Gabriel vs Collins era Genesis

Oh God... I have to save GENESIS here...

The only album ok by PG was his first. And I have the "Plays Live" only like a postum work cause I'm a GENESIS fan...

And WW is one of the best works I ever heard (maybe because was my first GENESIS LP)...

And the only bad disc by GENESIS is Abacab... Well, Calling All Stations is very weak... but is better than actual PG outputs.

And I don't like the fact that PG deny his glorious days with GENESIS. Did you ever heard him sing his classic prog tunes of Gen days in his solo career ??? When he cames to Brazil, he invited Milton Nascimento to the stage, and when they were singing a song together Milton started to sing "We've got to get in to get out"...  What did Mr. Gabriel ? He leaved the stage leting Milton alone with the band !!! This is a disrespect with the other colleague and with the band that made he famous... And he re-recorded "Carpet Crawlers" with the band only for the money...

Well, that's why I don't like PG after GENESIS...

Man, Collins was a FANSTASTIC drummer with the Gabriel era Genesis....he really shines on the Foxtrot LP, really jazzy stuff that drove Banks and the band.....when Gabriel left, Collins started getting more into composition, lyrics and fronting the band....and his "sound" really suffered.....I don't remember too many groovy Collins licks after the Wind LP......just sterile and sythesized.

Yeah, Gabriel's solo stuff has its merits, but I think his first two LPs are overrated and suffer from poor production....still, without Gabriel's magic, Hackett's musical ideas, and Collins' impeccable drumming, Banks is left to his own devices....and that spells trouble!

Intruder wrote: Man, Collins was a FANSTASTIC drummer with the Gabriel era Genesis....he really shines on the Foxtrot LP, really jazzy stuff that drove Banks and the band.....when Gabriel left, Collins started getting more into composition, lyrics and fronting the band....and his "sound" really suffered.....I don't remember too many groovy Collins licks after the Wind LP......just sterile and sythesized. ]

I agree that Collins' "sound" did change after Gabriel left, but not for the
fact that he was focusing too much on other aspects of music. The songs
themselves almost abandoned alternate time signatures and didn't call for
the same style.

Plus, Collins did revolutionize some drum dubbing techniqes that had
never really been heard before, and he maintained his reputation as "the
Human Metronome"

Titan wrote :

omri:PG IV is not popy album , african rhytms etc.

Try to listen UP, it is absolute different, SO and US were maybe more commercial, but UP is dark, great album.

I said a beat popy & dull . I know the album and he continues with the african rythms that's right. I feel that the melodies were less nice or interesting and went to simplicity. I'm not blaming PG in becoming a pop singer at this one (I save that claim to sleadge hammer - that's pop crap IMO).

Up I do not know and perhaps I should listen to it. The problem with loosing interest is that an artist can do later a good album and you would'nt notice. No such problem with Genesys cause they became very popular and it was on the radio a lot so I know I did'nt miss a thing.

It seems to me that the real focal point of this thread is "Phil Collins SUCKS!" and this implies that post-Gabriel Genesis suck as well!
I disagree about the first statement, and though I fail to see a cause-effect relatioship between these two statements, I must say that I disagree also with the second!

I like both Peter and Phil, and even though I personally prefer Peter, that does not mean the other sucks! Peter is more theatrical, more intense if you wish, while Phil has a straighter, in-the-face approach: two different ways of singing and proposing themselves to the audience!

As for the compositions, I think they were able to reinvent themselves in relation to the modifications of the music ambience throughout the eighties!
And come on, do you really think pieces like Dodo, Mama, Home by the Sea, Domino, No son of mine and Fading lights are CRAP????

Ok, they also produced blatant pop songs which I in the first place cannot bear (for instance, No reply at all, In too deep, Throwing it all away, Hold on my heart and the like), but that does not mean Genesis' eighties production deserves to be discarded as a whole!

BiGi wrote: It seems to me that the real focal point of this thread is "Phil Collins SUCKS!" and this implies that post-Gabriel Genesis suck as well! I disagree about the first statement, and though I fail to see a cause-effect relatioship between these two statements, I must say that I disagree also with the second! I like both Peter and Phil, and even though I personally prefer Peter, that does not mean the other sucks! Peter is more theatrical, more intense if you wish, while Phil has a straighter, in-the-face approach: two different ways of singing and proposing themselves to the audience! As for the compositions, I think they were able to reinvent themselves in relation to the modifications of the music ambience throughout the eighties! And come on, do you really think pieces like Dodo, Mama, Home by the Sea, Domino, No son of mine and Fading lights are CRAP???? Ok, they also produced blatant pop songs which I in the first place cannot bear (for instance, No reply at all, In too deep, Throwing it all away, Hold on my heart and the like), but that does not mean Genesis' eighties production deserves to be discarded as a whole!

 Exactly!