But which is the biggest in your opinion ? And please explain.

 

Ideologically the answer could be "pop-music", but there are too many different things under that name, and some neo-prog or symphonic prog songs are not too far from pop-music as well.

 

On the other hand, I gather that the primary aim of Progressive Rock is "Boundary stretching" - defying the "familiar" (or at worst, blatantly copying those who do) and supplying the emotional impact not necessarily through the lyrical message, but in the suprise factor supplied by the music.

 

It's not that their antipoles, is just that the concept of the genre is much more different than the others...

I think what you and Easy Money state are true,but when it comes to the non-progressive,commercial slop that we usually hear from the above genres,no way,they all make me throw up in mouth a little bit.

 

Exactly my feeling... Is not like enemies or something like that... but to be honest, there's so few exploration in the other commercial stuff that seems so boring and ugly... so... as Pedriac proclaimed: lets start the haunting... lets destroy all that other genres... we are few, but are stronger and smarter than them...!!!

anything you don't like, elevator muzak, Starbuck's albums, ring-tones, radio jingles, tonic-subdominant-dominant, the neighbour's TV, the Neighbours theme tune, Tony Hatch and Jackie Trent, James Last, James Blunt, James, Not Now James, We're Busy, Travis, the middle-8, sparrow farts, dripping taps, air-conditioning, boredom, a drummer in a pub, a drummer on a long car journey, living nextdoor to a drummer, "The Wheels On The Bus", Bontempi keyboards, the sound your car keys make when you drop them down a grating, the sound you make when you hear the sound of your car keys dropping down a grating, the sound everyone else makes when they hear the sound you make when you hear the sound of your car keys dropping down a grating, relaxation discs, Karaoke, pub singers, whale songs, wail songs, wales songs, eisteddfodau, songs that fade out, "Cashier Number Five Please", Dukes of Hazzard air-horns, mopeds, diesel engines, the Piaggio Ape, The Eurovision Song Contest, The Balkan block-vote, Terry Wogan, The Floral Dance, Line dancing, Tap dancing, Morris Dancing, Moris dancing, Morris Minor, D Minor, C Major, Drum Majors, marching bands, The Dagenham Girl Pipers, Billie Piper, "Billie Don't Be A Hero", Blacklace, The Macarena, macaroni, maracas, St Winifred's School Choir, songs that fade back in again, The Choir Invisible, Carol Of The Bells, Carol singers, Carol Vordeman and the Countdown clock, Lord Voldemort, The New Vaudeville Band, Winchester chimes, wind chimes, hand bells, door bells, sleigh bells, schnitzel with noodles, gamelans, campanology, one-man bands, whistling postmen, Alan Smethurst, Guitar Hero, GarageBand, Autotune, ProTools, FruityLoops, Rice Krispies, Cheerios, Toot Sweets, Popping Candy, Pop Tarts, Girls Aloud, penny whistles, bagpipes, bodhráns, tambourines, the triangle, singers who sing with their finger in their right ear, singers who sing with their fingers in their left ear, tin whistles, tinnitus, tin pan alley, barber-shop quartets, glee singers, barbershop quintets, musical greetings cards, musicals, music halls, dance halls, thin walls, steel bands, steel guitar, steel combs on glass and squeeky wheels on shopping trolleys.

The Punk v. Prog was a little bit phoney really & ws initiated by the indie music press (prog had very little independant press at the time).It was mainly about gaining as much of the rapidly reducing rock market.It must be remembered that lot of early Prog & Punk roots were the same - mid 60's garage rock.As time went on alot of Prog groups drifted away from their earlier roots, which helped essentiate the differences between Prog & Punk.Metal also had started to seperate away from the earlier close association with early Prog.Hard rock / pop rock bands either started to harden their sound & become part of the metal movement or become part of the looser sounding Punk movement.

In the early '80's NWOBHM, New wave & later general Alternative rock (hardcore etc.) developed, which all incorporated elements of Prog in their music to a certain degree, as well as Punk.These rock developements also helped form the Neo-prog genre.Alternative rock diversified greatly as time went on & increasingly to this day.Thrash & Death Metal grew out NWOBHM & could be said ensuated the more hardcore punk influences.Death metal has helped form new Progressive influenced rock movements.

Alot of music these days has a large disparity of noise i.e. Electronica - Synth pop (disco sounding without the guitars) to Ambient Techno (which has alot of similarity to Progressive Electronic).Indie rock has a very wide compass of sounds also.Indie (music in general) is supposedly meant to have it's roots in Punk, if you listen to the media, but actually incorporates a wide variety of sounds started from the 60's, '70's & beyond (the diversity grows by the day), although the majority of Indie groups seem to have a narrow pop sound, the Flaming Lips etc.have alot of Prog in their sound.Some Emo rock has recently incorporated progressive rock into their sound (i.e. Coheed & Cumbria), Post - hardcore similar ( Mars Volta).

It is hard to say what Punk (Alternative) or Prog is these days.There seems to be a lot of cross fertilisation.

As Prog rock followers (most of us?) can appretiate the enormous benefit '70's Prog has had on the developement of rock (& other genres of  music).It is about time it was shown more respect by the Media generally.

 

 

None of these should be the enemy of prog.

 

I like folk music a lot, including Pentangle, but when it restricts itself mostly to traditional forms it should not be counted as Progressive.  

Why is hip hop not a crime? When I go to a museum and throw some acid at a painting of, let's say, Picasso, I'll be locked up in jail for destroying a work of art. Hip hop is doing the same thing, but they're doing it with sound instead of something visual. But still the deed is the same, they're destroying works of art.

 

This would just about have been my answer, completely agree. Is this coincidence ?

What country were you from, Jan ?

 

The one that comes to mind for me is Spitfall by Pain of Salvation. Excellent rap that is by the way

 

And Island was intially a reggae label (and Harvest was a Progressive Blues/Folk/Folk Rock label)

 always fun to see that again.

 

 

when I was typing that list I did wonder of you would spot the reference - what we need is a youtube clip of you dancing

From the goth subculture there is a degree of pride involved when one of their faithful gains some popular appeal - Goth itself came out of a popular genres of music (New Romantic & Post Punk) and at it's peak had a measure mainstream success - most modern Goth bands pine for those halcyon days. Any subculture suspicion is reserved for outsiders who attempt popularity by hijacking the genre, eg Marylin Manson or by people attracted to the image but not the music - but even they are eventually accepted by the subculture.

Punk Rock only lasted about two years in England before it fizzled out like a damp squib. Never mind the *******, Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols is now reduced to selling Country Life butter to scrape a living. 

It is, at least in the Netherlands, where the OP comes from. We knew it as smartlap, named after a sheet with the lyrics that was displayed to give the audience a chance to sing a long. Nowadays the term levenslied (song of life) is more often used, referencing to simple songs that appeal to primitive feelings, held in esteem mostly by people with a lower intellectual level. It is not hard to understand why this genre was added to the list.

^Perfect.

I was listening to Goody Two Shoes today.

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certainly not Punk, not today, and Punk are different styles with some close to Progressive Rock

There are definite cross-overs between punk and prog, and have been from the off-set. And there was certainly a mutual respect and admiration between many punk and prog musicians in the '70s.  (Not all, obviously, and it was the detractors the media pounced upon. It's easy, for example, to make fun of Yes.)

As punk became post-punk, it became even more prog than some of it already had been. And while punk exists still, it tends to be vastly different from punk then - simply because, especially in the UK, punk was as much a culture as it was a genre. A lot of early American punk was actually pretty much the equivalent of prog music of the US (as discussed in the American prog thread).

I don't think it's really possible for any genre to be a foe to prog, simply because prog isn't a genre in itself, and can exist within any genre. I am quite sure one could find examples of prog in every "genre" given in the poll.

I think the biggest foe to prog is probably actually prog itself - it is its own worst enemy. Or, at least, the gatekeeping and infighting of its fans are its enemy. Potentially, some might say that the rise of retro-prog is the foe of prog. I don't think that's necessarily so, as there can still be some really innovative and original sounds made under that label - but certainly a lot of retro-prog does nothing to help the image of prog in the eyes of those who don't know much about it.

Blues is obvious, as mainstream Rock is Blues-based while Progressive Rock is progression of mainstream.

So, you're from Denmark, too, Guldbamsen: hej!, and I've been curious about your moniker, and have been thinking about to ask of it.