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Poll Question: What music genre is the antipole of our beloved prog ?
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Without so-called non-progressive music, progressive rock would not be recognised.  The problem is, the more genrefied and defined Prog becomes as a style, the more it can be impeded in terms of what it can be and do.  So in a way, I really do look at Progressive Rock as a genre as being the enemy of progressive rock as an approach to music.



Agree with this 100%.  However, I happen to quite enjoy a lot of what could be called "formulaic" prog rock.  But I understand this is not the same as progressive rock, in the literal sense.  But this question, "What genre is prog's foe?", is answered quite easily.  None of them.





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anything you don't like, elevator muzak, Starbuck's albums, ring-tones, radio jingles, tonic-subdominant-dominant, the neighbour's TV, the Neighbours theme tune, Tony Hatch and Jackie Trent, James Last, James Blunt, James, Not Now James, We're Busy, Travis, the middle-8, sparrow farts, dripping taps, air-conditioning, boredom, a drummer in a pub, a drummer on a long car journey, living nextdoor to a drummer, "The Wheels On The Bus", Bontempi keyboards, the sound your car keys make when you drop them down a grating, the sound you make when you hear the sound of your car keys dropping down a grating, the sound everyone else makes when they hear the sound you make when you hear the sound of your car keys dropping down a grating, relaxation discs, Karaoke, pub singers, whale songs, wail songs, wales songs, eisteddfodau, songs that fade out, "Cashier Number Five Please", Dukes of Hazzard air-horns, mopeds, diesel engines, the Piaggio Ape, The Eurovision Song Contest, The Balkan block-vote, Terry Wogan, The Floral Dance, Line dancing, Tap dancing, Morris Dancing, Moris dancing, Morris Minor, D Minor, C Major, Drum Majors, marching bands, The Dagenham Girl Pipers, Billie Piper, "Billie Don't Be A Hero", Blacklace, The Macarena, macaroni, maracas, St Winifred's School Choir, songs that fade back in again, The Choir Invisible, Carol Of The Bells, Carol singers, Carol Vordeman and the Countdown clock, Lord Voldemort, The New Vaudeville Band, Winchester chimes, wind chimes, hand bells, door bells, sleigh bells, schnitzel with noodles, gamelans, campanology, one-man bands, whistling postmen, Alan Smethurst, Guitar Hero, GarageBand, Autotune, ProTools, FruityLoops, Rice Krispies, Cheerios, Toot Sweets, Popping Candy, Pop Tarts, Girls Aloud, penny whistles, bagpipes, bodhráns, tambourines, the triangle, singers who sing with their finger in their right ear, singers who sing with their fingers in their left ear, tin whistles, tinnitus, tin pan alley, barber-shop quartets, glee singers, barbershop quintets, musical greetings cards, musicals, music halls, dance halls, thin walls, steel bands, steel guitar, steel combs on glass and squeeky wheels on shopping trolleys.
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It is not that easy these days.Disco was the main commercial challenge to rock music in general in the mid seventies.Punk took over gradually took over the media attention away from the alternative side of rock away from Prog / 70's(Led Zep etc.influenced metal).Some of the more popular side of Prog influenced groups incorporated Disco into their sound i.e. ELO, Bowie, Queen.I know there were protests in the USA about Disco music due to the fact it was increasingly replacing rock music on some radio stations (at sporting events etc).In the UK most rock music on radio, at the time, was pop (beat) oriented anyway, therefore there wasn't such an outrage, early disco was funk based therefore didn't sound that different.
The Punk v. Prog was a little bit phoney really & ws initiated by the indie music press (prog had very little independant press at the time).It was mainly about gaining as much of the rapidly reducing rock market.It must be remembered that lot of early Prog & Punk roots were the same - mid 60's garage rock.As time went on alot of Prog groups drifted away from their earlier roots, which helped essentiate the differences between Prog & Punk.Metal also had started to seperate away from the earlier close association with early Prog.Hard rock / pop rock bands either started to harden their sound & become part of the metal movement or become part of the looser sounding Punk movement.
In the early '80's NWOBHM, New wave & later general Alternative rock (hardcore etc.) developed, which all incorporated elements of Prog in their music to a certain degree, as well as Punk.These rock developements also helped form the Neo-prog genre.Alternative rock diversified greatly as time went on & increasingly to this day.Thrash & Death Metal grew out NWOBHM & could be said ensuated the more hardcore punk influences.Death metal has helped form new Progressive influenced rock movements.
Alot of music these days has a large disparity of noise i.e. Electronica - Synth pop (disco sounding without the guitars) to Ambient Techno (which has alot of similarity to Progressive Electronic).Indie rock has a very wide compass of sounds also.Indie (music in general) is supposedly meant to have it's roots in Punk, if you listen to the media, but actually incorporates a wide variety of sounds started from the 60's, '70's & beyond (the diversity grows by the day), although the majority of Indie groups seem to have a narrow pop sound, the Flaming Lips etc.have alot of Prog in their sound.Some Emo rock has recently incorporated progressive rock into their sound (i.e. Coheed & Cumbria), Post - hardcore similar ( Mars Volta).
It is hard to say what Punk (Alternative) or Prog is these days.There seems to be a lot of cross fertilisation.
As Prog rock followers (most of us?) can appretiate the enormous benefit '70's Prog has had on the developement of rock (& other genres of  music).It is about time it was shown more respect by the Media generally.
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Any genre that requires people to feel normal, non-special, to have friends, and a social life. TongueTongueTongue
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2009 at 14:07
I wouldn't say any of those are really the antipole.  I see music more as a matrix. 

Now would you like the red pill or the blue one?

In the Dean's list, I'd probably go with elevator muzak.  Did I miss something?  He left out kazoo....
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I would have to say Punk for historical reasons.  Prog was big in the early 70s, but there was a backlash to its own extremism.  Punk was at the forefront of that backlash.  Prog bands bragged, so to speak,  about 20 minute songs, but when the Rolling Stone magazine first reviewed a Ramones concert, they gushed about how nothing was really longer than 14 seconds.  I happen to like the Ramones, and the Sex Pistols too (where would IQ be without them?), but that's about as far as my punk tastes go.  I assert that good music is good music, no matter what genre we put it in, and that we always have the right to like what we like.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote harmonium.ro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2009 at 15:11
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

prog has been it's own worst enemy since the end of the 70s


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Hip Hop, only because it is the only type of "music" that's up there and can never be a form of art.Wink

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote akamaisondufromage Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2009 at 15:22
Well it certainly isn't Punk.  Punk to a certain extent gave all music (not just prog) a kick up the butt.  And I'm pretty sure that for Prog it made prog realise it couldn't just carry on doing the same stuff ad finitum (Should that be ad nauseum - didn't do latin at school) AND a lot of prog/ metal etc incorporated ideas and attitudes and even the music of many punk bands)  In some cases it works the other way such as with The fall and Can: if you count Can as prog?
 
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Strangely, there are some bands on the Prog Archives who are the opposite of progressive rock IMO.  This refers to the traditional music dominated folk bands such as Pentangle (who once stated proudly that no electric instruments were used on an album).
 
I like folk music a lot, including Pentangle, but when it restricts itself mostly to traditional forms it should not be counted as Progressive.  
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Not punk. Prog and punk often have an anti-establishment, non-conformist attitude, so they have that in common even though musically they are opposites. I'd say Disco more than anything because it is pure conformism, and is not "difficult music" in any way.
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It's funny, that our collegues from States mostly think that main prog enemy is (was) country or hip-hop. We there in Europe mostly think that it is punk. The reason of this difference is geographical-cultural: in fact country isn't known or popular in Europe at all ( almost the same -hip-hop). So , the function of urban/rural music in Europe was filled by punk ( in it's time).
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I can cope with some thrash metal and some pop - just.

But I hate all the rest. Nuke 'em all!!
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Prog rock is inventive music. Hip Hop is stealing a song and completely ruining it Therefore it's the worst antipole of prog rock.

Why is hip hop not a crime? When I go to a museum and throw some acid at a painting of, let's say, Picasso, I'll be locked up in jail for destroying a work of art. Hip hop is doing the same thing, but they're doing it with sound instead of something visual. But still the deed is the same, they're destroying works of art.
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Hip Hop ? No, way off, good HipHop can be excellent and quite progressive..no I'd say Reggae from this poll.








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Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

Why is hip hop not a crime? When I go to a museum and throw some acid at a painting of, let's say, Picasso, I'll be locked up in jail for destroying a work of art. Hip hop is doing the same thing, but they're doing it with sound instead of something visual.
  If hip hop destroying a work of art, isn't it more like throwing acid on a copy of the art?  The original art is fine...

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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Have to say Punk. Even though I enjoy the genre. It is the antithesis of prog on most levels. Simple song structures as compared to the complexity of prog. Complete lack of concern for any vocal timbre. No need to have taken any real music lessons, and a pretty cheap stage show (usually two Canadian Tire flood lights and an ash tray on an amp). Yup, Punk is everything that Prog is not.  And I love it, from the Vibrators to Green Day, they all have a place in my collection.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Soul Dreamer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2009 at 20:33
Punk isn't the antithesis of prog. Punk may have started as a counter-movement, but more against the disco sound than against prog. Bands like the Stranglers quickly evolved into something very comparable to prog, while the punk movement soon gave way to  "new wave" which is very prog-related....
Nowadays IMO the antithesis of prog is rap/hip-hop... (I don't think it was in the '80)... Rap/hip-hop has become the lowest demenour of commercial "music" (I wouldn't even call it music, especially if it hits the charts...)
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Elevator/waiting room music.
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