Forum Home Forum Home > Topics not related to music > General Polls
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Who is your favourite revolutionary?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedWho is your favourite revolutionary?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 222324
Poll Question: Who is your favourite revolutionary?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
3 [8.33%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [5.56%]
3 [8.33%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [2.78%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [5.56%]
1 [2.78%]
1 [2.78%]
0 [0.00%]
17 [47.22%]
6 [16.67%]
This topic is closed, no new votes accepted

Author
Message
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 18:44
Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by twseel twseel wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's the language barrier... I myself didn't realize either that street walker could mean anything other than someone just walking on the street.
I doubt it, but if Svetonio needs an escape route then so be it.
Now you don't need to go around making it any easier for yourself, you can see he's already mixed up claustrophobia and xenophobia here and he often mixes up 'has' and 'does'. Not letting him off the hook in the few times he actually tried to do right is partly what made him go so berserk. 
Nope.
What?
Back to Top
Svetonio View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 20 2010
Location: Serbia
Status: Offline
Points: 10213
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2015 at 01:44
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

]A country, whatever it is economically and millitary strong, made of the immigrants with the growing xenophobia by the old immigrants who are against the new immigrants, aside of Native Americans who are supporters of the new ones (and aside of the other kinds of fears), with very powerful the right-wingers who encouraged all that xenophobia, that country have a serious problem. And as that country is big and politically and economicaly deeply involved everywhere on the planet, then the whole world have a problem.

(...)

Here in Perú we are not xenophobic, but things have reached a limit, since Humala (COMMUNIST) was elected, he opened the door to Cuban medical doctors who are taking all the best paid jobs in the government with a salary between US$ 5,000.00 and US$ 10,000.00 a month, while peruvian doctors had to make a strike because they are paid less than US$ 300.00 a month in public hospitals.

(...)
I presume that the private hospitals in your country employed the Cuban doctors and give them that money because the managements / owners of the private hospitals probably just thought that the doctors from Cuba are far better than Peruvian doctors due to the fact that Cuba through decades was investing a lot in medical care in general, and Cuba really builded that as a brand, and consenquently, Cuban doctors have a bigger salaries in Peruvian private hospiotals than Peruvian doctors who are working in state-owned hospitals; but that's one of those beautiful things of Capitalismo, isn't? It's hardly to believe that the salaries could be so different for Cubans and Peruvian doctors if they are both are working for the ministry of health i.e. not in the private clinics.
 
Peruvian private hospitals don't hire Cuban doctors, their medicine is 20 years behind our's, I spoke about PUBLIC sector.


Do you know how to read?

The Universidad Peruana Cayetano Heredia is in the top 60 in latin America and it isn't higher because they only teach medicine (The more programs you have, the higher you are in the ranking), Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos is even better in the ranking (Even when not as good as Cayetano Heredia, but has 20 careers).

La Habana is in place 83

Peruvian doctors study 9 years against 4 in Cuba.

Cuban medicine is a DISGRACE, nobody told me, I was there, I broke a tooth in La Habana and the dental center was a pig's den, they didn't even cleaned the instruments, I had to pay US$ 60.00 for just a bit of cement, (They didn't even had porcelain), because I refused invasive treatment, in a room with 40 persons waiting around you.

Cuban doctors can't participate in operations or prescribe medicines in Perú, the 20 that took the test failed ALL OF THEM.

The only places where they are hired is as advisors in the PUBLIC SYSTEM, because the President is paying Venezuela for the money he received from Chavez during his campaign, helping them with the Cubans they maintain.
 
 
Quote

400 more Cuban-trained Peruvian doctors graduate

Over 400 Peruvian doctors who  graduated in Cuba will return to their country in the coming months, as an expression of bilateral cooperation, said the head of the Institute of Health Services Management and former Minister of Public Health, Oscar Ugarte.

The Peruvian official stressed that the doctors were trained in the Caribbean nation without costing anything to Peru and previously 2,000 graduated there in the same condition.

Ugarte made the reference when highlighting the importance of Cuban cooperation in health, in a report on the work of 42 Cuban medical professionals who recently arrived with outstanding professional qualifications.

Ugarte recalled that the Cuban collaboration is part of a bilateral agreement signed in 1999 and explained that the new group of doctors in the country will provide technical assistance in areas that the country needs strengthening, as specialization in transplants.

The senior official recalled that in 2007 a brigade of Cuban doctors came to Peru to assist the victims of an earthquake that struck the southern region of Ica and spent three years. In 1991 and 1992 another came to fight cholera epidemic.

Cuban health care dates back to 1970, when a brigade came to meet the victims of a major earthquake in the northern region of Ancash.

Source: Return of 400 Peruvian Doctors Graduated in Cuba

Related articles

 
https://youthandeldersja.wordpress.com/2014/04/12/400-more-cuban-trained-peruvian-doctors-graduate/
 
 
 
 
Quote

A Policlínico and Consultorio in Pisco, Peru

On August 15, 2007, my daughter, Rebecca Fitz and her partner, Ivan Angulo Torres, were vacationing in Arequipa, Peru. At 6:40 PM a level eight earthquake hit the town of Pisco in Ica province of Peru. Rebecca went back to Lima, but Ivan had just completed his fourth year at the Latin American School of Medicine in Havana (ELAM, Escuela Latinoamericana de Medicina) and went to Pisco to help.4

Soon, reports would show that over 500 Peruvians died, another 1,042 were injured, and over 100,000 were left homeless.5 The first international relief to arrive was the Henry Reeve Brigade from Cuba. (Cuba’s first response teams for international disasters are named after Reeve, a New Yorker who joined the Cuban fight for independence and was killed in battle in 1876.6) The Brigade comes complete with medicines, medical equipment (including autoclaves for sterilization), and tents for examinations and surgery.

Finding the Cuban doctors well-organized to deal with the disaster, Ivan and other ELAM medical students devoted themselves to documenting the Brigade’s work. The resulting twelve-and-a-half-minute movie, Nuestra Misión (Our Mission), shows remnants of the poorly constructed homes which crumbled from the quake and the makeshift thatched homes that replaced them. Many initial injuries were followed within a week by pneumonia deaths from the cold weather. The emergency tent hospital of the Cuban doctors housed 1,980 operations, ran 30,734 diagnostic tests, and performed 151,454 therapeutic treatments. Help only arrived from the Peruvian government when press cameras were rolling.7

As the response to the earthquake subsided, the Cuban doctors transformed the emergency tent hospital into the Pisco policlínico, which has medical exam rooms, a birthing room, recovery room, and outpatient operating rooms. By far, the rooms most in demand at thepoliclínico are for adult and child physical therapy. Three years later people were still suffering effects of the earthquake. When I visited the Pisco policlínico in 2010, its director, Leopoldo García Mejias, explained that then-President Alan García did not want any more Cuban doctors and that they had to keep quiet in order to stay in Peru. As is typical for Cuban medical directors, Leopoldo has multiple international experiences, his first being in Honduras after Hurricane Mitch in 1998.8

Unlike in Cuba, health care at the policlínico is not free. It collects about 80,000 soles per year from patients, which it turns over to the Peruvian government for improvements.9 But the improvements were not always forthcoming, which forced discussions with the Alan García administration. By 2010 everyone knew that 200 or so Cuban doctors were in Peru, making it possible for the policlínico to garner public support. Clearly, sustaining a health center is as much a political as a medical happening.

Backing is also likely to come from Peruvians who visit a neighborhood consultorio. Peruvian doctors trained in Cuba have set up three consultorios in Pisco, each with assistance from a nurse completing the last year of nursing school. Dr. Johnny Carrillo Prada and Dr. María Concepción Paredes Huacoto helped set up the Consultorio No. 2 in Pisco. They are Peruvians who received medical degrees at Cuba’s ELAM, which offers a rigorous six-year course of study for free to students who must pledge to provide care for impoverished communities.10

Johnny and María explained that the Peruvian health care system is not socialized medicine. For those who work, Peruvian social security takes money out of their paycheck for national health care, which has limitations such as covering only two visits per month and only covering the “primary” illness for those with multiple health problems. A different system offers insurance to the poor and provides even less coverage.

The consultorio must work within the framework of limited potential for reimbursement while attempting to see everyone who comes through the door. Consultorio No. 2 serves about 180 families which each pay one sol per month.

The backbone of the Cuban system of medicina general integral (MGI, which translates as “comprehensive general medicine”) is preventive community health care, with the consultorioas its building block. The doctor-nurse team live at (or near) the consultorio where they work, so they are part of the community. Cuban policlínicos assist thirty to forty consultorios by providing services during off-hours and offering a wide variety of specialists. They coordinate community health programs and are a conduit between nationally designed health initiatives and their local implementation. In contrast, the Pisco policlínico provides a much smaller array of services than would one in Cuba, not only because it has a smaller staff and is linking fewer consultorios, but also because it is not part of a policy of free health care.

There are other challenges to applying an MGI model in Peru. Cuban-trained doctors make home visits to everyone in the consultorio area. But in low-income areas of Peru the only official-looking persons to come to the front door are cops. So medical staff have had to explain the central role of home visits.

Since the country is also rife with scam artists, Peruvians were skeptical of a consultorioproviding almost-free anything, especially something as vital as medical care. In order to establish rapport with the neighborhood, the doctors had to work through businesses and schools where they could distribute health materials and provide physical exams.

Perhaps the largest challenge has been education. The Cuban Revolution saw equality in employment, income, education, and medical care as proceeding together. The foundations of Cuban medical accomplishments are a primary care system that prioritizes prevention and scientific research scrutinizing population health needs. Thus, wiping out illiteracy has been vitally important to Cuban medical accomplishments. This makes it difficult to bring the model to a country where many cannot read and write.

One problem that Cuban-trained doctors have not had in Peru is a highly mobile population. In the United States, poverty often accompanies moving from home to home, which would make it very difficult to apply a model which assumes the doctor personally knows everyone in the community. In Pisco, however, even the poor tend to stay in the same home.Consultorio doctors are able to know their patients.

When Cuban doctors prepare to join a health brigade to another country, they learn to respect its culture rather than impose their social values. Without this approach, Cuban medical efforts in Peru never would have succeeded. The Cuban doctor has to simultaneously practice medicine and adapt to a different society.

The Alan García government, in power from before the earthquake through the first half of 2011, merely tolerated Cuban medical efforts. A few days before being sworn in as the new President of Peru, Ollanta Humala visited Cuban leaders in Havana. During his July 28, 2011, inauguration, Humala pledged to eliminate “exclusion and poverty,” which suggests closer collaboration between Cuban and Peruvian medical systems.11

http://monthlyreview.org/2012/09/01/cuba-the-new-global-medicine/

 
Quote

General health care in Peru

Peru is a country which has only recently developed an export sector which has thankfully led to an increase in support for the Peruvian currency thereby allowing the authorities to pay down significant debt built up over the years and also invest into the country’s infrastructure. It is easy to forget that Peru is a country where 20% of the population effectively control 54% of the national income and 50% of the population live in poverty while 20% are below the official poverty line. This is a country where general medical healthcare has been difficult to provide and in many areas of the country has been non-existent in the past.

When you consider that the average life expectancy in Peru is around 68 years this may not seem too bad for a country which had a life expectancy of under 50 only 20 years ago, however the situation is very different across Peru. The difference between life expectancy in any two areas of Peru can be as much as 20 years which perfectly illustrates how the rich in the country have access to better health care in Peru than those on lower income and in poverty. So what exactly is available for those with income and those in poverty?

Public health care in Peru

Since the beginning of the 1990s there has been a significant improvement in general health care in Peru and many areas of the country often ignored in the past are now well and truly on the radar of the Peruvian authorities. It is now the intention of the Peru government to introduce a better standard of health care in Peru which covers the length and breadth of the country and takes in those at the higher end and the lower end of the income scale. However, this public health care system in Peru has not always gone to plan and a number of third parties have become involved to try and assist and speed up the introduction of better quality services – especially to the poorer groups of the population.

The Peru healthcare system has seen a massive reorganisation of local healthcare services and the US humanitarian agency has been involved in the roll-out of this system for many years. This is an agency which covers a great number of developed and underdeveloped nations around the world which are crying out for better healthcare and better systems. Thankfully the Peru government has had the foresight to bring in the US humanitarian agency both for financial and practical assistance.

The government operates a system for those in poverty although treatment is dependent upon certification by a social worker otherwise the person involved will need to obtain their own healthcare via some form of insurance.

Private health care in Peru

When the Peruvian Social Security system effectively collapsed in the 1990s this brought about a major change in the way in which healthcare was delivered in Peru with the government forcing those in the private sector to take out their own health insurance. Indeed there is also a health insurance system for the public sector for those who can afford it and the authorities continue to focus their own specific funds on the low-income and poverty stricken areas of the country. So what can you expect from private healthcare insurance in Peru?

Firstly it is worth remembering that Peru is still a developing nation and as such even the private health insurance sector is relatively undeveloped and you will not always obtain the correct medicine at the correct time. However, it is also worth remembering that there has been massive progress over the last 20 years and more and more overseas healthcare companies are now targeting Peru as a potential source of significant income and significant profit in the future. As the economy continues to expand, thereby attracting more and more overseas businesses and expats to the country, the need for quality private healthcare insurance services will grow and the standard of service delivered will continue to improve.

If you’re looking to move to Peru, either with work or as a new homeland, it is highly advisable to look towards private healthcare insurance because even if you were to strictly speaking qualify for free healthcare in Peru, the government and the local authorities will always put the Peruvian population first.

National health policies and plans

There has been a definitive split in the healthcare service of Peru with those unable to pay offered free medical treatment and those in the public and private sector, who have significant income, effectively forced to take out their own private healthcare insurance. Indeed companies operating in Peru also have an obligation to contribute to the costs of healthcare with some of these funds used to finance the free public healthcare service.

Until the disparity between wealth and poverty in Peru is addressed, something which could take many years, it is likely that those who can afford to pay for private healthcare insurance will be ushered down this particular route by the Peruvian authorities. However, despite the fact that the private healthcare sector in Peru is “not as good as it could be” at the moment, there is no doubt there is scope for improvement as more and more overseas companies enter the market.

Expats in Peru

Expats in Peru need to be fully aware of the healthcare situation in the country and the very fact that government funding is highly focused upon those in poverty and the more rural areas of Peru. As a consequence, if you have wealth and you have income in Peru then you are unlikely to qualify for free medical healthcare and will need to take out private healthcare insurance as soon as possible. However, you must also be aware that some specific treatments and illnesses may not be covered by private healthcare insurance therefore you should look at the fine print before signing any documentation.

In simple terms you should in theory forget about public healthcare in Peru and instead look towards private healthcare insurance for accidents, medical treatment and medicines. The cost of private healthcare insurance in Peru will also vary widely depending upon which companies you look towards and the level of cover you require. If you are employed by a company in Peru then you should also look towards the corporate end of the healthcare market and see whether any workforce insurance is available.

http://www.gringos.com/peru/health-care-in-peru.html

 
Quote

HAVANA TIMES — The presence of a group of Cuban doctors in Peru, where they allegedly practice without the necessary permits, has generated an outcry from local physicians, reported EFE.

The dean of the Medical College of Peru, Cesar Palomino, came out against this presence, while the doctors of the Social Security system stated that the issue would be among the demands in a strike called for May 13.

The head of the Institute of Health Services Management in the Ministry of Health, Oscar Ugarte, confirmed that in the country there are 42 Cuban health specialists, and each will receive about $1,785 dollars in total for lodging, food, transportation, life insurance and health care.

The Fujimori parliamentary group submitted a request to question the ministers of Health, Midori de Habich and Labor, Ana Jara on the subject.

For his part, the chairman of the Health Committee of Congress, Joaquín Ramírez, said “We see no logical justification for these doctors to have a salary and a long list of benefits that any doctor Peru would have.”

 
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=102940


Edited by Svetonio - September 25 2015 at 01:52
Back to Top
Ivan_Melgar_M View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19535
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2015 at 12:17
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

400 more Cuban-trained Peruvian doctors graduate

Over 400 Peruvian doctors who  graduated in Cuba will return to their country in the coming months, as an expression of bilateral cooperation, said the head of the Institute of Health Services Management and former Minister of Public Health, Oscar Ugarte.

The Peruvian official stressed that the doctors were trained in the Caribbean nation without costing anything to Peru and previously 2,000 graduated there in the same condition.

Ugarte made the reference when highlighting the importance of Cuban cooperation in health, in a report on the work of 42 Cuban medical professionals who recently arrived with outstanding professional qualifications.

Ugarte recalled that the Cuban collaboration is part of a bilateral agreement signed in 1999 and explained that the new group of doctors in the country will provide technical assistance in areas that the country needs strengthening, as specialization in transplants.



This kids are the ones who can't páy the expensive Cayetano Heredia and can't pass the test in San Marcos (To study in San marcos you need to páss a test of 18,000 candidates for 600 places), this poor kids will have to pass a test in Perú (Probably won't pass) and will be working in the public sector for 200 dollars a month (if they pass) for the rest of their lives.

Private Clinics (Private hospitals are called Clinica in Perú)

 
 

They only hire doctors from Cayetano or San Marcos
 
 
Originally posted by Svetonio</font><span style=font-family: ' Sans', arial, sans-serif; line-height: 24px;> Svetonio wrote:


A Policlínico and Consultorio in Pisco, Peru

Policlínicos are campaign clinics in zones where a tragedy has occurred, like an earthquake, they are public and only last a few months until the emergency ends.

 
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 

If you're looking to move to Peru, either with work or as a new homeland, it is highly advisable to look towards private healthcare insurance because even if you were to strictly speaking qualify for free healthcare in Peru, the government and the local authorities will always put the Peruvian population first.

 

That's true, if you want to live, you have to pay the CUBAN FREE private health care,  I  have  to  pay   US$  3,000 a year for US$ 1'000,000 health insurance

But please, get real information, life expectancy in Perú is not 68

Quote According to the latest WHO data published in 2013 life expectancy in Peru is: Male 75.6, female 79.1 and total life expectancy is 77.4 which gives Peru a World Life Expectancy ranking of 43. You can see the top 20 causes of death data and rankings for Peru by clicking on the links below or select the full country health profile at the bottom of the page.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/peru-life-expectancy

 Of course this is for the high child mortality ion the Andes or ther jungle, because in the cities, life expectancy is above 84

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

HAVANA TIMES — The presence of a group of Cuban doctors in Peru, where they allegedly practice without the necessary permits, has generated an outcry from local physicians, reported EFE.

The dean of the Medical College of Peru, Cesar Palomino, came out against this presence, while the doctors of the Social Security system stated that the issue would be among the demands in a strike called for May 13.

The head of the Institute of Health Services Management in the Ministry of Health, Oscar Ugarte, confirmed that in the country there are 42 Cuban health specialists, and each will receive about $1,785 dollars in total for lodging, food, transportation, life insurance and health care.

The Fujimori parliamentary group submitted a request to question the ministers of Health, Midori de Habich and Labor, Ana Jara on the subject.

For his part, the chairman of the Health Committee of Congress, Joaquín Ramírez, said “We see no logical justification for these doctors to have a salary and a long list of benefits that any doctor Peru would have.”



And you believe the Havana Times? Confused

Cuba is not famous for freedom of speech Dead

But don't worry, Humala is leaving nest year, none of their party will win (They have 13% of approval), so Cubans will be thrown out next year.

Don't speak of what you don't know



Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 25 2015 at 12:18
            
Back to Top
SteveG View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 11 2014
Location: Kyiv In Spirit
Status: Offline
Points: 20604
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2015 at 13:37
File:Pope Francis Korea Haemi Castle 19.jpg
For today, its Pope Francis!
Back to Top
emigre80 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 25 2015
Location: kentucky
Status: Offline
Points: 2223
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2015 at 17:49
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

File:Pope Francis Korea Haemi Castle 19.jpg
For today, its Pope Francis!
 
My favorite Pope of all time! 
 
I saw him when I was in Rome last year.  I'm putting that moment right up there with the time I saw Nelson Mandela.
Back to Top
Atavachron View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Offline
Points: 65248
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2015 at 18:01
And talk about adorable--  look at that face!

"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
Back to Top
A Person View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 10 2008
Location: __
Status: Offline
Points: 65760
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2015 at 18:39
He is pretty ok even though he thinks things like trans people can't be godparents.
Back to Top
Kati View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 10 2010
Location: Earth
Status: Offline
Points: 6253
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2015 at 18:49
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

He is pretty ok even though he thinks things like trans people can't be godparents.
Not necessary true, because he said that all genders are God's children inc. gay people etc. He is trying to break from that stuffy outdated rigid crap beliefs. It's not easy for him, he is dealing against a religious belief regime while trying to change their views and minds.


Edited by Kati - September 25 2015 at 18:50
Back to Top
Svetonio View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 20 2010
Location: Serbia
Status: Offline
Points: 10213
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:53
Somebody asked "where is prog".
 
 
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 222324

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.207 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.