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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

I dont know

this is not really what we should post in a review is it?

 
Not much different is this one Confused
 
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=868870
 
Another who is unable to understand the difference between "progressive music" as an adjective and "prog-rock" as a noun to identify an undeniably existing music style which has been around for 40 years and still appeals to many people.
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

I dont know

this is not really what we should post in a review is it?

 
Not much different is this one Confused
 
 
Another who is unable to understand the difference between "progressive music" as an adjective and "prog-rock" as a noun to identify an undeniably existing music style which has been around for 40 years and still appeals to many people.

I think this one is even worse because of the ignorance you mentioned and also because it attacks PA and makes less than constructive suggestions about how to run the website in a review, rather than in the appropriate "forum".  They should be offered the chance to clean it up
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

I dont know

this is not really what we should post in a review is it?

 
Not much different is this one Confused
 
 
Another who is unable to understand the difference between "progressive music" as an adjective and "prog-rock" as a noun to identify an undeniably existing music style which has been around for 40 years and still appeals to many people.

I think this one is even worse because of the ignorance you mentioned and also because it attacks PA and makes less than constructive suggestions about how to run the website in a review, rather than in the appropriate "forum".  They should be offered the chance to clean it up
Yeah, that's pretty nasty.  Although to be fair, it took me several months on this forum to understand and accept that prog-rock and progressive music are not always the same thing.  But venting about it in a review seems pretty inappropriate, our guidelines are clear about that.
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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

I dont know


this is not really what we should post in a review is it?

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=868747



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The albun is exactly what you say, a patchwork of short pieces tied together, but it was one of the first 1-track albums of the history and should be considered taking into account its originality (actual). It contributed enormously in building the economical empire of Richard Branson and the various "pieces" are not that bad. Oldfield himself is aware of the patchwork thing, so that in 2003 released a re-edition with the tracks separated on CD and each one with its title. Try to consider it as an album of gapless songs, maybe your rating can increase to two stars. 

BTW My rating of TB is 4 stars if I remember correctly
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Originally posted by alinux alinux wrote:

Dear Friends,

Here you are other rating manipulation:
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=40415

For 2012 it's ASTRA oriented user:

It's OK for me giving 5 stars to a personal favourites! But, damned 2 or 1 stars to other bands, just to underrate them is really frustrating!

Please, admins, moderators do something.
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                  I disagree with some of the ratings, but I don't see a real manipulation, specially by Mr Kettle
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                  Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

                  I disagree with some of the ratings, but I don't see a real manipulation, specially by Mr Kettle
                  I have enough evidence to suggest to me that something could be wrong, a simple explanation will resolve that.
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                  Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

                  I disagree with some of the ratings, but I don't see a real manipulation, specially by Mr Kettle



                  Hey Luca. I think Dean was just illustrating how these guys are doing the exact same thing as they are accusing others of.
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                  Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

                  Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

                  ^I suppose him calling the average rating "offensive" could be construed as making negative comments toward other reviewers, which is prohibited according to the reviewing guidelines.

                  Otherwise, it just sounded like a terrible review devoid of any good content but also devoid of anything blatantly against the rules.  At least it was concise. 

                  well, he does say the music flits around quite a bit and has no cohesion.  So there is some attempt at explaining himself.  I think it should stay because he doesn't pick on an individual reviewer, but it takes a lot of nerve to come on here, post a first review that degrades a well known and respected album, and then refer to the ratings of others as disgusting.  He may not realize that his review probably didn't move the overall rating of TB by more than 0.01
                  I don't have much against that Tub Bells review (I don't hold that album as a masterpiece myself)... and I don't find he's attacking the general PA reviewing, but that's probably because I more or less agree that it's way over-rated
                   
                  However, since it appears like it's his only review... It might just be somewhat of an over-reaction on his part...
                   
                   
                  But that particular review did prompt a somewhat vicious attack on mine from someone else on the forum (thanks to Kenneth for pointing to that tooHug)... I'll rewrite the first paragraph which might be somewhat misleading/confusing (comparing Oldfield to TD or JM Jarre is not judiscious, even though I linked them strongly when I was younger), ASAIC
                   
                   
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                  Have these last few cases in this thread led to any general policy?

                  Here is another member who has given almost exclusively 5 and 1 star ratings: http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=40989


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                  Galleons of Passion 
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                  3 stars Well intended effort and an improvement on their first, rather hectic album.

                  Unfortunately, this work is still lacking direction - and as such - it fails to impress. To their credit, they applied some restraint here, but that is just not sufficient to elevate this work beyond noting the lack of irritation associated with their debut release.

                  My criteria is relatively simple. Would I listen to an album again? I'd have to say no to this one. Not whilst hundreds of potentially promising albums are sitting on my shelves, awaiting for the first spin. "Galleons" is not bad, it's just not quite good enough, either. There is enormous material available even from those early years of Prog, yet to be examined - and in some cases, absorbed - thanks to numerous releases from the vaults in recent times.

                  With that in mind, I couldn't possibly rate this work as essential. Life is just not long enough to fill with other, but the very best.


                  In my opinion this is not a review.....it tells me nothing.
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                  Not my area of expertise but I see nothing wrong with it. It's written well and follows all the guidelines, the only thing lacking is true content, which is hard to judge objectively. 
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                  Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:


                  Have these last few cases in this thread led to any general policy?Here is another member who has given almost exclusively 5 and 1 star ratings: http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=40989




                  It's a shame that Sigur Ros is the band that they're abusing
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                  Should not a review have some content about the music. From this content it could be a restaurant he is talking about.
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                  Two things: whether or not a review should have "content" is fairly subjective and I won't personally delete reviews based solely on a lack of "content" (not sure what other admins might think). Second, what content is is pretty much up to the reviewer. I see that he things the album is "hectic," "well intended," yet "lacking direction." A restaurant? Maybe, but unlikely. Our good friend BORA is probably assuming that since he's on an album page, the reader thinks he is talking about the album.
                  Personally, I don't think it's a terribly good album, but it doesn't break any rules. If he was going on and on about how much he thinks the guitarist is a bad person, then we'd have a problem, but this is just a skimpy review, which we sadly have many of.

                  I'm just playing the devil's advocate here, but I can't really see the need to discipline him. 
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                  I agree, it's a poor review but nothing unreasonable is being written about the music nor is there complete disregard of the album as the topic. 
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                  I can accept that. I think he probably listened to it once and dismissed it. So be it.
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                  What's worse is that he says it's an improvement over their previous album. Maybe in artwork but..!Stern Smile
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                  Could never match the debut which is a classic in my opinion.
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