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PROGMAN

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 07:52

Good but not my Favourite Album!!!

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 08:01

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 08:11

I can take it or leave it.Had it rammed down my throat for ages by a born-again Prog-'Head'.Everytime that I went 'round his house,on came The Wall.Soon after he 'discovered' King Crimson.Talk about preaching to the converted.

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 10:30

An important album in Rock n' Roll history, a great concept, plenty of hit songs and necessary fare for ANY music lover, whether amateur or elite.

But not the best FLOYD album by far...

In fact, not even in their Top 5

Marmalade...I like marmalade.

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 10:32

Its an album I love because it helped me through some difficult years.There wasn't much I could relate to when I was 19.I very much appreciate Roger Waters and his lyrics.

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:27

I like it but it was one of the most disapointing moments in my life, only because my expectations as a 16 year old kid had grown way out of proportions during the three years I've waited since Animals.

Thought it sounded like Mott the hoople at first, wondering if it was the wrong album they've put in by mistake. Yes, I realy thought that at first:) some 25 years later, I still am kinda disapointed, realy, but I like it, only not that much.

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:16

Yeah, this one's good. One of the best Floyd albums.

It's not Dark Side Of The Moon, but then again: only Dark Side Of The Moon is Dark Side of the Moon , so...

Waters thought that Dark Side, The Wall and Amused To Death are the three highlights of his career. I don't think I agree, but he could have said stranger things...

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:32

I neither love nor hate it. There are some good songs on there, but also a lot of fairly dud stuff. It doesn't compare to earlier Pink Floyd, and I think that it's just too stupid a lot of the time.

It's only knock and knowall, but I like it...

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 13:30

I would not say "hate". However, I think that the studio version IS massively overrated, and the music tends to be much lower quality than is normal for Pink Floyd.

The live version, however, is pretty cool, and if I get into a Wall-listening mood (which is pretty rare), that's the version I'm generally going to listen to, because the music is quite a bit stronger.

The thing is...I've been wanting to hear it less and less ever since I found Rick Wright's solo album Broken China, and Ayreon's album The Human Equation. Don't laugh, I'm serious. The thing with these two albums is they both do go very far into psychological darkness--but unlike Waters who just whines, these two albums actually show the way out. Interestingly enough, neither show you what that person makes of their lives out of the initial recovery, so there is still ambiguity...but personally, I would rather hear something that leaves the listener with some hope rather than just whining.

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:00

i always thought the trial was the way out, as in a metaphor for his own struggling with these personal paradoxs, memories and experiences?

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:25

While some people interpret it that way, I've never felt that. To me, I've always thought it was where his psyche finally collapsed to the point where he either went insane or died. The following song, "Outside the Wall", sounds almost like a funeral dirge, both musically and lyrically, as if the people are saying, "Too bad he couldn't be saved."

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:44

For me 'The Wall' is the best concept album ever made.

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:54

yes, i see your point. that song might as well be "coterge". however i always tend not to really listen (pay attention) to that song much anyway.....by the time you get there you are so drained, i have the tendancy to dismiss it entirely as a bit of an add-on lets say......maybe that is just my sick little way of controlling how my brain is interpreting the themes of the album!i dont know...like i said , i believe the case can be made......you could also interpret the coterge as a eulogy for his former self, the closure needed to complete his catharsis......or not(i very well could just like to think of it thi sway)

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:07

It is a great album. Strangly enough i feel that side 1 is where it lags. Esp. in the middle section with One of My Turns and Don't Leave Me Now. I love the album however. In terms of how many songs there are, and how may bad ones there are, I might consider it thier best album (i know i use an odd system, dont i?).

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:12

Hiwatter wrote:

progrocku.

The word just made me smile

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Posted: April 29 2005 at 16:57

hopelevre wrote:

yes, i see your point. that song might as well be "coterge". however i always tend not to really listen (pay attention) to that song much anyway.....by the time you get there you are so drained, i have the tendancy to dismiss it entirely as a bit of an add-on lets say......maybe that is just my sick little way of controlling how my brain is interpreting the themes of the album!i dont know...like i said , i believe the case can be made......you could also interpret the coterge as a eulogy for his former self, the closure needed to complete his catharsis......or not(i very well could just like to think of it thi sway)

LOL, it's OK for your opinion to differ, don't worry!

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Posted: May 12 2005 at 15:35

For me is The Wall the best rock album. The music and the lyrics, the sounds and general atmospher of this album are for me simply fascinating.

This world is totally fugazi.

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Posted: May 21 2005 at 20:25

I love The Wall, it has always been my favorite Floyd record. A lot of people sl*g off the shortest songs, but I think that's unfair and one should look at how they fit into the record, rather than just judge them because of their length. "Vera" in particular gets way too much slack than deserved. "Bring the Boys Back Home" is the only one that I would be willing to say is unnecessary.

FloydWright said she doesn't like it because it doesn't really provide solutions or clear resolutions... but I think at the point, the band didn't FIND the resolution to their problems and angst. I think if they weren't fulfilled, they shouldn't have had to add a song where they felt it because it would be forced. Roger Waters, the lyricist, didn't find that fulfillment until years later... for the Berlin show, he ended the album with the very optimistic "The Tide is Turning." The thing with "Outside the Wall" is that it's clear that Pink found his fulfillment... but the lyrics don't give much detail at all, because the band didn't know what it would be themselves. Roger himself said that he and the band didn't know exactly what happened at the end of The Wall.

FW and I have been good friends for a couple years, but our opinion on the end of The Wall have always been different. I think the poster that said "i believe the case can be made......you could also interpret the coterge as a eulogy for his former self, the closure needed to complete his catharsis" is dead-on. "The Trial" sounds terrifying, because Pink was terrified of the wall being torn down. Once it was though, the beautiful, reassuring music of "Outside the Wall" comes in. The massive wall of his isolation tumbles, he's now out in open. "The ones that love [him] walk hand in hand outside the wall"... they've been there the whole time, now he can be among them. Some are very inspired by the triumph, and others are in distress and then their own story begins ("isn't this where we came in?" - the story repeats for others). I think the movie helps my case, after the wall is torn down, a bunch of little ones gather where the wall was and start collecting their own bricks.

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