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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2011 at 12:15
Right now I'm enjoying Karl Richter's 1958 version of Bach's Matthaus Passion. Best non-hip version ever. Just yesterday I was enjoying some real black black metal. It has a lot to do with my mood and what I'm doing. With classical music I definitely always LISTEN, I never do anything else but listen. With metal, I can be doing other stuff. Metal fills a space in my musical mind and it has been like that since I discovered it when I was around 16. My relation with classical goes way back so you can't say I like metal because it was the first type of music I listened to.

Jazz is not my cup of tea though, with some exceptions (Brubeck )
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2011 at 15:18
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Prog music is a very broad church...
 
I agree with you completely!
 
However, I suspect that this is a (not so) subtle sniping remark about a comment I made in a different thread.
 
But please let me clarify.  The title of the thread is Your opinion on Prog Metal. 
 
The points I give in my posting are completely on-topic.  They are my opinion - not objective universal truths.  Yes Prog does and should embrace a very wide range of musical styles (and thank God for that).  Prog Metal is one of my least favourite prog genres.  I state this as a personal opinion and was invited to do so by the creator of this thread.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2011 at 16:58
Originally posted by Green Shield Stamp Green Shield Stamp wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Prog music is a very broad church...
 
I agree with you completely!
 
However, I suspect that this is a (not so) subtle sniping remark about a comment I made in a different thread.
 
But please let me clarify.  The title of the thread is Your opinion on Prog Metal. 
 
The points I give in my posting are completely on-topic.  They are my opinion - not objective universal truths.  Yes Prog does and should embrace a very wide range of musical styles (and thank God for that).  Prog Metal is one of my least favourite prog genres.  I state this as a personal opinion and was invited to do so by the creator of this thread.
 
A broad church should allow for a broad range of opinions; please allow me mine.
Sorry. Cheap shot easily taken, but in response to the 'a pig painted gold is still a pig' comment I felt it justified.
 
However, I have made no comment regarding your right to make comment or voice your personal opinion here or anywhere else - you are free to equate Metal with a pig, they are both much maligned animals. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 10:37
I'm turned off by the word "metal" in the name. And what could be more metal than the title track from Crimso's Red?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 15:21
I think prog metal got a bad rap in the early 2000's for being full of "Dream Theater rip offs".  Seems to have changed with bands like Opeth and Porcupine Tree gaining popularity.

My opinion?  I love prog metal.  For me it was a gateway to checking out more prog styles as well.  I'll always be a huge metal fan as well as prog
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 15:30

Metal and prog are my two favorite genres of music.  However, I find that crossing them with each other can often yield non-stellar results.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 15:40

I have a strange relation with metal (and it's prog subsidiaries)
I would say that I'm disinterested in 80-90% of it, but the remaining 10% can hit me like nothing else (except for Tangerine Dream and Floyd of course Approve)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 16:49
I must be one of those few prog fans who prefer non-prog metal to prog metal. I'll take Judas Priest and Slayer over Dream Theater or Opeth anyday. Most metal-oriented prog is 75% metal, 25% prog to my ears. I'm not much for most of "Progressive Metal" (as a sub here), but there is some "Tech/Extreme" and "Post/Experimental" I enjoy very much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 18:32
I used to worship at the altars of Dream Theater, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Dio, Rainbow, Iced Earth, Blind Guardian, and all sorts of metal groups. Metal was my favorite genre. Now it has become one of my least favorites. When it comes to progressive metal, it depends. Are they following the ideas behind Devin Townsend, maudlin of the Well, Pain of Salvation, Ayreon, Queensryche (sometimes), or Riverside? Then I love it. But are they following the ideas behind Dream Theater? Then forget it. I'm sick of it, entirely. I don't want anything to do with it anymore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 18:37
I love prog metal! I think it gets way too much shtick with people just bashing it for no easily discernible reason... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 19:17
Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

I love prog metal! I think it gets way too much shtick with people just bashing it for no easily discernible reason... 

Because the trillions of Dream Theater knock-offs pollute the air, because the other instruments usually take a backseat to the electric guitar and vocalist, because the entire metal paradigm is one that eschews half the human emotional palette, because they tend to swarm to metal due to their lack of abilities when it comes to writing eminently memorable melodies, because half the genre is built around impressing rather than affecting or impacting, because most metal has nothing to do with subtlety, because distortion can mask inferior playing abilities, because people involved with it tend to care more about image and style rather than sheer musical qualities, because the genre lacks a distinct edge for experimentation, because it's typically so damn derivative and unoriginal. Just look at those trillions upon trillions of Iron Maiden albums and Iron Maiden ripoffs releasing the same long, droning, unoriginal tripe year after year, because it propagates this new silly loudness war, because it's often based only on wh can play faster or louder or whatever, because people associated with the genre seem to typically take flash over substance, because it tends to be lyrically banal and adolescent.

There's a nice list of easily discernible reasons. Note: none of these are intended to be generalizations. This also isn't directed toward post metal, or bands such as Pain of Salvation or Devin Townsend. This list doesn't regard ALL prog metal, just the majority, so don't jump with your inane defenses thinking I've gone and done something ugly and erroneous to deface your oh-so-holy genre and forgotten X such and such group or Y such and such group that totally obliterates my preconceived notions of the genre. It don't work like that, Mack. And remember, this is coming from a guy who used to utterly worship heavy metal, progressive or otherwise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 19:23
Has to sound fresh and unique.
Or else i get bored really quickly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 20:12
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

I must be one of those few prog fans who prefer non-prog metal to prog metal. I'll take Judas Priest and Slayer over Dream Theater or Opeth anyday. Most metal-oriented prog is 75% metal, 25% prog to my ears. I'm not much for most of "Progressive Metal" (as a sub here), but there is some "Tech/Extreme" and "Post/Experimental" I enjoy very much.


I am pretty much like that. Not Slayer maybe but generally, that's how it is for me.  Black Sabbath is my all time favourite metal band and next up would surely be Judas Priest. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 20:32
I'm not a fan of metal at all. Anything that has to be heavier than Heavy rock is pointless and done because of a fad imo. Btw I think sabbath were heavy rock in the 70s and they only had 2 metal songs eg Sympton and Bloody sabbath which i dislike in parts

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 20:35
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

I'm not a fan of metal at all. Anything that has to be heavier than Heavy rock is pointless and done because of a fad imo

I'm not a fan of rock at all. Anything that has to be heavier than soft folk is pointless and done because of a fad imo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 20:40
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

I'm not a fan of metal at all. Anything that has to be heavier than Heavy rock is pointless and done because of a fad imo

I'm not a fan of rock at all. Anything that has to be heavier than soft folk is pointless and done because of a fad imo.
 
Good for you. As for metal, screaming/growling vocals only bring music down.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 20:46
Thanks for all your answers.  I've read them all
Seems like a mod/admin changed my thread name and added "prog" to it. I won't change it back, but my scope was larger then just metal prog.

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Red, SEBTP, DSOTM, CTTE


I know Red, I know DSOTM, but SEBTP and CTTE?

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

I love prog metal! I think it gets way too much shtick with people just bashing it for no easily discernible reason... 

Because the trillions of Dream Theater knock-offs pollute the air, because the other instruments usually take a backseat to the electric guitar and vocalist, because the entire metal paradigm is one that eschews half the human emotional palette, because they tend to swarm to metal due to their lack of abilities when it comes to writing eminently memorable melodies, because half the genre is built around impressing rather than affecting or impacting, because most metal has nothing to do with subtlety, because distortion can mask inferior playing abilities, because people involved with it tend to care more about image and style rather than sheer musical qualities, because the genre lacks a distinct edge for experimentation, because it's typically so damn derivative and unoriginal. Just look at those trillions upon trillions of Iron Maiden albums and Iron Maiden ripoffs releasing the same long, droning, unoriginal tripe year after year, because it propagates this new silly loudness war, because it's often based only on wh can play faster or louder or whatever, because people associated with the genre seem to typically take flash over substance, because it tends to be lyrically banal and adolescent.

There's a nice list of easily discernible reasons. Note: none of these are intended to be generalizations. This also isn't directed toward post metal, or bands such as Pain of Salvation or Devin Townsend. This list doesn't regard ALL prog metal, just the majority, so don't jump with your inane defenses thinking I've gone and done something ugly and erroneous to deface your oh-so-holy genre and forgotten X such and such group or Y such and such group that totally obliterates my preconceived notions of the genre. It don't work like that, Mack. And remember, this is coming from a guy who used to utterly worship heavy metal, progressive or otherwise.


That's the kind of post I was looking for in this thread.

I have to agree with you. Load of crap being made. Still, it won't change the fact that I like Dream Theater (But I used to love them a lot) but I would take PoS (at least, before Scarsick Tongue) before any other metal act.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 20:46
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

I'm not a fan of metal at all. Anything that has to be heavier than Heavy rock is pointless and done because of a fad imo

I'm not a fan of rock at all. Anything that has to be heavier than soft folk is pointless and done because of a fad imo.
 
Good for you. As for metal, screaming/growling vocals only bring music down.

Since when did all metal vocals constitute screaming and growling? Does this mean Geoff Tate is a figment of my imagination?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 20:49
Metal was never good imo. There's always something in a metal song which makes it non enjoyable but most metal is awful though. Heavy rock is the perfect heavy sound. It is a much better style than Hard rock which is limited to standard hard rock bass playing
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 17 2011 at 20:52
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

I'm not a fan of metal at all. Anything that has to be heavier than Heavy rock is pointless and done because of a fad imo

I'm not a fan of rock at all. Anything that has to be heavier than soft folk is pointless and done because of a fad imo.
 
Good for you. As for metal, screaming/growling vocals only bring music down.

Since when did all metal vocals constitute screaming and growling? Does this mean Geoff Tate is a figment of my imagination?
 
Who's that?
 
70s prog is meaner than any metal anyway. Heavy bass craps on guitar riffs Cool
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