 raggy wrote:
Dick Heath wrote:
Now seriously:
Oooh - I'm not going to let you get away with that!
As an obvious fan of Marillion I would hope you would defend
them and tell me why you like them - and hopefully there may be
something in what you write which turns me on. It may surprise you but
I'm very open minded and I'm here for my education but you'll have to
work hard to change my opinion gained from broad exposure to prog
over a long time - but surely one of the functions
of this website? You'll find I'm doing something similar wrt Soft
Machine elsewhere. Being educated, educating?
"Instrumental breaks lack dynamics?" The dynamics make the hairs stand up on the back of my neck!!
Give me an example or two from the first three albums so I can back and perhaps revise my ideas.
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Dick, go with your gut feelings man, your previous post on this
thread was concise and echoed my own thoughts with regard to Camel and
Marrillion precisely. When you're right, you're right! |
Some times I'll first listen and then put up my case, but more often to
be provocative I'll go first - hoping the response is
"mature" enough to debate and perhap expand my understanding. Yes
I have strong opinions about things I know about - and I know my prog
history pretty well, at least up until the late 80's when there
were too many neo-progressives from outside the UK to keep up
with, and I become far more discriminatory.
However, I have a curiosity as to why some folks love their
particular brand of prog so vermently and completely, when I have only
a passing interest that music (i.e. doesn't mean I totally dislike it).
I'm musically greedy - I want to know for sure I'm not missing some gem
or other. Sometimes I prefer a particular album by a band,
simply because it was the first I heard. Similarly, I would propose in
a world running out of options, if somebody hears a band derived from
some earlier band's style/music, they will more like go for what they
hear first and like than the originators. (That's how modern
manufactured boy and girl bands are conning 13 years, in doing bad
over-recorded covers of 80's hits) - and I reckon this will be part of
the reason for the loyal fan base for Spocks Beard (I'm a cynic). As
I've said I seem to be the old phart around here and believe I know
much of the music the early prog bands - hence most newer bands
will increasingly sound derivative to my ear and memory - but thanks
goodness for some innovation, The Mars Volta and the nu.progressives
Most prog bands have at least one or two good tunes and performances in
their repertoises. However, I have my favourite bands and find most of
their repertoise satisfies, so I will defend them with equal volume and
most certainly correct errors of fact - which are sprinkled with
great liberty on this site. In passing, why do so few women like prog
(or jazz rock)? The abstract virtues, and the psychology of
liking for any music/musicians is far less precise to describe in words
and so debate more difficult. That most recent poll on proto-prog
can only be treated as fun, a joke because there are gapping holes in
the choice IMHO, - this opinion has come from recent experience of
having done some thorough research on the subject for an article on
another website. There is the risk on a site intending to become the
definitive site for prog, that in time a few people will take that sort
of thing seriously and walk away with a distorted idea about
proto-prog.
Neo-prog (always been a sloppy
term) was coined as a means of describing the new prog bands to emerge
in the 80's, who for many seemed to derived their initial sound
from what went before - Marillion, It Bites and Pallas being the early
receipients of the term in the UK (even though I have no idea from what
Pallas derived, while both Fish's and Francis Dunnery's vocals
reminded many of Peter Gabriel, and arrangements on early albums
reminded many people of Genesis for Marillion and Genesis crossed with
UK for It Bites).
To repeat, I have 3 LPs and a CD of Marillion, which suggests I don't
totally dislike them and therefore armed with such "research tools",
tell me what I'm missing or have forgotten. In return I'll tell why I
like Polysofts' tribute to Soft Machine.................................
Interesting not many coming to the defence of Camel.
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