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Points: 1697 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2009 at 12:59
getting huge into math rock. i really like the more aggressive stuff, or i guess not aggressive just more angular or 'heavy' - hella's hold your horse is comes to mind. also like piglet a LOT.

 am getting tired of the cutesy, pretty/polite mathy stuff like American don (still like it) or Pele.

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^ punkier math rock i guess. 
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Folks, the new Baroness is called Blue Record, not Album.
 
Nice selections for your sig, Mike. Can't say I can think of any great aggressive math rock off the top of my head, though. You might check out Marnie Stern. Zach Hill drums for her. She's got punky sounds and dissonance but she also bears a certain melodicism.
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2009 at 14:38
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Dominic Dominic wrote:


Anyways, when a power trio losses a member, it's pretty much like losing half the band.


Weird. I would've said a third of the band.

No pre-1980 music here.


Hapless goof, the death of music occurs in 1989, not 1980.
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Points: 3839 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2009 at 15:45
Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Folks, the new Baroness is called Blue Record, not Album.
 
 
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Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

^ punkier math rock i guess. 
 
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I wouldn't actually ever qualify them as a 'prog' math-rock band, since they're not overtly technical like Hella, et al... Just very very angular and in-your-face.
 
Or maybe they're too punk?
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Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

Folks, the new Baroness is called Blue Record, not Album.
 
Nice selections for your sig, Mike. Can't say I can think of any great aggressive math rock off the top of my head, though. You might check out Marnie Stern. Zach Hill drums for her. She's got punky sounds and dissonance but she also bears a certain melodicism.


thanks LOL its just my last 7 days albums from last.fm i think.

marnie stern is pretty good, listening right now. indie math if there is such a thing. its quirky.
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Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

^ punkier math rock i guess. 
 
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I wouldn't actually ever qualify them as a 'prog' math-rock band, since they're not overtly technical like Hella, et al... Just very very angular and in-your-face.
 
Or maybe they're too punk?
i saw Shellac live once..and i wouldn't call them prog..err i know maybe some noise rock or something..steve albini is a genious i can say that. 
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Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

^ punkier math rock i guess. 
 
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I can agree with this.

I'd like to add "Lebanon" to the mix. Especially for a Piglet fan. Checking out "The Shy Trafficker" wouldn't be a band venture as well. (if you haven't already of course Big smile )
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Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Dominic Dominic wrote:


Anyways, when a power trio losses a member, it's pretty much like losing half the band.


Weird. I would've said a third of the band.

No pre-1980 music here.


Hapless goof, the death of music occurs in 1989, not 1980.
DON'T SPAM THIS THREAD. GO SOMEWHERE ELSE .. YOU DON'T BELONG HERE ..MUSIC HERE IS CREATED AFTER 89' .. 
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Points: 6890 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2009 at 22:28
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Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

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Speaking of Isis, I've been on a massive Isis kick lately.
Honestly, Wavering Radiant is holding as much weight as the first few times I've heard it, it's down to about an 8/10 for me now.
I've found for me personally, nothing from their catalogue has more staying power than Oceanic. I found myself unable to get sick of it, but I can't listen to Panopticon as often.
 
Interesting, Wavering Radiant has held it's weight, and even gained some. I may eventually rate it 10/10 (as opposed to its current 9.5). I think the band really hit their sonic stride here. The tones of every instrument on this one are simply incredible. That combined with the great songwriting & performing, replete with some of the band's sweetest grooves and hooks, makes it their best for me. I would say that Oceanic, Panopticon and In the Absence of Truth are all 9+/10 albums though.


Woops, isn't holding as much weight it should have said, but I imagine you realized that was a typo.
Anyway, yeah, hmmm 'band's sweetest grooves' Hmmm, I don't think a lot of post metal nor post rock has groove at all. 
It has a type of rhythm, but does it really groove in the true sense, like say, Rage Against the Machine, Pantera or Meshuggah? I don't think it really does.
This is not a bad thing at all , because it's a different sound altogether. Often the rhythms in a lot of post metal are very straight and completely lack the kinda swing (or whatever the word is) in RATM or Red Hot Chilli Peppers or something like that.
Well, maybe some of the riffs/rhythmic patterns in Isis' stuff is the exception, but generally it's all very 'straight' rhythmically, which I think works anyway in the context.
 
Not a lot of post-metal grooves, but around In the Absence of Truth Isis started bringing a groove element into their music. Not in the sense of Rage, Pantera or Meshuggah, but more like Tool. And it's only Isis who does this. Many sections of "Ghost Key," for instance, I would consider groovy. The drummer is playing a propulsive syncopated pattern that makes me want to bob my head and swing back and forth and such. There, the bassist is playing sometimes playing ambient lines over the top and otherwise is driving the rhythm along with the drummer. Or how about the part about 1:50 into "Not in Rivers, but in Drops." You can't tell me the drummer and bass player aren't locked into a groove.
 
The grooves aren't the foreground of the music like in the music you listed, but it's the rhythmic foundation for all the riffage and spaciness of the guitars and keys. It's Isis' own implementation of grooves. The band clearly has a stronger sense of rhythm and is more diverse rhythmically than their peers. [Not to put them down, because they're all great bands, but] Cult of Luna's rhythms are characterized by a throbbing, pulsing, pounding drive, Neurosis's rhythm work is a mix of tribal-tinged tom beats and simple but really heavy, driving rhythms (obviously many bands have been influenced by their elements - Isis and Minsk like those tom beats, Minsk also being very tribal and Cult of Luna likes that drive - but each have put their own spins on them) and so on.


Actually yeah you're kinda right I guess. I think you're post definitely capped off what I was trying to convey, that kinda less foreground type of groove. Actually come to think of it, I noticed something about how CoL was a bit more straight forward pounding and of course, as you said, it's not a bad thing.
I haven't heard In the Absence in ages though, I'm more about Oceanic and Panopticon these days, need to give Absence a whirl again.
CoL always struck me as something a bit darker than Isis so it makes sense it's more pounding, whereas while Isis is dark, it also has this kinda surreal, ethereal kinda feel to it.

 
I dont know, if I had the energy, I bet I could find some groovier post metal bands. The obvious ones IMO are the ocean for their hardcore influences, and obvious use of seriously groovy breakdows i.e. the song Swoon. The other is Cult of Luna, listen to the songs waiting for you and Dim. The climaxes of those two songs are pretty undeniably groovy.
 
I agree that Isis do incorporate some grooves into their music, songs such as Weight, In Fiction, Altered course, and Ghost key are exceptionally groovy.
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Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:


marnie stern is pretty good, listening right now. indie math if there is such a thing. its quirky.
I thought the new album wasn't quirky enough. I had the urge for more Zach Hill, and while I don't really regeret it because it was an eMusic download, I didn't think it would be so poppy. Still a fun album though, good for when I'm tired of shouting like a Japanese girl with OOIOO and Melt-Banana and want to shout like an American girl. ;-) You actually might like Melt-Banana, it's certainly loud enough.
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I just got a melt banana album, but I haven't listened yet. 

Only things I've felt like listening to recently besides a track or two are Katy Perry and David Bowie.


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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:


marnie stern is pretty good, listening right now. indie math if there is such a thing. its quirky.
I thought the new album wasn't quirky enough. I had the urge for more Zach Hill, and while I don't really regeret it because it was an eMusic download, I didn't think it would be so poppy. Still a fun album though, good for when I'm tired of shouting like a Japanese girl with OOIOO and Melt-Banana and want to shout like an American girl. ;-) You actually might like Melt-Banana, it's certainly loud enough.
 
I rather liked the new one. I like that it was poppier. It retained the quirks and noisiness but was wholly catchy, enjoyable and memorable.
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Melt-Banana is quite badass, just throwing that out there.
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Originally posted by angelmk angelmk wrote:

Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

^ punkier math rock i guess. 
 
SHELLAC. Star
 
I wouldn't actually ever qualify them as a 'prog' math-rock band, since they're not overtly technical like Hella, et al... Just very very angular and in-your-face.
 
Or maybe they're too punk?
i saw Shellac live once..and i wouldn't call them prog..err i know maybe some noise rock or something..steve albini is a genious i can say that. 
 
Oh! This reminds me: The Jesus Lizard. An aggressive, in-your-face, angular sound and stuff.
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I have seen Shellac live as well!  I would call them Math Rock for sure.  They sort of took the Slint sound (and of course Big Black) and went with it. 

Jesus Lizard is a personal favorite!  definitely solid, solid musicians there.  Super aggro and mathy, yet jazzy at the same time (the guitars... HELLO?).  Awesome band!  I recommend you look into them if you have not yet.

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Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Melt-Banana


I actually got to see them live when they were on tour with "Tool" some years back. Their guitar player was pretty darn talented and their bass player was some bad ass little chick with the tinniest fingers i've ever seen shred on a bass guitar, but unfortunately all i could hear coming out of the speakers was a mess of distortion and spastic shouting. I could only describe it as the musical equivalent of an artist who splatters different colors of paint on a canvas just to see what he or she could come up with.
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I wouldn't call Shellac math rock...whoever said noise rock is more in the ballpark.
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Originally posted by Chris H Chris H wrote:

I wouldn't call Shellac math rock...whoever said noise rock is more in the ballpark.


Without trying to illicit an unwarranted flame match, I understand Shellac to be one of the purveyors and godfathers of modern Math Rock.  If you listen to tracks off of any of their albums, there is a fairly obvious timing methodology that clearly hints at the staples/mainstays of Math Rock (at least as I understand them).  Yes, there are elements of Noise Rock..... But pure noise rock would be more like Nurse With Wound or Throbbing Gristle, at which point you bleed over into Industrial/experimental/IDM.  You see, there never is ONE genre that always neatly fits any given band into it.... that said, I would still call Shellac Math Rock....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shellac_(band)

Even though we all know Wikipedia is not necessarily reliable, or even a good source to quote, this definition marries both of our ideas.  I would however lean more towards Math Rock....

http://www.epitonic.com/index.jsp?refer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epitonic.com%2Fgenres%2Fmathrock.html


yeah, I get it, you will probably retort something to the effect of:  "well anyone can get sources online to back their opinion."   I just did.   It backs my opinion and gives it more credit as a fact-leaning statement.









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