thoughts on the Holocaust

thellama73 wrote: The T wrote: ^A thread about the Holocaust won't need much to be turned political. I'm not surprised nor appalled. I'm appalled about liking Robespierre though... I can't say I have much love for the French Revolution, although I can certainly understand a desire to get rid of the monarchy. I like Victor Hugo's novel Ninety-Three on the subject. Although he clearly sympathizes with the republicans, he tries to present a fair and balanced view and shows that both sides were kind of stupid. He is a great writer. By the way, this thread is now about the French Revolution.

You know what the French Revolution tells you?

All the holocaust survivors are heroes. They are great people.

Edited by geneyesontle - October 17 2012 at 20:41

I don't think eugenics is a good idea, Rob. I am willing to stand on principle and say I think we shouldn't do eugenics. Do any of you have the courage to join me?

Epignosis wrote: thellama73 wrote: I don't think eugenics is a good idea, Rob. I am willing to stand on principle and say I think we shouldn't do eugenics. Do any of you have the courage to join me? I wouldn't worry about sterilizing you.  Not like you're getting any anyway.  HEY OH.

Epignosis wrote: "Do eugenics." Reminds me of how last Friday I had my students write an essay on integrity since they had none when I was out (they did whatever they wanted instead of their assigned tasks). One girl wrote, "I will do integrity every day."

Weren't you ever a kid Rob?  I will admit that kids seem to have got worse as I've gotten older, but damn man, sub day is party time, even when I was a kid.

Back on topic:  I'm not sure what you mean by eugenics.  Some people consider the pro-choice movement to be a form of eugenics.  If so, I'm staunchly in favor of eugenics.  If you mean forcibly sterilizing people, then of course, I'm staunchly opposed.

^Ah.  Maybe not then.  

Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: "Do eugenics." Reminds me of how last Friday I had my students write an essay on integrity since they had none when I was out (they did whatever they wanted instead of their assigned tasks). One girl wrote, "I will do integrity every day." Weren't you ever a kid Rob?  I will admit that kids seem to have got worse as I've gotten older, but damn man, sub day is party time, even when I was a kid. Back on topic:  I'm not sure what you mean by eugenics.  Some people consider the pro-choice movement to be a form of eugenics.  If so, I'm staunchly in favor of eugenics.  If you mean forcibly sterilizing people, then of course, I'm staunchly opposed. We made fun of our subs but still got our work done. I don't consider the "pro choice movement" to be a form of eugenics in that capacity.  I see it as a "pro convenience movement."  I'm surprised you're against forcibly sterilizing people.  You are okay with forcing many other things on people.

One thing I find about conservative opinions is that they always want to equate forcing people to do certain things with their property to be exactly the same as force against a person's body.  Remember those jackasses who equated Obamacare with the Holocaust?  They are two completely separate issues.  Sorry, but they are.  Saying you must pay a certain percentage of your income in taxes which is then to be redistributed is quite different from saying we're going to perform an invasive surgery on you so that you may no longer have children.  See the difference?

Besides, I just want everyone to enjoy the "freedom" you champion, not just the few at the top, who can then force their will on the rest of us thus denying the majority of the people any freedom at all.

The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: "Do eugenics." Reminds me of how last Friday I had my students write an essay on integrity since they had none when I was out (they did whatever they wanted instead of their assigned tasks). One girl wrote, "I will do integrity every day." Weren't you ever a kid Rob?  I will admit that kids seem to have got worse as I've gotten older, but damn man, sub day is party time, even when I was a kid. Back on topic:  I'm not sure what you mean by eugenics.  Some people consider the pro-choice movement to be a form of eugenics.  If so, I'm staunchly in favor of eugenics.  If you mean forcibly sterilizing people, then of course, I'm staunchly opposed. We made fun of our subs but still got our work done. I don't consider the "pro choice movement" to be a form of eugenics in that capacity.  I see it as a "pro convenience movement."  I'm surprised you're against forcibly sterilizing people.  You are okay with forcing many other things on people. One thing I find about conservative opinions is that they always want to equate forcing people to do certain things with their property to be exactly the same as force against a person's body.  Remember those jackasses who equated Obamacare with the Holocaust?  They are two completely separate issues.  Sorry, but they are.  Saying you must pay a certain percentage of your income in taxes which is then to be redistributed is quite different from saying we're going to perform an invasive surgery on you so that you may no longer have children.  See the difference? Besides, I just want everyone to enjoy the "freedom" you champion, not just the few at the top, who can then force their will on the rest of us thus denying the majority of the people any freedom at all.

"Always want to" yet you cite zero examples.  "Those jackasses?"  Don't know who you mean.

But yah- Property laws are derived from the right to life.  The government does not have a right to my house any more than it has a right to my arm.

Let's suppose there is a grave need for blood in the country.  People will die without the blood banks acquiring more blood.  Do you believe the government has the power to force people to give blood?

I think the discussion regarding the Holocaust has pretty much run its course, given the number of side issues being discussed (this thread effectively died a good few months ago & was only resurrected by a spammer).

Feel free to continue discussions regarding Eugenics elsewhere

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