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Topic: The Motorsport Thread (was the F1 thread)
Posted By: sleeper
Subject: The Motorsport Thread (was the F1 thread)
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 09:46
I'm sure you've all noticed that its March by now, and that means that the F1 season is about to start again! It kicks off this sunday in Melbourne, Australia with a 17 race season and finishes At Interlagos, Brazil in October. Looks like its going to be a close fight this year between McLaren and Ferrari, and if I was a betting man I would put money on Alonso getting a third title in a row.Cant wait to see how the British rokies Lewis Hamilton and Anthony Davidson get on as well. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 10:54
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neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww my impression of a F1 racing car ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 12:26
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Anyone know how I can catch the races here in the US? I know it used to be on SPEED but I don't have that in school......
Anyway, I have to agree with you. Alonso is going to take it, I think he'll be the next Schumacher.
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 12:35
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It's all on the news, papers, streetsides; This is going to be the best Formula 1 season ever, possibly only for the fact that we've got Räikkönen driving a Ferrari and Kovalainen driving Renault, which means there's a Finn in both leading manufacturers. The only problem is, they are making commercials, hypeing the season, everything, but they're not showing it. Or they are, but you have to pay. It used to be on national tv, now it's all digitalised and costs. Oh well, I would have liked to see how Kovalainen or Räikkönen does, but I'm so not going to pay for that privilege. they're killing all the big sports in our land, oh well, as long as the big guys get to fill their big purses.
I mean, let it die in lands that provided Häkkinen and Rosberg (or JJ. Lehto), the future is in the States where there's more money about. |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 12:36
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It would be nice to see Alonso winning this year as well, anyway i expect an exciting Season, Ferrari must fight for the title again, Raikonnen should take a major responsibility and that must be shown since the very first race. Hey JJ , is Letho a personal heroe for you? the last time i saw him was in the Rolex Daytona 24hrs. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 12:53
You could say that. When I decided to expand beyond NASCAR I watched F1 and Sports Cars, and that's where I saw JJ and thought, s**t that guy is amazing. One of the best drivers there have been, IMO.
And I do think Ferrari has a good chance for the title again.
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memowakeman wrote:Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 13:45
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I'd keep an eye on Massa this year as well, he's been going extremely well in testing this winter, he's had the legs on Raikkonen at least and Ferrari seems to have a slight car advantage going into the first race. As for Lehto, its a tragady that he doesnt have a full time contract in sports cars at the moment, he's one Flying Finn. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 13:48
no no no no no no .... I don't dislike the guy, but I am keen to see others beat him .... I concede there aren't many to chose from, other than the Ferrari guys ....
I remember watching JJ in F3 in '88 .... saw him upside down at the Bombhole at Snetterton after an over-ambitious move  .... but I remember telling people he would be world champion within 5 years and really believed he was that good .... he seemed all set for a top F1 drive the next year, then suddenly he was out of favour .... great shame |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 14:00
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Now that Schummy is out, the "enemy" is Alonso... I'll keep an eye on Massa, anyway, but I'm quite sure he'll end in 3rd with 2-3 victories, this year. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 14:42
Really is a shame, because I'm a big fan of Alonso.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 15:13
now that my true "enemy" Montoya is out for good, at last, and now that The Master will be at home watching over TV, I want Raikkonen to finally win it and make us all laugh with his sense of humour and make our hearts soften with his charisma.. ...no, really, I want Raikkonen to win. Alonso, I don't care for him. I hope his winning streak ends. ------------- 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 15:16
Yeah, now Montoya is running in the back of the NASCAR pack. Except when he wrecked my main man Scott Pruett for the win in Mexico ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 16:28
I was there , and saw it in the front of my eyes...actually all the people were happy with his victory, only a few of us were angry...it was a bad and foul play, even when Pruett was his team mate  ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Joolz
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 17:47
| hahaha .. .good old Montoya ... always did get the emotions going one way or another |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 19:48
He's a great driver indeed and I cheered for him the past year, but I wanna see a new guy there with the trophy! The "enemy" in this case is purely abstract...  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 23:31
Maybe a Brazilian one?   ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: March 14 2007 at 23:56
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Don't believe too much in Massa... I'm just waiting the arrival of 2 other guys, one is named Senna and the other Piquet. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 05:46
i thought it was an impression of a cat doing 150mph along a motorway....
seriously folks.........with Shumie no longer on the grid, great driver though he is, it will be interesting to see how things turn out this season! i'll be watching...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 15:20
Even more so than Dowsing Anemone with Brass Tongue, I think Montoya is the most overrated thing this side of the solar system... he only won in the Indy.. he didn't manage to prove anything in F1, and I know he will ultimately fail in tha atrocity of sport that is NASCAR... I dislike Montoya almost as much as I criticize DT... -------------
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 22:28
I dont know about Senna, he lacks a lot of experience to the other drivers as he never did karting (most people will have done as much as 1000 races in a kart before they step up to cars!), could cost him in th elong run. As for Piquet, hes damn fast and now a Renault test driver. Fisichella's replacment for next year maybe? ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 15 2007 at 22:54
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 13:26
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Just got the times from the Friday practice sessions: 1. MASSA Ferrari 1m27.353s 2. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m27.750s 3. HAMILTON McLaren 1m27.829s 4. FISICHELLA Renault 1m27.941s 5. HEIDFELD BMW 1m27.970s 6. WURZ Williams 1m27.981s 7. ALONSO Mclaren 1m28.040s 8. ROSBERG Williams 1m28.055s 9. KUBICA BMW 1m28.281s 10. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m28.495s 11. DAVIDSON Super Aguri 1m28.727s 12. TRULLI Toyota 1m28.921s 13. SATO Super Aguri 1m29.009s 14. BUTTON Honda 1m29.066s 15. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m29.542s 16. R SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m29.574s 17. WEBBER Red Bull 1m29.801s 18. KOVALAINEN Renault 1m30.097s 19. SPEED Toro Rosso 1m30.383s 20. SUTIL Spyker 1m31.108s 21. ALBERS Spyker 1m31.175s 22. LIUZZI Toro Rosso 1m31.693s Looks pretty close at the top, but Ferrari deifinitely have the edge. I've read both Renaults stoped on track with Fuel feed problems and Barichella crashed at turn 14. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 14:00
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...I cant believe I dont get SPEED at my dorms....Im gunna miss most of the races
At least I can catch this one.
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 14:08
ESPECIALLY when Pruett was his teammate. Im sur[rised Chip Ganassi didnt fire him on the spot, he was much faster than Pruett and could have easily passed him in a lap or two without costing Pruett 3 more positions like he did. Anyways, thats gonna be short lived. I have a feeling that he is doomed for failure on the oval tracks. ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 14:11
Lovin' the top of that leader board. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 14:12
That does suck.
Time to get some illegal cable.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 14:37
Ganassi fireing Montoya , not a chance!Montoya is a good oval driver, it'll just take him a little time to learn the ins-and-outs of NASCAR racing. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 14:39
His highest finish on an oval so far is 38th  ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 14:47
He was 19th at Daytona with a busted 'box, he was 3rd on his ARCA debut last year (after qualifying 2nd and leading for part of the race) and is the 99 Champ Car World Series champion (back when a third of the calander was ovals) and the 2000 Indy 500 winner, so far his only attempt. He knows how to drive ovals but its going to take him several races, at least, before he gets fully up to speed in the Nextel Cup. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 14:50
But don't forget that anybody and their brother can win in a Ganassi car. It will be an embarrassment if doesnt score an oval win this year, especially with all the hype around him. ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 15:07
I thought Ganassi were only a mid grid team in NASCAR, not one of the big name teams? ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 15:11
Certainly not a big name, but those boys know how to put a car together! ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 15:18
OK, I think we've come to about the end of my knowledge on NASCAR now, but I still reckon Montoya will get to the top at some point. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 15:39
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Wurz is back? And what on earth is Ralfy doing in a Toyota? Stick him in a Ferrari. -------------   
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 15:42
That's what Im thinking.
Ferrari on top eh? With Raikkonen and Massa, this year WILL be pretty interesting.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 15:43
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Put Schumy Jr. in a Ferrari and let's see what he can do, eh? He's not had the opportunity to prove himself really. Barrichello is a better driver than Ralf though, I believe. -------------
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 16:58
Montoya is not one of the best Oval drivers at all, he is not bad either, but anyway he could have better results in further races...
Those first practise times make me think that Ferrari is strong and want the team´s title this time.. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 16 2007 at 19:22
Ralf has had his chance at a title challenge and didnt even get close (in the Williams in 2003), were as Montoya would have won that year if engine failures hadnt cost him 2 wins.He's generally a quick driver but has far too many off days and is excruciatingly slow on them. He's in the Toyota because they pay him about £12 million a year (I think he;s the second highest payed driver behind Raikkonnen). Wurz did a damn good job in the Williams as third driver last year so replaces Weber for this year. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 07:35
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For those that havnt seen, here's the qualifying results: 1. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 2. ALONSO McLaren 3. HEIDFELD BMW 4. HAMILTON McLaren 5. KUBICA BMW 6. FISICHELLA Renault 7. WEBBER Red Bull 8. TRULLI Toyota 9. SCHUMACHER 10. SATO Super Aguri 12. ROSBERG Williams 13. KOVALAINEN Renault 14. BUTTON Honda 15. WURZ Williams 16. MASSA Ferrari 18. SPEED Toro Rosso 19. COULTHARD Red Bull 20. LIUZZI Toro Rosso 21. SUTIL Spyker I feel sorry for Massa, possibly the fastest car out there and his gearbox brakes on his fast lap in Q2. Great jobs from Hamilton and Sato though. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 11:36
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So Fernando will share the first row with Kimi, i think Alonso will win this first race...nice to see both BMW drivers within the top 5, though. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:45
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Kubica could have been higher but BMW messed up the last tyre change so he didnt get in his last run.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:51
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Tonight will be my last night home before I go back to school. F1 race in Australia, what a way to end it. I say Alonso will continue from last year and win! |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 17 2007 at 12:54
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Watch Massa, hes going to have to fight through from 16th, should make it interesting. Whatever happens I reckon its going to be a good race. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 00:09
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Lewis Hamilton??
Who is this guy?
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 00:24
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Lewis Hamilton is barely out of nappies (diapers), but he could be a new British protegé. He does go on about his ethnicity a bit too much though, as if it's special or something (I don't mean that in a racist way, obviously). Fair play to him.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 00:31
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Kimi Kimi Kimi At least Alonso managed second.
I'm impressed with Hamilton, whoever that is
and Massa getting 6th
Nice race
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 00:33
Great, great! Ferrari is back on top. And Raikkonen will get his chance! Oh, The Master should've stayed another year, then he'd have his 8th crown.... -------------
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 15:55
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Good race, really impressed by Hamilton (wasnt expecting him to challenge Alonso this early in the season). James, I havnt seen him talk much about his ethnicity, so it must be just the tabloids looking for something to ramble on about. JJ, Hamilton is the 2003 British Formula Renault champion, 2005 F3 Euroseries Champion and 2006 GP2 champion. Short of talent he is not. T, Schumy left because he was affraid of Kimi.  ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: N Ellingworth
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 16:08
I was, I've been keeping track of his career for the past few years and know how quick he is. |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 17:23
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Nice race, i am impressed with Hamilton as well, hopefully he will be consistent during the whole season, also Massa did a great job to finish 6th! ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 18:11
I know he's extremely quick, but it was his debut on a track he has never seen before, I wasnt expecting more than a decent haul of points, 4th or 5th. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Uroboros
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 18:29
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Although I have no possibility to watch the races this year, I'm still supporting Massa and hope there will be some kind of breakthrough for him this season. I'm not particularly fond of Raikkonen, but as long as Ferrari is going strong (and Massa with it) I'm not complaining. ------------- Tous les chemins qui s’ouvrent à moi ne mènent à rien si tu n’es plus là |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 19:14
Oh yeah, I forgot that this was going to be the FIRST year EVER that Schummy would've faced Kimi... yes, he had never beaten him before...
I think Kimi scared Schummy away... but with his overwhelming charisma... I mean, who can resist such an emotional rollercoaster as the "Heart-Man" Raikkonen is?
 I want Kimi to win anyway. But wouldn't it be good if he at last moved his jaw a little bit to try to fool everybody into believing he's smiling?? -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 20:44
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I really dont know what any of you are talking about.
Kimi is the most charismatic, exciting person I've seen...
I do like Raikkonen, but I have to go with my man Alonso. He will be the next MS.
I see it now, 8 titles!!!
And I would have loved to see Schumi and Kimi together on the same team. THAT would've been exciting.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 18 2007 at 21:12
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It must be something about Finnish drivers I don't like. Hakkinen didn't smile either. I also don't like Williams or McLaren that much for some odd reason. I do like Ferrari though. Andy: I saw an interview with Hamilton last year, he was talking about how he's following in the footsteps of other sportsman of his ethnicity, as if it was very important. He mentioned the Williams Sisters and Tiger Woods I believe. The problem I had at the time though, was that he had his history wrong, he forgets Arthur Ashe and Vijay Singh, who came before the Williams Sisters and Tiger Woods. Anyhow, this isn't important really. Ethnicity should have nothing to do with whether he can drive a car well or not. I do like him though, he seems very level headed and can drive exceptionally well. Goo d on him. No doubt the papers will go on about his ethnicity though. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 00:00
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I already like him. And yes, ethnicity should have nothing to do with it. As long as you can drive, that's all I care about.
I don't mean anything offensive by this but I'm wondering, has there been a black driver in F1 before? I've only watched for a few years so I don't know.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 02:10
I personally don`t remember any, and yesterday when i watched the Race in a Local Channel, the narrators said the same, that they didn`t remember any black driver before... ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 02:44
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I don't believe there has either, but it really shouldn't matter in any case, as we are all aware, of course. I just know he mentioned it in an interview I saw. I just hope they don't make a big deal of it all. -------------
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Posted By: N Ellingworth
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 04:31
The thing about Hamilton is that he's naturally quick and seeming not afraid to push a car to the edge (and beyond) even when he's not been round that track before. So given that this years Maclaren is very fast, a podium was a distinct possibility what I didn't expect was for him to be ahead of his team mate for most of the race. As for his move at the first corner that was a textbook GP2 move, I hope to see more of them throughout the year. |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 07:13
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I think that Raikkonen's performance just showed how if you put a good driver in a good reliable car then they will win. I have always felt that had he been Schumacher's team mate in previous years then Michael would have often been second. ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 09:39
I see your point, and after having seen last years GP2 sprint race in Turky, I can only hope that he keeps that combative style. Heavyfreight, expect to hear from The T sometime soon. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 12:34
Hm, I'm surprised by that. And YES I think we all know they will make a big deal about it. Even though they shouldn't.
Seems like the kind of thing the media just won't be able to let go. LikeDanica Patrick in Indy. But hey, what can you do?
I'll let the subject go now.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 19 2007 at 15:05
Had Pele been born in Ecuador, probably my country would have conquered at least a America's Cup... but that wasn't the case.... maybe had Alonso run in Toyota, he wouldn't have 2 crowns right now...
This doesn't matter anyway... In the future, the books will have maybe a chapter for Raikkonen (whom I like by the way and I root for this year, even though he's the True IceMan)... but there will be more pages devoted to the most successful driver ever....
As with DT, I'm not a Schumacher fanboy... I just think he was the best ever. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:13
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Oh dear, can't let this thread fade.
Well... The T, I agree with you on one part. The most successful driver. Best? That's a tough one. One of the best, but I don't know about all time.
I am biased though. I am not a fan of his.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:25
I am... So this is going nowhere... -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:37
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Ah drats... |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:38
| You know, as much as I enjoy this as a sport, I'd really like them to stop it, just because it stands for everything I despise. They go around the world with huge trucks spending enormous amounts of money in building cars and massive happenings. They give the drivers millions of dollars a month, with which they could easily do good in the world, instead they go around a circle pushing out more and more carbon dioxide into the air. Most producers put more money in this one car that isn't even recyclable than they put in enviroment friendly research alltogether. It's hideously capitalistic and ignorant and it really has nothing to do with honour or skill but basically money and more money. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 20 2007 at 22:14
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So which one is the sport that is environmental friendly? For sure racing (not only F1) may be the least environmental-friendly, but I don't know which one is the most. Also, which one is the sport that isn't about money? At least these people could die if they crash their cars... Here in USA they pay millions to football players whose only job is to stand like a wall and try to bring other players down to the ground, or to "sports man" that know how to hit a ball with a stick (or whatever name it has) so it entres a small hole in the recently-lawned grass... or in all the world, the pay millions to true football (sorry US, ) players to kick a ball around a 100 meter field... so please, which one is the honor/not-money-oriented sport? I just advise you to accept the fact that sports are the most overpaid activity in the world before you have a liver problem..... I'd love to have that money for art, for the environment, but it turns out I can't produce that money or I don't own the company that could give me that... Just remember that at least f1 (and all racing) teams have to give employment to hundreds of people, not all of those top-executives or top-paid... That's the way things are... Of course dreamers are the ones that manage to change stuff... But the dream (not The Dream, of course, you know, that obnoxious little band) has to be joined by coherent ideas, proposals...Instead of blaming F1 for environmental problems, let's all do our part, because that's in OUR power... f1 is NOT. And as I like the sport, I'm happy that it'sot.. for I would run it into the ground, the good financial expert I am.... -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 01:47
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We pay some people 25 million a year to hit a little white ball and run around in diamonds.
But I like watching that.
I also like watching people drive around in circles, (or road courses of course). It's true between NASCAR, F1, Indy, Cart, Sports Cars etc. think of how many millions and millions of gasoline are used up, the effects on the enviornment. And as T said, every sport is run on business. It is a businnes after all.
Point is, who cares because they're sports. I think its one of those things NOT to analyza just enjoy...without sports, and music, my life would be hell.
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 08:32
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It's not the sports part I'm on about. PLaying soccer at the local field with some maes and a little brother is sport, and is very much enjoyable. I'm just raging about the ignorance of people when it comes to cars. I for one would never buy a car, only for the matter that it doesn't do any good for anyone.
My point is like in fishing contests, where people fish and the one that gets the biggest one wins, and the fish areleftto die or fed to dogs. The whole thing is immoral, and even though it is interesting, I don't like the ethics involved. They're crooked. hypocrite even. In EU we made an agreement to reduce pollution up to 20% within the area. Cars alone make 20% of my country's pollution, but people are saying if one stops it, what's it worth, and we have these spectator sports that encourage to it. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 12:36
I'll start with the enviromental part first. Its true that race cars arent exactly the most economical vehicels around (top line sports cars and single seaters, and presumably stock cars, all run at about 2-5 mpg) but the entire grid of the F1 world championship uses less fuel in a whole season of racing than a single transatlantic flight. When you comparisons like this motorsport seems a whole lot less wastful. A few weeks ago I saw a program on the UK's Channel 4 called "The Great Global Warming Swindal". It was very convincing in proving that the increase of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere is a byproduct, and not the cause of, global warming, which is drivin by the fluctuations in the suns magnetic field (or so it appears). Now I'm not saying that its a good idea to have all these exhaust fumes pouring into the atmosphere as there is probably more harmful chemichals in them than CO2 (and these goes for everything, not just cars). I must admit I dont know how much of a race car is recyclable, something to research there. Also, since you mentioned Carbon dioxide, you should know that F1 has been carbon neutral since 1997. The FIA has been buying these carbon shares since '97, covering not just the racing but the truck transports, air freight and the long distance flights off the personell. Whether or not you agree with the evidence for or against man-made blobal warming, the FIA has been spending a lot of money on enviromentally friendly projects and this has too be a good thing. I wont bother trying to justify the high salaries of the front line drivers ( I garante that there arent that many drivers that earn a lot of money) because it gets a bit exceesive, but remember that some of them, especially from countries without much motorsport history, get a hell of a lot of money from personel sponsorship and merchandising. I'm guessing that if your a fan of Formula 1 or not a "hard core" fan like I am, so I'm also guessing that you dont know about the fact that the FIA are currently working on a set of regulations, to be implemented in steps from the start of 2009 (at least thats what they hope), that will make use of energy recovery systems. Effectively these systems would would be used to recapture, for instance, the braking force and use it to assist acceleration on corner exit, meaning that the cars go faster. Now obviously this is a sport were the name of the game is to go faster, so dont expect it to get a whole lot more economical with these systems, they'll doing more with the same amount of fuel. But, many of the major manufacturers will have developed these systems to a very high level, and they can then be engineered into the road cars so that they go just as fast on less (in theory at least). Finally, skill has everything to do with the outcome of races. Granted, you need money to get anywere but that doesnt automatically mean that the richest team wins. Toyota has a stupidly large budget (reportedly in the region of £340 million per year), but gets absolutelly no were near the front as its too conservative both in design and managment to get there (IMO). Renault has a much smaller budget than Toyot (by maybe more than £100 million per year), and smaller than all of its nearest rivals, yet for the last 2 years has made better use of the skills of the people within the team than all of its better funded competitors. Driver skill is the final ingrediant. A good driver will always be able to get good results out of a good car, but a great driver will be able to go the extra mile. Alonso and Schumacher were fighting for the title last year and not Fisichella and Massa because they are better drivers, there skill put them ahead of their team mates more often than not. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Cheesebaron
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 15:56
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Ok i have to say this. If it wasnt that Senna died, he would not have allowed Schumi to get all those championships. I wish he never died. He was such a good driver. It is going to be a quite exciting season with Alonso driving in a McLaren and Kimi in a Ferrari. Definately going to be a close race between them - and maybe Massa. ------------- E = mc^2 <-- that is some serious sh*t |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 18:05
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Does anyone know: Has someone ever won all 4 of "the big" races?
Daytona 500, Indy 500, Monaco Grand Prix, 24 hrs of LeMans
My guess is, if anyone did it was Mario Andretti
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 18:23
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Yes, Mario Andretti won all 4 big races...i will ask to my boss who knows much more about it than me, im afraid that also A.J. Foyt made it ...dont know really... ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 18:41
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As far as I know, no one has. Mario Andretti has come closest, I believe, but he hasnt wone Le Mans (best result of 3rd)
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 21 2007 at 23:46
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Damn, my mistake, i thought Mario had won them all...he won 3 times 12hrs of Sebring... i wasn`t that far with A.J. Foyt, he won Indy 500, Daytona 500 and Le Mans ...also Daytona 24 hrs ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 22 2007 at 00:20
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Interesting.
Well.....I doubt anyone will do it anytime soon.
Although...........A Monaco Grand Prix, Indy 500
In NASCAR now
MONTOYA! He'll do it I bet
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 22 2007 at 10:44
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Jacques Viellnueve is in with a chance of doing Indy, F1 world championship and Le Mans this year, he's driving the new Peugeot 908.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 23 2007 at 22:32
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Saw this on youtube...so I'm not very trusting of it, but: Was Michael Schumacher doing fist pumps, and celebrating on the podium, after the race in which Ayrton Senna and Ronald Ratzenberger died??
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 24 2007 at 16:28
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I dont think so, the drivers were told of what had happened to Senna after the race and before the podium, I doubt any of them would have been celebrating.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 12:10
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The thread dies again! Noooo.......... So, anyone think theres ANY chance of someone breaking Schumi's records? Or will they stand forver?
My guess is, Alonso has the best chance, with 2 titles and a lot of years ahead of him.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 13:23
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Alonso has the best chance as you said, but i think Schumi´s records will stay forever definitely (hope i am wrong, it would be great to see someone breaking them)
On the other hand, guys yesterday was the A1 GP in México City, nice race but what made me happy, was that i saw and took a couple of photos with Emerson Fittipaldi , that realy made me happy yesterday after having seen Salvador Durán finishing in the last place  ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 13:31
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I dont see anyone beating schumi's records, Alonso has said he doesnt want to stick around that long. Memo, how did Oliver Jarvis do in Mexico, and who won? ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 13:39
Guess who made an excellent race and won?
I also took a couple of photos with him carrying his medal
The USA driver never reached Jarvis afte the pits stop. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 13:42
About bloody time, Team UK has only been second in about every A1 race since the series started in 04. Wish I could get to Brands Hatch for the final. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 26 2007 at 13:53
UK team could reach the 2nd place at the end of the season, they are just behind Germany (future champions) and New Zealand, these are the standings after Mexico City´s race:
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 05 2007 at 22:52
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Malaysia is almost here!
I won't be able to watch the race...
It's OK though.
Alonso all the way!
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: April 06 2007 at 09:20
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That it is, speaking of which, here are the friday practice times: 1. 2. FISICHELLA Renault 1m35.910s 3. KOVALAINEN Renault 1m36.106s 4. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m36.160s 5. ROSBERG Williams 1m36.523s 6. WURZ Williams 1m36.621s 7. KUBICA BMW 1m36.717s 8. SCHUMACHER 9. 10. HEIDFELD BMW 1m36.862s 11. WEBBER Red Bull 1m36.906s 12. ALONSO McLaren 1m37.041s 13. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m37.203s 14. SATO Super Aguri 1m37.282s 15. BUTTON Honda 1m37.578s 16. TRULLI 17. LIUZZI Toro Rosso 1m37.855s 18. DAVIDSON Super Aguri 1m38.334s 19. SUTIL Spyker 1m38.419s 20. SPEED Toro Rosso 1m38.650s 21. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m38.713s 22. ALBERS Spyker 1m39.807s ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 01:04
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And this the final practice session before Qualifications, Bravo for Hamilton he also made the best Lap in all the 3 sessions:
I honestly expect a great race, let`s wait first for the qualification session. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:39
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Final grid... Massa finally got his pole. Let's see him during the race, it's not enough to be fast, he must be smart.
Largada
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 08:54
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Massa!
Rosberg in 6th...hmmm not bad.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 11:25
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Ferrari vs McLaren at the top, interesting race for sure! I am also interested to see if both BMW drivers can manage to finish in the points positions. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 13:40
Alex Wurz in 20th Tomorrows race looks like its going to be a good one. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 21:05
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I can't believe I won't be able to see it.
I REALLY like this track too.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 21:23
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Massa getting the poll doesn't mean much, it still means that Alonso might just win it.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 07 2007 at 22:27
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on the F1DB I bet 100 of my "points" on Hekki Kovalainen He IS in a McLaren and if he wins......thats 2500 points for me!Being under 21...that's he extent of my betting.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 00:39
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1-2 for McLaren which puts them at the top of the classification, this time Renault wont have any chance:
And the drivers:
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 09:43
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The wiser guy won in Malaysia... maybe a trichamp for Alonso! ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 15:18
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Really disappointed in the Ferraris, Massa drove like he did in his first year and Raikkonen didnt seem to want to attack Hamilton, who drove superbly.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: April 08 2007 at 17:34
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Alonso!!!
After all that bitching about missing the race...our hotel has speed!! I somehow caught a reply of the race.
Well, I am glad with the outcome. My fav. 2 drivers got 1st and 2nd, and Kovalainen made the points! And also that Hamilton is damn impressive.
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