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Points: 5851 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2009 at 05:37
Epica (Ita) 'Confini' is still avaible from Pick Up Records store (in 1995 Pick Up Records published this album):
 
http://www.pickuprecords.it/SHOP/ListProducts.asp ---> (Parola chiave): Epica ----> first item in list products.
 
 
Notturna 2nd album 'Le Tue ali' is avaible from:
 
 
 http://www.musicalboxstore.com/ita/shop/shop.php ---> (autore): Notturna (cerca ----> acquisto)
 
 
All these two sites are in Italian.
 
 
 


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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile
 
Well... 'Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son' is a true all time Prog Metal masterpiece as Dio/ Powell Rainbow Era's albums, Warlord 'Deliver Us' album (I have 'The Best Of Warlord' i.e. 'Deliver Us'+ bonus), Cacophony 'Speed Metal symphony', Magnum 'Vintage Magnum', Rush's 70's albums (Well... First...?!?) and Metallica '...and Justice For All'!
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Classic prog metal for me is Images and Words, Perfect Symmetry/Parallels and Rage For Order/Operation.

In my mind, almost nothing can compete these gems. Bands that came out a bit later like Symphony X and Shadow Gallery are worthy successors of the three 'big ones'...
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Originally posted by Mandrakeroot Mandrakeroot wrote:

I believe that in a serious debate also bands such as Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Rush, Rainbow, Cacophony, Malmsteen, Magnum, Asia ('80's production), Warlord, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Black Sabbath... So... All those who have created the foundations of Prog Metal should be included, just for historical completeness.
 
 
Back in the 1970s (here comes the old git again) there were no real sub-genres of metal. Just heavy rock (which was quickly christened heavy metal) and hard rock, with a lot of blurring of the edges between the two.
 
Today, although I've read all the definitions on PA, I couldn't even truly tell which genres of metal I like more than others. I know the basics like thrash, black and death but after that I get lost. My son understands them all but he's only 17 and naturally at that age a committed fanboy of Megadeth, Metallica and SOaD and an enthusiastic Kerrang! reader.
 
All I know is I love modern metal just as much as the old stuff: Orange Goblin, Spiritual Beggars, System of a Down, KSE, etc, etc. But I find it hard to pick up on just how progressive any of the bands I like are - I just like them.
 
The older I get the less I'm able to categorise the modern stuff I like - without PA and El Dingo Jnr I'd probably struggle to keep up at all. Guess if I follow the thread I might learn somethingSmile


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el dingo: All true what you say. But without the band that I have mentioned (and other) Prog Metal probably would not be born. Or maybe yes...
 
Is true, then, that Prog Metal is a recent definition and that Prog Metal is a musical genre that is  not totally clear in their boundaries... And we can not do anything. Believe me... I know musicians that indicate the groups that I mentioned (with Hawkwind and Eloy) as Prog Metal bands!
 
el dingo wrote:
'Back in the 1970s (here comes the old git again) there were no real sub-genres of metal. Just heavy rock (which was quickly christened heavy metal) and hard rock, with a lot of blurring of the edges between the two.'
 
Is true, however, that some bands are considered the fathers of Prog Metal. And, although I'm totally agree with you, we can not forget these bands in our debates and our discographies.
 
I'm sharing the Classic Prog CDs from the Prog Metal CDs. And the CDs of the fathers of Prog Metal (also  Prog related, not only Heavy Prog) I put them in Prog Metal part of my CDs collection. Even just for gratitude towards them!
 
 
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If you go back even further, it can get even more confusing. I'm no expert, but some journalists have claimed that in 1964 the riff to The Kinks' You Really Got Me founded Heavy Metal. Others claim it originated from blues jams and heavy chording therein. Some say Blue Cheer (who I've never heard) were the first heavy band. Others say that Free's manager suggested they called themselves The Heavy Metal Kids and they refused because they wanted to be a pure blues band - there was a band of that name later btw, and IMO they were sh*te.
 
As much as I love metal (and I do) I still think Spinal Tap got it rightWink
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What you wrote is all true (but I know of Spinal Tap) and reflects the collective thinking.
 
Is true, also, that almost all the European Power Metal basnds have written at least one song Prog Metal (Judas Priest and Saxon have debuted with two Prog albums).
 
In these days I'm rediscovering great Prog Metal bands like Warlord, Cacophony, Narnia, Elegy, Shadow Of Steel, Elvenking, Excelsis... All arenot present in PA, for one reason or another. And I must be honest... How musical diversity present Prog Metal ...
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile


Well, many people think they should not even be hereLOL.... If they see this post, they'll have a fit!
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile


Well, many people think they should not even be hereLOL.... If they see this post, they'll have a fit!
 
I'll help them along then Raff! LOL
 
I'll +1 Jody's post and go further by saying that Priest beat them to it years earlier! Wink 
 
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Originally posted by progmetalhead progmetalhead wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile


Well, many people think they should not even be hereLOL.... If they see this post, they'll have a fit!
 
I'll help them along then Raff! LOL
 
I'll +1 Jody's post and go further by saying that Priest beat them to it years earlier! Wink 
 


And you rock, sirClap! Sad Wings of Destiny and Sin After Sin are masterpieces that would have deserved a spot here.... I am not sure we would be talking about Prog-Metal today if it hadn't been for the mighty Priest.
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^^^
 
Absolutely Raff! Clap
 
...and I know I'll also get support from Micky when I say they also released one of the classic live albums ever in "Unleashed In The East".
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We did have Unleashed in the East in our collection, but my dear hubby somehow managed to lose itLOL... No big deal, though, since it's very easy to find even in mainstream music stores.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:


Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

To me classic Prog Metal is Iron Maiden.Big smile
Well, many people think they should not even be hereLOL.... If they see this post, they'll have a fit!



no they won't!
-music is like pornography...

sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...



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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

We did have Unleashed in the East in our collection, but my dear hubby somehow managed to lose itLOL... No big deal, though, since it's very easy to find even in mainstream music stores.
 
Yikes!,
 
I hope the punishment levied was appropriate Raff! Wink LOL
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Well... Judas Priest... From 'Rocka Rolla' to 'Unleash In The East'... Well they are really Prog.
 
But also this is a great Prog album:
 
00-saxon-saxon-remastered-2009-fron.jpg image by boaman_2007
 
Saxon: 'Saxon' (their debut album)
 
...But... They are between the father albums of Prog Metal... Not Prog Metal albums... Yes... Heavy Prog albums!!!
 
And all are great Heavy Prog albums!!!


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saxon Thumbs Down , i tried to listen them but no success , now i hate them Smile
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Saxon Heavy ProgConfused? I know them fairly well (even saw them live some time in the Eighties), but never thought of them as even remotely progressive... Great heavy metal band, though!
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Is Halford doing the Y in YMCA in that picture???
 
Sorry, they're actually pretty great. My first metal album, a collection had "Some heads are gonna roll" what a friggin voice.
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I saw Priest live in 1988, when they were touring following the release of Ram It Down. To say they smoked would be an understatement... They played all their classics (including the marvellous "Victim of Changes" and "Beyond the Realms of Death"), and even brought the Harley on stage for "Hell Bent for Leather"!
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