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Posted: May 15 2011 at 15:45
Slaughternalia wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
God damn it, did you really need to start this thread again? Really?
Hey, not all of us have been here since 2008
Even a cursory search would reveal many, many pages of posts on this subject that you could read instead of making a new thread. Some things should not be discussed anymore.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 16:01
Henry Plainview wrote:
Slaughternalia wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
God damn it, did you really need to start this thread again? Really?
Hey, not all of us have been here since 2008
Even a cursory search would reveal many, many pages of posts on this subject that you could read instead of making a new thread. Some things should not be discussed anymore.
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Posted: May 15 2011 at 18:38
Slaughternalia wrote:
Valentino wrote:
Come on, Yes and Genesis are girly as it is.
Also, I know more Pink Floyd fans who are girls than guys.
Women tend to like Pink Floyd far more than other prog rock for some reason. I've always felt that Floyd doesn't fit in perfectly with the whole "prog rock" thing. Their music has pretty simple structure, and is driven mainly by emotion
well Pink Floyd is kinde of a huuuuuuge band, not only are they a top tier prog band....they are among the top greats of rock and british invation as well. Pink Floyd is as much a common house-hold name as vacume cleaner or re-frigerator are/is, they sold 200 million records . its huuuuuge, they are not only BIG but are like SUPER BIG
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 00:00
Andyman1125 wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
Slaughternalia wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
God damn it, did you really need to start this thread again? Really?
Hey, not all of us have been here since 2008
Even a cursory search would reveal many, many pages of posts on this subject that you could read instead of making a new thread. Some things should not be discussed anymore.
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 00:21
My wife and I have similar tastes in music. Similar but not exact. She has a far greater collection of classical CDs and prefers not to listen to anything loud and obnoxious. So I play Black Sabbath when she's not around.
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 10:17
Why should women waste their time in the sexist sausage fest that is rock music when they get justly deserved recognition without cheap comments about their looks in jazz and classical music (more academic and serious, eh!)? I am dumbfounded to see that some people would actually use the prog fan ratio of men to women that deduce that women are not interested in serious music or things that more or less suggest such a belief (not so far in this thread, for small mercies!). Oh, and I am pretty sure Gone with the Wind, Good Earth, Rebecca are just silly, trivial vampire stories.
There will be fewer women artists of great renown than men for some more time in most fields of art simply because 'we' let them do 'our' stuff much later and they've had to catch up with us. For all that, however, if you are even reasonably well informed, you should find female musicians, writers etc of undeniable talent. The bitter truth is that since majority of listeners are also men, they are not interested in what a woman has to say and won't give credit where it's due and then go on pretending it's a man's world. Sure thing!
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 10:23
Alitare wrote:
In 1971 most guys had a choice between Aqualung and Carole King's Tapestry. Which do you think most adolescent males would rather listen to? Locomotive Breath or So Far Away?
And in the 70s, you also had Joan Baez or Joni Mitchell. Since I have not been initiated to Dagmar Krause, I won't comment on her. And as for dissonance or, essentially, aesthetic ugliness, what about Diamanda Galas? I grant that most people would not have had access to an artist like Diamanda Galas but that certainly doesn't wash with Joan Baez or Joni Mitchell. There is plainly latent bias against women in rock music. I have often seen fans second guess each and every of their actions and intentions in ways they never would with men - as if a woman cannot possibly be interested in music even if she devotes a liftetime to it. I don't think there's anything outrageous about this. Given the text of many a rock lyric, tongue in cheek though it may be, there is bound to be benign sexism in rock.
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 11:06
rogerthat wrote:
Alitare wrote:
In 1971 most guys had a choice between Aqualung and Carole King's Tapestry. Which do you think most adolescent males would rather listen to? Locomotive Breath or So Far Away?
And in the 70s, you also had Joan Baez or Joni Mitchell. Since I have not been initiated to Dagmar Krause, I won't comment on her. And as for dissonance or, essentially, aesthetic ugliness, what about Diamanda Galas? I grant that most people would not have had access to an artist like Diamanda Galas but that certainly doesn't wash with Joan Baez or Joni Mitchell. There is plainly latent bias against women in rock music. I have often seen fans second guess each and every of their actions and intentions in ways they never would with men - as if a woman cannot possibly be interested in music even if she devotes a liftetime to it. I don't think there's anything outrageous about this. Given the text of many a rock lyric, tongue in cheek though it may be, there is bound to be benign sexism in rock.
For the record, I prefer So Far Away to Locomotive Breath, but prefer Aqualung as a whole over Tapestry as a whole. I emotionally concur with a lot you have to say, Rogerthat.
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 11:11
Alitare wrote:
For the record, I prefer So Far Away to Locomotive Breath, but prefer Aqualung as a whole over Tapestry as a whole. I emotionally concur with a lot you have to say, Rogerthat.
I do too, it was just not a like-and-like comparison, that was my point. How about choosing between Barbara Dennerlein and Joey De Francesco? So much tougher. And if you asked the Baldies, they would probably say it's not even tough, it's Barbara all the way.
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 14:14
CPicard wrote:
Slaughternalia wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
God damn it, did you really need to start this thread again? Really?
Hey, not all of us have been here since 2008
This is the kind of comment which should become a meme: "I'm a academical music critic - I'm on the net since 2008".
I'm actually a relative noob to the internet, I only got online around 2003-2004. But I think I have made up for that at least in part with sheer volume...
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 14:25
My mom likes No-Man, Anekdoten, Camel and Pink Floyd, and some other prog.
I have a female friend who likes some prog metal as well.
But to answer the question I really don't know. However, I will say that even in other genres like electronica or indie music there are generally far more males who are really into the music than females. But this could be simply coincidence or perhaps because of the way that females are socialized.
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Posted: May 16 2011 at 15:03
Alitare wrote:
silverpot wrote:
It's because men have more spare time. Women have to tire themselves with housework instead of relaxing in front of the stereo.
Are you saying working a full time job and helping raise a kid gives more free time than housework?
Well, in my country women work a full time job, raise kids AND do most of the housework. (i did write that as a joke though)
It's only now, in my late fifties, that I have the time to really indulge in my interest in music. Just like I did in my youth. Hubby always found the time somehow though.
Anyway, you're absolutely right about the diffuculties women have always had with trying to get heard, read or viewed as artists.
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Posted: May 19 2011 at 06:59
Recently I've seen "Prog Rock Britannia an Observation in Three.Movements" a documentary about the golden age of Progressive Rock by BBC.
They said that Prog Rock was a type of music for a public of "white, middle upper class men". I can claim that, during that period, it wasn't; I mean , at least in Italy, where I spent that period of my life, there were many girl's fan of prog music. But now, It seems that ladys not only dislike the genre, but they even don't have a memory of the past's popularity of this music.
What do you think about that?
Are there some ladies or black people's member willing to give an opinion about the reason why of that
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Slaughternalia wrote:
Well, in my country women work a full time job, raise kids AND do most of the housework. (i did write that as a joke though)
