Holocaust = the biggest ever crime against humanity, as simple as that. It was a hideous crime, far beyond comprehension for most of us. 

It is pretty pleasing to notice that Germany has been voted the most popular land for Jews to live in for the last five years. There is now a net emigration from Israel to Germany. That is something the Germans should be proud of. 

It does worry me now that the "race hygiene" issue has popped up again in the moderate right wing movements in the Scandinavian and other countries (with notable exception of in Germany). Obviously, the lessons from Holocaust has not sunk in yet. I am vehement right winger myself, but the issues of "race hygiene" and "the Aryan race" is something we as human beings should had been finished with at the Nuremberg trials. This whole "race" and "Aryan" matter thoroughly disgusts me. In this matter, I share the views of the new Germany.  

There is a new movie being filmed now by a famous German filmmaker about Holocaust which is promising to show the full horror of Holocaust, up close and in it's most horrific details.

An excellent idea in my view. Show Holocaust as it was. But due to the promised graphic details, I don't think I can stomach (literary speaking) that movie. I rather send a check for five cinema tickets and not show up. But the movie has my full support.  

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According to Iranian President I'mANutJob, the holocaust never happened, and I don't think that he is alone in this view. 

rushfan4 wrote: According to Iranian President I'mANutJob, the holocaust never happened, and I don't think that he is alone in this view.  My personal opinion is that it was one of the most reprehensible events in our world's history.   My controversial opinion is that I don't necessarily agree with tracking down former German soldiers and trying them for war crimes.  Most were soldiers that were following orders, as awful as those orders were.  Now, those that gave the orders on the other hand deserve(d) to die 6 million horrible deaths.

Well, he should tell all my family that died there. Insanity, simply insanity and cruel trolling I suppose. Or does he really believe it ?

This will perhaps be an unpopular post, but what the hell.

Henry Plainview wrote: toroddfuglesteg wrote: Holocaust = the biggest ever crime against humanity, as simple as that. No, not really. It is beyond comprehension, yes, but it's really overrated as the worst thing ever. Stalin murdered far more people, just for less dramatic reasons, 30 million people starved to death in the Great Leap Forward, and double that were killed during World War 2. And yet, certain groups cannot refrain from bringing up the Holocaust at any possible opportunity (i.e. The ADL and the NYC Mosque), just as for a certain period of time Rudy Guiliani included 9/11 in all of his sentences, while nobody seems to really care about all the people who died under Stalin and Mao. Or even Pol Pot, and nobody in America seems to feel all that bad about firebombing Dresden and Tokyo, we just focus endlessly on the atomic bomb. Hell, we couldn't even work up the effort to risk a single American life to stop the Bosnian genocide, because I mean, f**k, they're just Muslims, and they're practically on the other side of the world! Marty McFly wrote: Well, he should tell all my family that died there. Insanity, simply insanity and cruel trolling I suppose. Or does he really believe it ? A lot of people believe that. There's a whole Wiki page for it, and if you want to see real people saying it in front of you, go to Stormfront.

I know, I know. This politic regularly does it and there are of course others. And I even know some people who would say it in front of me.

Because I have some friends, who are "skinheads", but who knows if they really believe it, or is it just because they're young and thinks it's fancy and/or trendy. Or simply that it's cool.

One thing is to like SS uniforms. Indeed, I can understand why somebody likes them, it's fashion, it's style. But other thing is when somebody spreads hate talking. I can understand that too.

But when someone beats and terrors minorities (usually in gang of more persons), it's going too far.

Where's the line what is too far ? I don't know.

Henry Plainview.

The difference between Stalin's Gulag, which killed more than Hitler's Holocaust, is that Stalin did not do this on the basis of the idea of race. Stalin did Gulag for other reasons. 

Holocaust was based on the idea of race where the socalled Aryan race was the superhumans and the slavs, the roman people and the Jews was the subhumans. Remember, the German & the Austrian Communists was not sent to the gas chambers. The Jews was and that on an industrial scale like a steelmaker in Pennsylvania did when they made steel from ore.  

That's sets Holocaust apart from any other genocides.   

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:   Having said that, is there anyone out there who know of any holocaust survivors on a personal level? It would be a fascinating discussion, if grim.

I have spoken to both sides regarding a book project fifteen years ago. A book project I did not publish at that time, but it may be published later. I am still pretty shaken by what I heard and by the attitudes expressed. 

I also had a distant relative who was both at the Nuremberg Rally (as a student in Germany) and was sent to a KZ camp some years later. What he told me about both experiences very much vaccinated me against both the Maoists (which was in vogue in Norway when I grew up) and the Nazis. Hence, I believe in the individual's civil right vs the state and in my rights to express my belief that both systems are very wrong without being sent to a camp in a faraway place. 

But as one who survived one of Hitler's camps told me; "We all regard Napoleon as a hero today, but he was a horrible despot and mass murderer". He is right. Given time and even worse people than Napoleon will be remembered with fondness.  

There is still many people who regard Mao Tse Tung as a hero although millions of people was murdered in his name. The Cultural Revolution happened forty years ago and millions was murdered. China still sends people to reprogramming camps. 

Believe me, we will get a Holocaust 2, 3, 4 and 5.   

Slartibartfast wrote: Actually the German persecution of Jews was well known before the "final solution".  We turned away a shipload of Jewish refugees.

True.

American planes was also filming the KZ camps throughout the war. But they did not bomb the gas chambers although they did know about the final solution. Also the mass movement of Jews on the railways and in ships was known to the Allies without them lifting a finger to stop it. The responsibility for Holocaust is not only resting on the Nazis shoulders. It could had been seriously disrupted or even stopped if there was a will to stop it. Hence today's Israel's "everyone's against us" attitude.