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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 06:49 | |||||
1. For a start, the one I highlighted in bold type and Its annoying because it annoys me. 2. Its not your criticism that bothers me.
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June
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 06:58 | |||||
How about the fact that he's probably the first artist from a developing country who achieved massive, and mainstream international fame and acclaim?
I'd say that's a pretty big deal, whether or not you like reggae. |
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fuxi
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 06:59 | |||||
Okay, I'll agree that my remark may have been facetious, and that Marley fans might take offence, because Bob was actually trying to make a Major Statement here. On the other hand, I'm convinced that the perceived exoticism of Marley's music is actually part of his appeal. Otherwise, how could you explain that acts like the Police sold millions of records appropriating reggae and singing in cod-Jamaican accents? Acts as different as Kevin Ayers, 10cc and the Rolling Stones imitated the accent. One can only conclude that many Westerners found (and still find) a Jamaican accent endearing. No offense! |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 07:05 | |||||
None taken...not sure i hear the accents in 10cc and The Police though. In fact i know I can't. Don't know about the other artists you mention, haven't heard their reggae songs. The 10cc song uses Jamaican patois, but not the accent. Well thats what i think anyway.
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fuxi
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 07:06 | |||||
Thank you for pointing this out. Many people (especially proggers, no doubt) find the Stones monotonous, and I see what they mean, but I still enjoy the band's best albums, which I find tremenJous fun, in spite of their apparent simplicity. I guess I should have seen Bob Marley live. I once spent a whole evening grooving to some minor reggae band, and I was in ecstasy! I'm going have to leave it here for the moment. Thank you, everyone, for your contributions so far. |
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chopper
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 07:06 | |||||
I don't remember The Police singing in cod-Jamaican accents - what song(s)?
I assume you're referring to 10cc's awful reggae cricket song? That is definitely not endearing!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 07:10 | |||||
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 07:19 | |||||
Think I sort of know what yer drivin at here Fuxi. It's not some of Bob Marley's music or lyrics you find irritating but some of his 'terminally right on' fans and pale imitators championing of his seemingly untouchable and anointed status. And what difference does it make where he originated from anyway? - musical appreciation ain't index linked. Bowie fans 'rip my knitting' for many of the same reasons (and I like a lot of Bowie's music)
But yer right, no-one is above contempt |
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chopper
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 07:29 | |||||
You would.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 08:44 | |||||
As far as this site is concerned he isn't rated at all. He was still good. Peter Tosh also comes to mind in the Reggae genre.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 08:49 | |||||
Thats the lyric you berk. And its not about cricket. Its a true story of a mugging.
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chopper
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 09:34 | |||||
I know (in both cases).
It's still a crap song.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 10:19 | |||||
Well........I quite like it. Yeah.....quite a lot actually.
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The T
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 10:28 | |||||
yes
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chopper
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 10:29 | |||||
You would.
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Easy Money
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 10:40 | |||||
I'm a huge reggae fan and used to play professionally with ex-pat Jamaicans in Northern California. Bob Marley is not one of my favorites, but his popularity has a lot to do with what a huge cultural icon he is to many people all over the world. His message may not resonate with everyone, but to a lot of people his call to 'get up stand up' was a battle cry that really connected at a time when such a message was timely.
As far as the music goes, his rhythm section is incredible, the syncopated contrapuntal interplay between his percussionists and guitarists is extremely difficult to replicate, even amongst reggae veterans. Having said that, my favorite reggae artists are Prince Jammy, Scientists, King Tubby and Mad Professor. Bob's music can be kind of dreary and repetitive to me, but I am not particularly relevant to the cultural message he was bringing to the world. P.S. On a related note, did you know that some of the keyboard parts on some of Bob's most famous albums were played by prog-rock session keyboardist Rabbit Bundrick. Edited by Easy Money - September 15 2010 at 12:01 |
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 10:53 | |||||
Eh he's cool
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crimhead
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 14:27 | |||||
Lady Gaga is overrated. She's doing the same thing that Dale Bozzio was doing back in the 80's.
Marley's cool. He brought Reggae to the mainstream. |
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 17:24 | |||||
Atleast three of his very worst right there, imo. No fan of reggae myself, but I do like ska and even calypso. So I enjoy Marley's earlier more energetic songs. Like this one. Recorded as early as in 1963:
Here's The Wailers first recordings Simmer Down at Studio 1. Nothing to prove his genius or lack of. Just an enjoyable collection (in small doses). More early Wailers stuff (70-71). Its reggea by now, but with little more edge than the multimillionselling Marley + Lee Perry adds some interesting sounds and atmosphere to the production... More dub, I guess: Soul Rebels & African Herbsman (an alt. collection that covers both I think, is Soul Revolution). By far the albums I've enjoyed the most. But I don't really like any of the later stuff, and sort of agree with your opening post. |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: September 15 2010 at 19:39 | |||||
Isn't Bob Marley overrated?Definitely not. I've always heard his influence in prog music. "Close to the Edge" at 4:53 and 7:13 has reggae overtones. And, there's always this: If he's good enough for Jon Anderson, he's good enough for me.
Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - September 15 2010 at 19:46 |
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