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O666 
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 Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:02 |
 sohraab wrote:
hi my friend! my english is not as good as u say!
i am partially agree with your review on camel album. with one exception. i think rajaz and a nod and a wink could be considered as masterpieces by the standards of PA. anyway this is not my case. the question in my mind is that why they were underrated at 70`s? what could has been the reason for them to be less considered by public compared to PF, Yes, Gensis and others? did Camle have anything missed in their music at 70`s?
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I really undrestand you bro. Albums like "Breathless" made Camel underrate! Each bands judge with all works that they did, Raindances released in 1977 and disappointed Camels huge fans (IMO). I love Camel's melodies style and I think they wrote great melodies. You can see these kind of melodies in Raindaces but very weak. Songs like "Remote Romance" hit Camels name. This is my opinion.
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sohraab
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:05 |
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Tony R
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:10 |
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No need to start bandying terms like "sexist" around, it adds nothing to the debate and can cause extreme offence to some.
I first saw Camel around 77 or 78 at Salford Uni and they were very accomplished. They weren't the most exciting live band rather they preferred their superlative music do the talking.
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sohraab
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:11 |
oh thanks god! at last someone offered his OPINION without any MISBEHAVE. u have my deep respect bro. and i think ur point is reasonable. maybe Latimer had lost his way after Moonmadness... but i don`t know if u agree with me that he had a great restart with Rajaz. and i also heard that he`s working on a new album as well...
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:13 |
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Not at all. They're massively rated around here. |
+1 Also, Micky would love this thread 
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sohraab
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 10:04 |
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Varon
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 10:58 |
I'm absolutely agree that Camel were too underrated in 70s and I think it happened because :
- they were just creating and performing music without other " activities" like organizing Great Shows (Pink Floyd), theatrical performance of their songs (GENESIS), demonstration of the technical abilities (YES,ELP) etc . At that time outstanding quality of the Music wasn't enough ...
+IMO almost for the same reasons VdGG (my favourite band) weren't so famous either...
+IMO Harbour of tears, RAYAZ, A nod and a Wink are real Masterpieces! My favourite Camels' albums(+Snow Goose)
Edited by Varon - October 11 2010 at 12:26
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sohraab
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:16 |
Varon wrote:
Good poll. I'm absolutely agree that Camel were too underrated in 70s and I think it happened because :
- they were just creating and performing music without other " activities" like organizing Great Shows (Pink Floyd), theatrical performance of their songs (GENESIS), demonstration of the technical abilities (YES,ELP) etc . At that time outstanding quality of the Music wasn't enough ...
+IMO almost for the same reasons VdGG (my favourite band) weren't so famous either...
+IMO Harbour of tears, RAYAZ, A nod and a Wink are real Masterpieces! My favourite Camels' albums(+Snow Goose) |
quite reasonable without doubt. nice and almost perfect answer indeed. but do you think this underrating has had nothing to do with their musical form? considering that the camel sound has been something different with other bands; soft and more simple but catchy in it`s own way... anyway nice post,thx
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:20 |
Tony R wrote:
No need to start bandying terms like "sexist" around, it adds nothing to the debate and can cause extreme offence to some.
I first saw Camel around 77 or 78 at Salford Uni and they were very accomplished. They weren't the most exciting live band rather they preferred their superlative music do the talking.
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Is this guy protected or something......how does not calling a sexist a sexist help?
I can't believe I am having posts hidden. What has happened around here? This guy appears on the scene and puts peoples backs up and I'm the bad guy?
Edited by Snow Dog - October 11 2010 at 11:30
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sohraab
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:33 |
Tony R wrote:
No need to start bandying terms like "sexist" around, it adds nothing to the debate and can cause extreme offence to some.
I first saw Camel around 77 or 78 at Salford Uni and they were very accomplished. They weren't the most exciting live band rather they preferred their superlative music do the talking.
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i always consider Andy Latimer as an emotional artist, looking at his face in `coming of age` DVD it`s quite obvious that he`s playing and singing with whole of his soul... no wonder if he had been a silent, non show-off guy... i would really like to let 20 years of my age go but just live 5 years in 70`s London... what a pity...
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Varon
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:04 |
sohraab wrote:
Varon wrote:
Good poll. I'm absolutely agree that Camel were too underrated in 70s and I think it happened because :
- they were just creating and performing music without other " activities" like organizing Great Shows (Pink Floyd), theatrical performance of their songs (GENESIS), demonstration of the technical abilities (YES,ELP) etc . At that time outstanding quality of the Music wasn't enough ...
+IMO almost for the same reasons VdGG (my favourite band) weren't so famous either...
+IMO Harbour of tears, RAYAZ, A nod and a Wink are real Masterpieces! My favourite Camels' albums(+Snow Goose) |
quite reasonable without doubt. nice and almost perfect answer indeed. but do you think this underrating has had nothing to do with their musical form? considering that the camel sound has been something different with other bands; soft and more simple but catchy in it`s own way...
anyway nice post,thx
You are right of course but I thought it had been already mentioned . + it goes without saying IMO . I tried to make up some ideas that I've never heard before .
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:06 |
Varon wrote:
Good poll. |
Where?
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sohraab
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:10 |
Varon wrote:
sohraab wrote:
Varon wrote:
Good poll. I'm absolutely agree that Camel were too underrated in 70s and I think it happened because :
- they were just creating and performing music without other " activities" like organizing Great Shows (Pink Floyd), theatrical performance of their songs (GENESIS), demonstration of the technical abilities (YES,ELP) etc . At that time outstanding quality of the Music wasn't enough ...
+IMO almost for the same reasons VdGG (my favourite band) weren't so famous either...
+IMO Harbour of tears, RAYAZ, A nod and a Wink are real Masterpieces! My favourite Camels' albums(+Snow Goose) |
quite reasonable without doubt. nice and almost perfect answer indeed. but do you think this underrating has had nothing to do with their musical form? considering that the camel sound has been something different with other bands; soft and more simple but catchy in it`s own way...
anyway nice post,thx
You are right of course but I thought it had been already mentioned . + it goes without saying IMO . I tried to make up some ideas that I've never heard before .
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u r right. i`m a little bit sleepy! here in Malaysia it`s 1:09 am! but for last question. i heard something like one year ago that Latimer is working on a new album. is it right? any news?
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Varon
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:25 |
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I heard he was in David Minasian's project "Random Acts of Beauty” - Latimer composed smth for it . But I know nothing about Latimer's (Camels) new album .
Edited by Varon - October 11 2010 at 12:26
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sohraab
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:27 |
Varon wrote:
I heard he was in David Minasian's project "Random Acts of Beauty” - Latimer composed smth for it . But I know nothing about Latimer's (Camels) new album . |
thx 4 information. c u around. progy night.
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himtroy
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:52 |
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Yeah, Snow Goose and Moon Madness are some of the best music I've ever heard. Not far behind is Mirage and their self titled, Nude isn't bad either.
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esky
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 16:59 |
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They were great. It's just that they (Latimer) got a little too ambitious towards the end. I lost track with their last several albums because it wasn't too terribly interesting as the first four to five offerings were.
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Nov
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 17:28 |
O666 wrote:
FIRST: My English is not good and many of PA fans know it !!! I dont agree with you Sohraab. I love CAMEL (like many of Iranian proggers) but they are not one of my idols. Camel start very good with their 4 first albums (Camel,Mirage,The Snow Goose and MoonMadness). In my opinion "The Snow Goose" is a masterpiece and one big step in Symphonic-Rock genre. After TSG Camel released MoonMadness. I dont like all of MoonMadness songs and I think its lower than The Snow Goose. I think MoonMadness is the end of Camel's golden era. Raindances is a smooth jazz album and I think Camel's new members didnt fix in line up well. I allways like Mel Collins but he wasnt good in Camel. "Breathless" and "I can see your house from here" was 2 pretty bad albums (IMO) specially "Breathless". I cant undrestand why they released these 2. Nude is very ordinary album and "Single Factor" is one of the worst Prog album I have evere listened. I dont want write Camel history. They have one masterpiece, 2 or 3 perfect album and some good albums. Rajaz and "A nod and a Wink" are good but not masterpiece.
Maybe some of us have nostalgic feelings but we must to be reasonable. We must analysis bands with musical criteria like composing,arrangment,orchestration,...... Sorry for my poor English. |
Hey 0666, You started a thread over at Progressive Ears that has gone now to 3 pages with no reply back from you. Some of the guys there are wondering if it was a wind up so perhaps you ought to pop over there and prove that you're the real deal Interesting points about Camel. I disagree where you say that "Nude" is an ordinary album coz I'd put it in my top 3. Cheers! Nov
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Paravion
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 18:05 |
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Schizoid-Man
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 19:14 |
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I partial to a bit of camel. In particular the song 'Mystic Queen'
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