pink floyd - the wall
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Topic: pink floyd - the wall
Posted By: Guests
Subject: pink floyd - the wall
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 22:42
| i have seen the extreme of both points of view expressed in the forums.....please tell us if you like the double concept album or not and why |
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Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 22:45
| I love it, but not as much as the other "classic" Floyd albums. It might be closer to my favorite if it was just one album; I think it drags a bit on disc 2. I also don't like the dominance of Roger's style on the album; WYWH & DSOTM were made when Rick Wright was still a key member of the group, and his influence (compositionally) is one of my favorite elements of the Floyd sound. |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 22:51
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I love The Wall. It tells a fantastic story, and I personally believe there isn't a bad song on the album. Fantastic Floyd, but again, not as good as DSOTM, WYWH, or Animals. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 22:53
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Masterpiece totally destroyed by the hit single ''Another brick in the wall'
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 23:02
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With the exception of Peter Hammill, no one wears their psycho-emotional angst on their sleeve as openly as Roger Waters. So when he got down to really plumbing the depths of that angst, it was bound to be extraordinary. What makes The Wall so exceptional is that it not only plumbs those depths brilliantly, but the "composition" - particularly the matching of lyrics and music, and the arrangements - is perfect (to say nothing of the amazing production!). KE9: If ABITW had never been played on radio, and you had heard it only in its context on the album, would you be saying the same thing? Peace. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 23:40
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One of the most depressing pieces of music written or should I say angst filled. If you are inclined that way, (depressive), I would not recommend it. To me it was the start of the faltering of the great PF music machine. There is only so much Roger Water's angst that can be taken. Technically a great album - musically for me, almost at the bottom of the PF catalogue ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 23:48
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I love the album, but compared to DSOTM or animals, it doesn't live up.
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Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: April 28 2005 at 23:57
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As a prog fan, I feel somewhat sinful saying this, but the wall is
just... too long! Plus, its so morbid! There really are some fantastic
moments on it, and I love the first disc... but by the time you're on
the first side of the second disc, its just repetitive and depressing.
Its still a masterpiece, and I appreciate it as such, but you really
have to be in the right... or maybe wrong... mood to listen to it. Animals was my first intro to Floyd and is still my favorite Floyd album. ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 00:13
| good, not great |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 00:26
I still think it's a masterpiece, but that song is SOOOO overrated and overplayed... ------------- 
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Karnevil9 wrote:Posted By: Matti
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 01:36
| I USED to love it. I don't miss the album at all but I recorded on video (from TV, using pause button very often) a 50-minute edition of the movie (animation parts and other good parts with music). But I can't say I LOVE it... |
Posted By: Moribund
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 03:43
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Remember getting this one Christmas & listening to it on headphones. Absolutely loved it from beginning to end. Although I was bemused as to the (then) 'un-Floydness' of some of the tracks, the variety of musical styles coupled with the great production made for a great sounding album. I feel the emergence of The Final Cut had a negative effect on memories of The Wall - I don't recall feeling it was a particularly miserable album (a charge I've often heard) just a dark and dramatic piece. ------------- New Progressive Rock Live show now touring UK theatres! www.masterpiecestheconcert.co.uk |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 04:00
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The original vinyl gets 8/10, the film gets 9/10 , the live version gets 9/10 anfd the star-studded Waters version in Berlin gets 5/10. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 05:13
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I have always liked The wall. It's the first prog album I ever heard/bought. Over the years my enjoyment of it has subsided a little after hearing more/better Floyd material, but also as I become more aware of the politics in the band at the time; Rogers falling out with Rick Wright, the central theme of the album and how Gilmour regards it these days. The reality behind tends to tarnish it for me a little these days. As a result it doesn't get played that often. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: VLADO
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 05:20
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The album was important for me during the communism time when I was teenager. However, in my point of view, it has not aged well and i have no need to listen to this album any longer. ------------- ...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make... |
Posted By: Hiwatter
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 05:23
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My words too... BTW, Zdravim krajana Sorry folks, i have only said hello in my native language to my countryman. |
. Posli mail, mozme si poslat zoznamy zbierok albumov a pokecat o progrocku. Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 05:28
I love it. Lots of session musicians were used to record it so in that respect some might say it's not a true Floyd album. I think it's fantastically produced & Bob Ezrin deserves credit for that!
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Posted By: Unifaun
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 06:14
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a masterpiece indeed, i heard it is the best selling double album. Roger Waters may be an egotistic git but he sure can write! ------------- 
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 06:37
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definetly one of their best works. Shame that ABITW had to be be covered by people like marilyn manson and Korn. What's with that? ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 06:42
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Their best work for me. The lyrical meaning is far more transparent and the songs are great. I've just woken up so that's all I can summon.... ------------- 
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 07:52
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Good but not my Favourite Album!!! ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 08:01
| Inbetween, to commerciall. |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 08:11
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I can take it or leave it.Had it rammed down my throat for ages by a born-again Prog-'Head'.Everytime that I went 'round his house,on came The Wall.Soon after he 'discovered' King Crimson.Talk about preaching to the converted. 
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Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 10:30
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An important album in Rock n' Roll history, a great concept, plenty of
hit songs and necessary fare for ANY music lover, whether amateur or
elite. But not the best FLOYD album by far... In fact, not even in their Top 5  ------------- Marmalade...I like marmalade. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 10:32
| Its an album I love because it helped me through some difficult years.There wasn't much I could relate to when I was 19.I very much appreciate Roger Waters and his lyrics. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 11:27
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I like it but it was one of the most disapointing moments in my life, only because my expectations as a 16 year old kid had grown way out of proportions during the three years I've waited since Animals. Thought it sounded like Mott the hoople at first, wondering if it was the wrong album they've put in by mistake. Yes, I realy thought that at first:) some 25 years later, I still am kinda disapointed, realy, but I like it, only not that much.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:16
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Yeah, this one's good. One of the best Floyd albums. It's not Dark Side Of The Moon, but then again: only Dark Side Of The Moon is Dark Side of the Moon Waters thought that Dark Side, The Wall and Amused To Death are the three highlights of his career. I don't think I agree, but he could have said stranger things... |
Posted By: Andhi
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 12:32
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I neither love nor hate it. There are some good songs on there, but also a lot of fairly dud stuff. It doesn't compare to earlier Pink Floyd, and I think that it's just too stupid a lot of the time. ------------- It's only knock and knowall, but I like it... |
Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 13:30
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I would not say "hate". However, I think that the studio version IS massively overrated, and the music tends to be much lower quality than is normal for Pink Floyd.
The live version, however, is pretty cool, and if I get into a Wall-listening mood (which is pretty rare), that's the version I'm generally going to listen to, because the music is quite a bit stronger. The thing is...I've been wanting to hear it less and less ever since I found Rick Wright's solo album Broken China, and Ayreon's album The Human Equation. Don't laugh, I'm serious. The thing with these two albums is they both do go very far into psychological darkness--but unlike Waters who just whines, these two albums actually show the way out. Interestingly enough, neither show you what that person makes of their lives out of the initial recovery, so there is still ambiguity...but personally, I would rather hear something that leaves the listener with some hope rather than just whining. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:00
| i always thought the trial was the way out, as in a metaphor for his own struggling with these personal paradoxs, memories and experiences? |
Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:25
| While some people interpret it that way, I've never felt that. To me, I've always thought it was where his psyche finally collapsed to the point where he either went insane or died. The following song, "Outside the Wall", sounds almost like a funeral dirge, both musically and lyrically, as if the people are saying, "Too bad he couldn't be saved." |
Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:44
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For me 'The Wall' is the best concept album ever made.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 14:54
| yes, i see your point. that song might as well be "coterge". however i always tend not to really listen (pay attention) to that song much anyway.....by the time you get there you are so drained, i have the tendancy to dismiss it entirely as a bit of an add-on lets say......maybe that is just my sick little way of controlling how my brain is interpreting the themes of the album!i dont know...like i said , i believe the case can be made......you could also interpret the coterge as a eulogy for his former self, the closure needed to complete his catharsis......or not(i very well could just like to think of it thi sway) |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:07
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It is a great album. Strangly enough i feel that side 1 is where it lags. Esp. in the middle section with One of My Turns and Don't Leave Me Now. I love the album however. In terms of how many songs there are, and how may bad ones there are, I might consider it thier best album (i know i use an odd system, dont i?). ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 15:12
The word just made me smile |
Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 16:57
LOL, it's OK for your opinion to differ, don't worry! |
Posted By: ProgressiveRock
Date Posted: May 12 2005 at 15:35
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For me is The Wall the best rock album. The music and the lyrics, the sounds and general atmospher of this album are for me simply fascinating. ------------- This world is totally fugazi. |
Posted By: koolboee cdmo87
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 20:25
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I love The Wall, it has always been my favorite Floyd record. A lot of people sl*g off the shortest songs, but I think that's unfair and one should look at how they fit into the record, rather than just judge them because of their length. "Vera" in particular gets way too much slack than deserved. "Bring the Boys Back Home" is the only one that I would be willing to say is unnecessary. FloydWright said she doesn't like it because it doesn't really provide solutions or clear resolutions... but I think at the point, the band didn't FIND the resolution to their problems and angst. I think if they weren't fulfilled, they shouldn't have had to add a song where they felt it because it would be forced. Roger Waters, the lyricist, didn't find that fulfillment until years later... for the Berlin show, he ended the album with the very optimistic "The Tide is Turning." The thing with "Outside the Wall" is that it's clear that Pink found his fulfillment... but the lyrics don't give much detail at all, because the band didn't know what it would be themselves. Roger himself said that he and the band didn't know exactly what happened at the end of The Wall. FW and I have been good friends for a couple years, but our opinion on the end of The Wall have always been different. I think the poster that said "i believe the case can be made......you could also interpret the coterge as a eulogy for his former self, the closure needed to complete his catharsis" is dead-on. "The Trial" sounds terrifying, because Pink was terrified of the wall being torn down. Once it was though, the beautiful, reassuring music of "Outside the Wall" comes in. The massive wall of his isolation tumbles, he's now out in open. "The ones that love [him] walk hand in hand outside the wall"... they've been there the whole time, now he can be among them. Some are very inspired by the triumph, and others are in distress and then their own story begins ("isn't this where we came in?" - the story repeats for others). I think the movie helps my case, after the wall is torn down, a bunch of little ones gather where the wall was and start collecting their own bricks. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 22:48
| I like it but I don't love or hate it, So I really can not vote. Not my favorite Pink Floyd either... |
Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 00:38
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Overrated, with a lot of flaws, fillers, but still a pink floud album, so yes I love it! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Philrod/?chartstyle=Geldropdown-small"> 
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Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: May 24 2005 at 11:42
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Totally overrated! I could never 'get' this album. PF is one of my favourite bands, but I'll chose Animals and Wish you were here over The Wall anytime... ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: May 30 2005 at 18:20
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Yes, it is a great album, but IMO it's the worst one from classic PF, with the exception of Final Cut. The disco wave of early eightees really affected them here. And I'll have to agree that the lyrics are very depressing. And the movie is just ridiculous ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: May 30 2005 at 22:06
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i love this album ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 19:04
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love it This is cool...
------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
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Posted By: stinkfist
Date Posted: September 25 2005 at 19:07
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the wall is so overrated it's ridiculous ------------- how can this mean anything to me? when i really dont feel a thing at all |
Posted By: Spadger
Date Posted: October 04 2005 at 20:43
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It's truly a masterpiece, but it depresses the hell out of me. ------------- A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing. |
Posted By: Pr@gmatic
Date Posted: October 06 2005 at 21:01
| I love it, but... it's also one of my least favorite Floyd albums. I prefer anything from The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn to The Division Bell over it. |
Posted By: yargh
Date Posted: October 06 2005 at 21:06
| As I said on another thread -- it would have made a really good EP. I'd throw it a B-minus. An average album. |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 05:06
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LOVE, because I don't hate... hate is a big nasty word ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: Stiefel
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 05:15
| i can't cast a vote; it's not about hating or loving it ; i just think that musically it's a bit overrated, having only two or three wonderful music moments (hey you - numb) |
Posted By: Juhqli
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 14:11
| It's quite dark and depressing and I like it |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 17 2005 at 14:14
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The Wall ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:09
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Love the album, love the movie. But, IMHO, not as good as other Floyd works. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:13
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No doubt. It is great album. It's my first insight into prog, so I love it... ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:19
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Excellent album, though not perfect I love the cover too..
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Posted By: Jeremy Bender
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:21
I totally agree
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:22
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Like it,but don't love it or hate it.They made quite a few albums that were better. Wish You Were Here,Animals,DSOtM. -------------  |
Posted By: GPFR
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:27
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I Like the Wall, but it's nothing special. When I listen to it I feel I want to skip over half the tracks. ------------- www.myspace.com/hail_peter 
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:46
Have you heard of a man called Peter Gabriel? ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 14:47
I would agree with that. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: The Green Tank
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 20:35
| Love it, but think it's overrated in their discography. |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: November 15 2005 at 21:15
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Get Piper at the Gates of Dawn or Atom Heart Mother instead, true masterpieces. -------------  
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Posted By: Korova
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 04:10
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The wall was my first rock album so I love it very much. Anyway it's a
great album with deep lyrics inside and I consider it to be the best
concept written by Waters.
------------- La Speranza della coscienza è forza La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù La Speranza del corpo è malattia (G.I. Gurdjieff) |
Posted By: watch_maker
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 05:57
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a comercial masterpiece ------------- lalala |
Posted By: magog
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 06:48
| Even if I think The Wall has for the most part already heard before, I can't get by without loving it since its beautiful sounds and some magic it creates with ear's listener I can't explain |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 07:59
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 20:11
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I like it but I prefer Atom Heart Mother or Meddle or even DSOTM. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: genesis24601
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 20:39
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I have had mixed feelings about it. I like it, but it's too dark and
depressing for my taste if you are in a good mood. However, it can be
good (not always) if you listen to it while you're down. My views of
the album completely changed when I saw the movie. Now, everytime I
listen to it, I get these disturbing images from the movie and apply it
to the album. Key songs, IMO, are Good bye Blue Sky, Young Lust,Mother,
ABINTW pt.2, Comfortably Numb, and Run like Hell. Overall, I think that
eariler Floyd is much better. But nontheless, this is a good album.
------------- "It is impossible to achieve the aim without suffering." - Robert Fripp, from the title track of Exposure |
Posted By: Legoman
Date Posted: November 16 2005 at 20:50
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<3 True. It does have Waters whine for about an hour and half... but it is some of the best written lyrics ever. And that is all there is to it. |
Posted By: matti meikäläin
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 13:38
| i love that album. so emotional music, maybe the best from pink floyd. |
Posted By: Space Dimentia
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 14:02
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Mate you should have had a love/hate choice, because thats what I have with the wall (Iv said I love it), I love it beacuse of the rare gems that are pure genius like Comfortably numb, another brick in the wall parts I II III and goodbye blue sky (musically not lyrically in the way of blue sky) yet I hate it because the album on a whole is abit average with only a few gems not like everything up to it in which the albums were a gem in themselves, plus its just Rodger Waters haveing a winge and a moan about his childhood which he continues into the final cut (theres the album for you lot who thought that the wall is/was too short). Im not denying its importance in the history of music, of prog or of Floyd (in that it got them a new, younger fan base). Its just its very much a love/hate album in my view , so in that case its very much like marmite lol. The Wall is a marmite album! LOL ------------- Prog is music for the mind Hear your Orphaned child! Check out my bands myspace site: www.myspace.com/equinox17 |
Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: November 17 2005 at 14:31
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I think this is where Roger Waters became too overpowering and, in his own mind, tried to dictate what Pink Floyd was supposed to be all about. It was obviously no longer a "group effort". THE WALL along with THE FINAL CUT are almost completely written by Waters and the downfall of the band. Sorry, I just never cared for this era of Pink Floyd. Up until this, it was all good.......
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