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Blacksword 
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 Posted: May 24 2005 at 04:45 |
Masterpiece means different things to different people. With regard to some of the big prog 'masterpieces' that get discussed around here, my opinion would be as follows..
CTTE - Excellent album, but not a masterpiece
Dark side of the Moon - Not bad. 7/10 perhaps. No way a masterpiece.
Brain Salad Surgery - Poor album. I'm completely missing the point with this, I think..
ITCOTCK - Strong debut and groundbreaking. Not a masterpiece though
Thick as a brick - My top Tull album, but I dont think they ever recorded an album that I regard as a masterpiece.
My idea of masterpieces are:
Moving Pictures - Rush
Permenant Waves - Rush
Foxtrot - Genesis
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - Genesis
A Trick of the Tail - Genesis
In the Region of the Summer Stars - The Enid
Moonmadness - Camel
Script for a jesters Tear - Marillion
Hounds of Love - Kate Bush
Ashes are Burning - Rennaisance
Its all a matter of opinion.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Hiwatter
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:37 |
ALL Pink Floyd albums are too much overrated!
Close To The Edge is overrated!
ELPs albums are overrated too!
Jethro Tulls Thick As A Brick is overrated too!
Rush is overrated group! etc. etc.
I dont want to say with this, that i dont like these albums.
I think all UK prog is little overrated, only because these groups were the first, who gained popularity. Many Italian albums are better in terms of musicianship, invention and emotion.
Now im going to hide myself!
Edited by Hiwatter
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Stiefel
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:49 |
ELP Trilogy
Oldfield Tubolar Bells
Pink Floyd The Wall
Good albums, but in my opinion not masterpieces!
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Intruder
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:49 |
The Wall.....the PF sound really changes on this record....the vocals lack emotion and harmony.....the music, outside of a few groovy bursts by Gilmour, is pretty flat....the sign of a dying band
Camel - Mirage.....great record but not in my first tier.....the keys tend to dominate....MORE GUITAR.....MORE FLUTE.....MORE HARMONIES......AND STOP THOSE LAME VOCALS!
Yes - Relayer.....groovy in spots.....too "noisy"
Rush - 2112.....eight-grade pomp rock.....ditto Kansas and Styx
King Crimson - In the Court of..../In the Wake of.... the first two LPs are inseperable clones.....the lulls in the albums often don't even register on the speakers....you've got to play it at top volume to hear some of the passages, so you get really soft/really loud, which can be a good thing, but not here.....love the next two LPs though
Van der Graff - Pawn Hearts.....interesting, but far from essential
Marillion and Dream Theater.....though I've tried, I just can't get into them.....I'm stuck in the 70s - not doubt - but what a groovy place to be stuck!
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Alfi
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:58 |
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I agree with the pimp:
Aphrodite's Child - 666 is clearly a masterpeace in my opinion
together with:
Camel - Mirage
King Crimson - Lark's Tongues
Yes - Close To The Edge
as best album of all time I would go for:
Genesis - Selling England
but as someone already said:
I know what I Like and More Fool Me are really crappy songs - really unfortunate !
so however I will go for:
Los Canarios - Ciclos
I think that this is really the best prog albumn ever made
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Tony R
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 06:30 |
'tis easy:
All the albums I really love are masterpieces and the one's I dont-arent!
Simple.
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PROGMAN
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 09:25 |
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Selling England by the Pound by Genesis is a masterpiece.
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CYMRU AM BYTH
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bluetailfly
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 11:59 |
 PROGMAN wrote:
Selling England by the Pound by Genesis is a masterpiece. |
Yes, mostly, but "The Battle of Epping Forest" --- I don't know, it just never takes off for me and is too long. Maybe you have to be British or something to "get" it.
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Logos
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:17 |
Close to the Edge is NOT a masterpiece. There's no point in making an 18 minute epic if it's not even remotely interesting. Siberian Khatru IMO is a classic tune but the other two songs 
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bluetailfly
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:30 |
Logos wrote:
Close to the Edge is NOT a masterpiece. There's no point in making an 18 minute epic if it's not even remotely interesting. Siberian Khatru IMO is a classic tune but the other two songs |
Well, that's just it, it is very interesting, which was the point in making it.
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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greenback
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:39 |
not masterpiece at all:
tales from topog
lamb lies down
farewell to kings
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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bluetailfly
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:44 |
greenback wrote:
not masterpiece at all:
tales from topog
lamb lies down
farewell to kings
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Wrong,
Wrong,
and ,right 
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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floyd68
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:35 |
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hi everybody
I think most of the top 50 album can be considered as real masterpieces.
However I have a problem to give away a masterpiece status right away
esp. for new releases.
Because if you listen to an album with out prejudice after some years,
then you will disciver whether it has riped and aged with grace.
From this point of view e.g.
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Dream Theater - Train of thought
are good but overrated albums. give them a try again in 5 years.
p.s. this does not necessarily mean that only old stuff is good stuff and
sorry for my crappy english
Edited by floyd68
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:47 |
Titan wrote:
Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:48 |
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No!
Fragile is the best, by far!
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bluetailfly
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:50 |
ita_prog_fan wrote:
Titan wrote:
Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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oliverstoned
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:55 |
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1.Fragile
2.CTTE/The yes album
What's left is from very bad to average
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Heptade
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 13:56 |
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I really love Marillion (most of their stuff, anyway) and I like Marbles, but
no way it's a masterpiece.
Also, despite concerted efforts, I never could get into Anglagard. It just
doesn't draw me in. I know lots of people think they're the cat's pyjamas.
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bluetailfly
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:01 |
oliverstoned wrote:
1.Fragile
2.CTTE/The yes album
What's left is from very bad to average
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I used to think that way...but since have changed my mind. Relayer, though at times odd, is not just average. Going For the One is much better than average. TFTO is better than average. The first two Yes albums are actually very good. Put on the first album (the Rhino CD would be better) really listen to it. Most of it is awesome fiery complex rock.
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Tony Fisher
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 14:04 |
6 true masterpieces (IMHO) noone has mentioned:
Horslips - the Tain (Book of Invasions also, maybe)
Camel - The Snow Goose (Moonmadness also, but it has been mentioned)
Gerry Rafferty - Sleepwalking (definitely prog but not on this site!)
Wishbone Ash - Argus (not prog)
Strawbs - Grave New World
Runrig - Proterra (not prog but not far off - more Celtic rock)
Why masterpieces? Try improving on ANY of these. They hold your attention from start to finish and there are absolutely no fillers or duff tracks.
Of the albums listed by others (of which I have nearly all) only Selling England is a masterpiece and then only if you omit More Fool Me! Oh, and maybe Foxtrot.
But it's all a matter of opinion. Why not try some albums on this list and those of others you haven't heard? You might find something new.
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