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Negoba

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 16:27

The T wrote:

I usually distrust of police officer's discretionary abilities...

So if you encounter one on the street, make sure he / she feels safe and in control. Best chance for a safe encounter with both good cops doing their jobs and bad cops on a power trip. There's not much enjoyment in taking down someone who has already submitted. Basic Dog Whisperer type stuff.

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 16:41

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I don't doubt it's a thankless job, but that doesn't excuse them abusing their powers.

Well, I'm not going to say this for the entire vancouver area, but the police in my district are corrupt. I request a copy of their papers for an incident, file a complaint for improper conduct and before you know it, the files on the police database have been modified and changed from the copy i have in order to make me look like a liar.

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 16:55

Nice ... grand theft auto, the reality version. LOL

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 17:06

This is not really the same thing but it is funny (to me anyway). Stacy, my fiance, is one of those people who never gets pulled over or in trouble of any kind. So it was a surprise one day when we were coming home from Escondido that she got pulled over. The officer informed her that her vehicle registration had not been paid in a year and half. She was so flustered about this she handed the COP her credit card instead of her license. While the cop did not pull a gun her he did ask Have you been drinking Ma'am? I was sitting in the passenger seat trying not laugh too hard.

Turns out she hadn't changed her address with the Department of Motor Vehicles. (We had moved 3 times in 24 months) I still tease her about it.

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 19:26

Man that must have been a scary situation haha! Probably wondering "what the hell did i do?" LOL

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 19:34

The Wrinkler wrote:

Man that must have been a scary situation haha! Probably wondering "what the hell did i do?" LOL

I'd recommend following their instructions and not giving them attitude. After all they have a job where people try to kill you for doing your job. The response was rather intense, but I wasn't hurt or abused. I think they might be out to bust a car theft ring and since I have been a victim of vehicle theft, they most certainly have my total support.

The only gripe I have is that the county where it was towed to isn't close and they are the only ones who can clear me out of the system. I have finally quit shaking.

Edited by Slartibartfast - April 28 2010 at 19:37

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 19:49

I don't know what this garbage is about bad cops being the minority. I'm by no means one of those ignorant people who are going to say "we don't need cops" and absurd things like that, but in my area theres definitely a majority of a-hole cops. Not really protecting anybody, just out to get people in trouble because theres nothing to do. I also have friends who have been pretty mishandled by dirty cops, to the extent that the cops planted a pretty sizable quantity of drugs on one of them and claimed they were using it as well(proven false by drug test). They ended up getting caught having planted the drugs and got in absolutely no trouble. I could give a hundred stories just like that too.

And I don't live in a bad area, the cops are just scum bags. If I go downtown, thats where the real bad cops are

Edited by himtroy - April 28 2010 at 19:50

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 19:54

I have never experienced a bad cop. Whenever I see one of those "are the police abusing their power" stories, I tend to give the police every benefit of the doubt, because they have an insanely dangerous and difficult job. Of course, corruption does happen and when there's evidence to back this up, I am the first to acknowledge it.

Example: A video recently surfaced of some cops on horses attacking a guy for no reason. It's very clear from the tape that he was totally minding his own business.
I still think cases like these are pretty rare, and we shouldn't be too quick to attack law enforcement, since they protect us while we sleep.

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 19:55

Slartibartfast wrote:

The Wrinkler wrote:

Man that must have been a scary situation haha! Probably wondering "what the hell did i do?" LOL

Very clever Starti, always try to be clear but not provoke them.

I was stopped some years ago in the mountains (excesive speed) when we had terrorism, the cops were extremely young and nervous (Even when I look like anything except a terrorist from Shining Path), but I was with two huge bodyguards as ugly and frightening as crooks..

The problem is that because my work on Volvo collecting debt warranties, I had to be armed, so I carried a Beretta 9 MM Parabellum (I had a special license).

So when they asked me to leave the car, I gave them my license and my gun license (Before they checked the car and found the gun) and told them to verify the central compartment (Behind the gear stick) for the weapon.

Probably if I hadn't warned them, I would had been arrested for 45 days without lawyer (Special terrorism law).

So never give a cop a reason to shoot or to arrest you as Starti said, they are humans and probably as frightened like you are, in my case they weretwo, in an empty highway and we were three guys wit weapons, two of which may have passed as crooks.......So in any risk, they would shoot first and ask later, and it's natural..

BTW: This works with criminals also, I was in a drugstore and three felons entered with guns, the clerks entered to a panic room and left us alone, one felon pointed his gun towards my mother, my girlfriend and me, the guy was a kid and clearly accelerated (probably drugs), So loud but calmed as ice (the terror is inside but you must not show it) told him, "Hey man, this is not our store, we don't care what you take, get whatever you want and we will sit on the floor, but please don't point your gun to me, nobody cares what you steal from this mother fu**ers who left us alone"."

It worked, the guy took his finger off the trigger with a smile. you have to show the calm they don't have.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 28 2010 at 21:59

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 19:55

Also in the not making it up area, I had Genesis Duke in the CD player. Anyone want to guess what song came on as I made my way back to the office? I don't know, sometimes maybe I'm having way too many weird musical coincidences. Primarily prog.

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 20:05

You've had a tough time the past year or two, man. I'm glad you're all right. I'd really miss you if anything awful happened. You're so cool. Hug

I hope everything from here on out is good news for you (okay, except in the area of politics Wink

).

Edited by Epignosis - April 28 2010 at 20:06

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 20:28

i believe it's important to have a good attitude. I suppose more crappy events could happen soon in my life but you have to keep hoping for the best or be sure you don't become a "suicide chump (Zappa)". I'm still trying to cope with these bad experiences life has tossed my way. In the end for me it all boils down to sh*t happens and may the sh*t that happens to you not be too unbearable.

i didn't know I'd spark this much with thread with this. But the experience is true.

Edited by Slartibartfast - April 28 2010 at 20:30

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 20:38

Good attitude Brian. I imagine that while this arrest was unpleasant, it was probably nothing compared to the suckage factor of the flood.

I hope the year gets better for you, you deserve a respite from "sh*t happens"
Smile

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 20:45

Finnforest wrote:

Good attitude Brian. I imagine that while this arrest was unpleasant, it was probably nothing compared to the suckage factor of the flood.

I hope the year gets better for you, you deserve a respite from "sh*t happens"
Smile

Yes sir. Here's hoping for more Big smile

and less

for Brian.

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 20:45

Well, it's hard to beat the flood for worst incident over the past 12 months, but damn, I've never had a policeman pointing a gun at me. He had a bullet resistant vest and was prepared to shoot me. Presumably in the head as that's where it was pointed.

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 21:09

Slartibartfast wrote:

Also in the not making it up area, I had Genesis Duke in the CD player. Anyone want to guess what song came on as I made my way back to the office? I don't know, sometimes maybe I'm having way too many weird musical coincidences. Primarily prog.

Would that be 'Misunderstanding"?

Glad you're alright, Slarto!

I have no problem with cops in this area.

I have never had anything but help from cops, or (deserved) traffic tickets.

One of my good dirt-riding buddies is a forensic cop, and my next door neighbour is a (recently) retired cop. Nice enough guys... if a little cynical / insensitive about some issues.

I respect the job, and cops are individuals (although a certain, shall we say 'brasher' personality type will generally be attracted to policing.)

There's a police instructor (retired cop) at the college whom I'd consider a friend, and one of my nicest, most solid-ever students did policing. He came back to see me recently in his new uniform -- great guy, who'll make a great cop. I joked with him that i get one automatic "get out of jail free" card from him if he ever nails me for speeding. My neighbour down the street (also my wife's boss) has a young cop son -- he's a real nice guy, too, and a credit to the local (municipal) police.

Just yesterday I was riding my dual sport on our (quiet) suburban city street, and I was standing up on the pegs as i rounded a turn (not speeding) -- whoops! Cop car coming!

I thought "uh oh -- stunt riding" and sat down, but the cop just waved in a friendly manner as he passed.

(Maybe it was my neighbour's son... he had shades on.) In the 70s I'd have been pulled over for sure -- cops back then didn't even know dual sports bikes were street-legal. I often got pulled over for no reason but riding a motorcycle.

That never happens these days (of course, today the average biker is 50 or more

), though a year or two ago the cop lights came on behind my bike, and I pulled over, wondering why it was happening (I was not speeding -- & generally don't, on paved roads, anyway). The youngish cop was a bike fan, and just wanted to know more about the bike, and whether I was selling it. Ha!

We had a nice chat -- pretty small town (pop. 45,000) stuff.

(BTW, my cop friend & neighbour assure me that standing up riding is not, by itself, illegal, as long as i am in control of the bike. Still, it attracts attention -- especially if the cop is not very bike-savvy.)

So cops and I are A-OK. I think most of them (Canadian, anyway) want to help people, and are on the side of good. They have a very tough, very essential job to do. Respect goes a long way in dealing with them.

I also worked 15 yrs in big & bigger city hospitals (St.John's & Toronto), & had lots of workplace conversations & dealing with cops. Some of them were pretty funny! It's different when you see things from their end of it, and you're on the same "team."

Finally, one of my best buds on this forum was / is "Danbo" (Dan) a great, generous, funny guy (and with great taste in music -- he introduced me & others here to LOADS of cool music) whom I definitely consider a true friend, and whom i'd really like to meet one day. He's in California.

Hi Dan, if you read this.

Miss you around here! Take care out there.

Sorry for the long post

-- so don't read it, if you can't be bothered....

(At least I post pretty infrequently these days. This thread title interested me, though. Good one, Slart! I thought you finally might have been stiched up by republicans for stealing liberal cartoons....

Edited by Peter - April 28 2010 at 21:28

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 21:32

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Slartibartfast wrote:

The Wrinkler wrote:

Man that must have been a scary situation haha! Probably wondering "what the hell did i do?" LOL

Very clever Starti, always try to be clear but not provoke them.

The problem is that because my work on Volvo collecting debt warranties, I had to be armed, so I carried a Beretta 9 MM Parabellum (I had a special license).

So when they asked ne to leave the car, I gave them my license and my gun license (Before they checked the car and found the gun) and told them to verify the central compartment (Behind the gear stick) for the weapon.

Probably if I hadn't warned them, I would had been arrested for 45 days without lawyer (Special terrorism law).

So never give a cop a reason to shoot or to arrest you as Starti said, they are humans and probably as frightened like you are, u¿in my case they weretwo, in an empty highway and we were three guys wit weapons, two of which may have passed as crooks.......So in any risk, they would shoot first and ask later, and it's natural..

BTW: This works with criminals also, I was in a drugstore and three felons entered with guns, the clerks entered to a panic room and left us alone, one felon pointed his gun to my mother, my girlfriend and me, the guy was a kid and clearly accelerated (probably drugs), So I loud but calmed a ice (the terror is inside but you must not show it), "Hey man, this is not our store, we don't care what you take, get whatever you want and we will sit on the floor, but please don't point your gun to me, nobodycares what you steal from this mother fu**ers who left us alone"."

It worked, the guy took his finger off the trigger with a smile. you have to show the calm they don't have.

Iván

These are really interesting stories, but believe me, I would be too scared to want to do anything stupid! Cry

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 21:37

I am glad the misunderstanding turned out ok. My brother is a cop. One hazard of the job is that they don't know in any particular situation who/what they are dealing with, so tend to err on the side of caution if they want to go home to their families in the evening. Some may consider their actions excessive, but imagine if you had a job where you had daily contact with the general public, and you never knew if they were friend or foe. It does cause a bit of paranoia.

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Posted: April 28 2010 at 22:30

The Wrinkler wrote:

These are really interesting stories, but believe me, I would be too scared to want to do anything stupid! Cry

Believe me, you never know how you will react.

I know a guy who was driving with a broken light, so he was stopped and asked to leave the car, seems that the cop searched him for weapons, and the guy reacted fast while shouting the stupid cliche "You don't know who I am", he rapidly placed his hand inside his coat to take a card from the government party, the cop thought he was searching for a gun and shot him in the elbow (The cop was middle aged and experienced, a young one would probably had killed him), he was lucky...stupid but lucky.

The same happens with crooks,my mother whop always tells everybody to allow the crook take anything because life is first, was assaulted in Biscayne Blvd Miami while my sister was buying gas, the guy grabbed her purse and she fought fiercely with him, when the man took the purse (well, she thought she had $ 5,000.00 and her passports) my sister and her followed the car with a good Samaritan, until they noticed that they gained nothing and stopped following them, because if they reached the car, probably would be killed..

Luckily my sister had changed purse with my Mom and the money plus documents were not in the stolen, purse except five million soles (In those days it was like 50 dollars due to the inflation ).

But the point is that three normal persons , my friend, my mother and my sister reacted stupidly and placed their lives in risk.

Iván

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Posted: April 29 2010 at 00:28

Look, there are good cops and bad cops. Just like there are good people and bad people. I'm sure for every bad cop we hear about or encounter, there's one soldiering away in anonymity. However, the problem is that the police force should be more exclusive, thus making them have a better ratio than a random crowd sampling. However, we don't pay them enough for that to happen. Additionally, the job has certain parameters that attract a certain personality set (for simplicity sake lets call them the bully set.), so I think psych evals should also be mandatory on enlistment to ensure that the cop isn't just a thug who wants the law on his side. And while I get compliance is the main thing in dealing with a cop, despite their personal risk, it doesn't give them license to blow away anyone who does something slightly irregular. I probably am too hard on the cops usually, as is the media, but it doesn't mean they don't need fixing.