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TheProgtologist 
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 Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:48 |
Great news,just watched Obama's speech.
The only thing that concerns me is Al-Qaeda's response.All Americans abroad are in danger,and our troops in Afghanistan are going to face some really tough times.
But he needed hunted and killed like the rabid animal he was,and we can face the consequences.
Edited by TheProgtologist - May 01 2011 at 23:16
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:50 |
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I think Bin Laden has been irrelevent over the last few years. The Moslem world, particularly the Middle East has figured out the thier own governments are the infidels, not the west. |
Indeed. This doesn't have to be symbolic only for us. It's sad how horrid and idiotic our thoughts and beliefs have been towards the Arab World have been. Would be great if those fighting their own government's in the Middle East could use this to stand strong. Kinda like "yeah the old days are dead"
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:52 |
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Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
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Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:55 |
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I thought he died like 3 years ago
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:56 |
The US has armed everyone..this is nothing new.
Once the Soviet union self imploded Bin Laden directed his jihad against the next super power, the US. Continuing
to go after the Soviet union would have meant nothing to his followers.
We cannot understand the mind of a religious zealot.
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The T
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:56 |
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I need to see the body...
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 22:57 |
JJLehto wrote:
Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
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Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
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Obama said some tips about a year ago pointed to Pakistan and Bin Laden being holed up in a compound there.Took quite a few months to verify all the intel and then a small team was sent in to take him out,probably the Joint Spec Ops Group.I really don't think he was killed in the firefight,I think he was executed,which is fine by me.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:02 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Well...Obama claims he had some knowledge for months now and it was his orders that eventually resulted in this.
Considering he was shot in the head, that would make sense. I mean how impossible is it to find a man with ungodly resources to hide? If anything a missile or bomb would get him. An actual person getting him, being able to verify it was him? Sounds like we must've known something and was actively seeking him.
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Well, that would be a second term for Obama.
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Obama said some tips about a year ago pointed to Pakistan and Bin Laden being holed up in a compound there.Took quite a few months to verify all the intel and then a small team was sent in to take him out,probably the Joint Spec Ops Group.I really don't think he was killed in the firefight,I think he was executed,which is fine by me. |
So that's this "JSOP" that the news keeps talking about. Yeah, they've been saying we're going to hear that acronym a lot very soon. Pretty much Jody, this was not a firefight obviously. It was a search and kill. Great for all the families affected that can feel some closure, but if Osama was killed in a firefight well OK....what are you going to do? Now that it seems this was a specific operation targeted to get him, I really wish he was captured, brought here, tried and forced to rot in jail for the rest of his life. Those that are dedicated to terrorism will use this for their own purpose as well. Instead of a martyr I'd like him to be a coward, sitting in isolation and wallowing in his failure.
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The T
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:12 |
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Yes, bringing him in alive would've been so much better in every possible way...
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:16 |
But if you captured him alive and held him for trial what do you think would happen? Al Qaeda would plan something terrible(a massive bombing,maybe threaten to release some tasty anthrax or smallpox spores on an unsuspecting city) unless we released him.He might be a martyr in death,but I think it was better than taking him alive.
And I got the acronym wrong,it's JSOC(Joint Spec Ops Command).Pretty much takes all the best spec ops units and personnel and they work together on highly classified activities.
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:17 |
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Bin Laden may be dead, but the war isn't over yet.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:19 |
Oh come on T, surely you can find a link to put in the OP, don't be so lazy. I'll even give you something.  PROOFREADING! As for the news: I am surprised. I don't know what else to say. I doubt it will have much of an impact on anything.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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The T
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:21 |
"Usama Bin Landen"? 
OP links are too predictable.
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KoS
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:23 |
Those "We landed on the moon, but we still haven't got Osama" jokes will finally be over. Other than that, not much will change.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:26 |
The T wrote:
"Usama Bin Landen"?
OP links are too predictable. |
Usama is a valid alternate spelling. Landen and confrims are a bit overenthusiastic. I can't blame the writer, though, I would be shaking to get it out as quickly as possible if I were in that situation.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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The T
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:29 |
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:31 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
But if you captured him alive and held him for trial what do you think would happen? Al Qaeda would plan something terrible(a massive bombing,maybe threaten to release some tasty anthrax or smallpox spores on an unsuspecting city) unless we released him.He might be a martyr in death,but I think it was better than taking him alive.
And I got the acronym wrong,it's JSOC(Joint Spec Ops Command).Pretty much takes all the best spec ops units and personnel and they work together on highly classified activities. |
Ah it was JSOC! I thought what you said sounded off but figured you were probably correct over the moronic air heads we call the media I don't know, it's the greatest damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Me personally, I wish he was captured alive since it seems that may have been possible, and as for retaliation? I can't see his being killed/captured alive having an impact on that. also remember, it's more than Al Qaeda. There are more out there than we can know, most operating outside of Al Qaeda completely.
Edited by JJLehto - May 01 2011 at 23:32
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:31 |
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It's big news, of that there is no doubt. But I'm highly skeptical that it will change anything on the ground. He's already a martyr, and you know how strong the discourse of the martyr can be...
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:41 |
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Yeah, it's terrorism. It can't be defeated.
You can defeat an army, a country. You can completely overrun it and set up a new government. But you can't defeat an idea.
Only possible way that can change is through a long, long natural process.
Anyway, I hope to this can be the beginning of the end. Start leaving Afghanistan and Iraq now. Leave the whole Middle East, and let the natural albeit painful process finally begin.
Edit: Also wonder when, if it all, we'll get details about it. It happened in Pakistan...meaning either the government knew we were doing so, or we just snuck in and did so. We hear about how Pakistan has been more and more helpful in aiding the US, wonder if they knew about this little operation.
Or did we go Sam Fischer on them?
Edited by JJLehto - May 01 2011 at 23:44
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manofmystery
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Posted: May 01 2011 at 23:53 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
I thought he died like 3 years ago |
Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't wait till October of next year to announce this.
Any Colour You Like wrote:
Bin Laden may be dead, but the war isn't over yet. |
The Military Industrial Complex has to keep on churning, after all. There's too much money moving around to stop now.
Not only are we still fighting that war but we still have Iraq to worry about and a brand spanking new war in Libya that is even more senseless and difficult. This should grab the attention away from NATO killing one of Gaddafi's civilian sons and several grandchildren.
Maybe after the hoopla has died down American's will really start demanding an end to the bloodshed, though, considering this is why the majority of American's think we're still over there.
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