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Poll Question: SHOULD VANGELIS BE INCLUDED ON THE SITE?
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I agree, that Eno should also be included here. But, let's stay on the topic, Vangelis.

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Originally posted by Dragon Phoenix Dragon Phoenix wrote:

Brian Eno first, JM Jarre second, then we can discuss Vangelis....

I totally agree with you!! but why do you put Jarre before Vangelis?



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Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Originally posted by Dragon Phoenix Dragon Phoenix wrote:

Brian Eno first, JM Jarre second, then we can discuss Vangelis....

I totally agree with you!! but why do you put Jarre before Vangelis?

Excuse me, but that sounds to me like saying; no, first YES, then King Crimson and then we can discuss GENESIS. I think you cannot say something like that because the three are far too different to be compared to eachother. And furthermore, Jarre's music is much more pop. And Eno is not prog enough either. Prog is NOT the same as experimental!!
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 Prog is NOT the same as experimental!!

Yes but there are connections!!
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But, to stay on the topic.

There are connections between prog and experimental, but Vangelis IS prog! His albums are absolutely progressive!
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Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

 Prog is NOT the same as experimental!!

Yes but there are connections!!

yes, and they are very clear. To make prog you have to experiment... But the thing I want to say is that a prog website should first concern itself with gathering as much ''normal prog'' as possible, and only after they have done that, start looking for related movements like jazz fusion, electronic, metal and experimental.
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You are right, and if you look at prog, and prog only, Vangelis should be in!
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albums that were not progressive rock(ha ha, right!),
but are classifiable as very similar!
* = not included in the archives currently

*Brian Eno - Another Green World (75)
Utopia - Todd Rundgrens Utopia (74)
Lard Free - Im Around About Midnight (75)
*Jean-Michel Jarre - Equinoxe (77)
*Vangelis - Albedo 0.39 (76)
Bo Hansson - Lord of the Rings (72)
*Cluster - Zuckerzeit (74)
Tangerine Dream - Stratosfear (76)
Ashra - New Age of Earth (76)
*Neuronium - Quasar 2C361 (76)
Picchio dal Pozzo - same (76)
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells (73)


WWIII
looks like the English(backed by the Americans) and
German led armies are fighting the battle front in
Holland currently. Surely the english will turn back
the Teutonic led european invasion!




   

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Yeah!!! That's what I mean!! All that music that is VERY progressive but not represented on the archives, and that's just a shame! And to me Vangelis was just the first to spring to mind! So, let us look out for new and old musical horizons, and expand the archives with more prog music of all kinds, and let's start with Vangelis!
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TBWART, i couldn't agree more.

Please people from Progarchives, wake up and give us the opportunity to review are progressive heroes!
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I couldnt agree less............CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I couldnt agree less............CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but you're a lady, and ladies cannot fight! And why don't you agree?
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2005 at 09:54
Because I dont think that vangelis is prog
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ah, allright.
''progression is trying to eliminate boundries''
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Points: 73 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2005 at 10:00
But if your reason is that it's not from America, that's kind of pathetic.

I you would know prog history, you would have to acknowledge that he was a major part of the progscene in the 70's.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2005 at 10:02
But maybe he should be here anyway. I mean prog fans like him.he has assosiations with prog. In fact I suppose hes "proggish". Besides theres less prog stuff here!
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Thank you, I hope the Progarchives webmasters will read this too!
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Originally posted by TBWART TBWART wrote:

Originally posted by Dragon Phoenix Dragon Phoenix wrote:

Brian Eno first, JM Jarre second, then we can discuss Vangelis....

Completely different artists!!! You cannot compare them!! 

Oh yes, I can.

Seeing that they are often thrown into the New Age part of CD shops, there is some argument to lump them together in discussions.
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I'd agree with those who call a lot of his later work New Age, but his early solo work (up to about 1980) was definitely prog. After all, this is the man who was largely responsible for 666 by Aphrodite's Child, came within a whisker of replacing Rick Wakeman in Yes and had a long and sometimes fruitful collaboration with Jon Anderson. Heaven and Hell should be in every prog collection.
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

I'd agree with those who call a lot of his later work New Age, but his early solo work (up to about 1980) was definitely prog. After all, this is the man who was largely responsible for 666 by Aphrodite's Child, came within a whisker of replacing Rick Wakeman in Yes and had a long and sometimes fruitful collaboration with Jon Anderson. Heaven and Hell should be in every prog collection.

Agree! I'm also starting to support this idea. Vangelis was in very close relationship in the 70's and  Heaven and Hell is a real classic!
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