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Squonkman 
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 Posted: April 10 2008 at 05:53 |
 Plankowner wrote:
..well it all started with a band called the runaways way back in the early 80s. And yes I'm quite intimate with my female fronted bands. Have a Nomad Zen 60G that only has my female bands on it. It's usually on shuffle and on video2 to my stereo... video1 is my other nomad, which has my rock/extreme metal, and my growing progressive collection.... I'm here cause the rock/extreme metal bands are really beginning to bore me and are slowly getting deleted... so yes, I am looking for more interesting and good music. :) |
If you really have and dig the complete discographies of Nelly Furtado and Natalie Imbruglia, I am not sure you would really get into complex progressive rock of the 70s, but, have at it..........
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 06:20 |
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aw c'mon, Nelly Furtado's "Whoa Nelly" was a great debut album knew she was going to blow up. Folklore disappointed me and so did "Loose."
Pretty much the same with Natalie, Really like "Left of the Middle," but was disappointed with "White Lilies Island" and truth be told I just picked up "Counting Down the Days" in March and I haven't ripped it to the player yet.
...and really don't know what this has to do with getting into 70s progressive rock. Just something else I'm into.
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Squonkman
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 12:58 |
a lot of us here probably got into progressive rock music as an evolutionary process, a hit and miss approach, developed over time. We were there while this music was being made. We had the joy of hearing new releases when they came out. We thus lived with albums for a long time. Some progressive music is complex, uses varying time signatures and odd meters and rhythms. Some of it is very "anti-pop" or anti-popular. Progressive music that lasts and will stay with you for a lifetime takes patience and time spent actually listening, rather than simply accumulating. Many of us spent hours scouring record bins for hidden gems, and listened to a lot of obscure FM radio which was off the mainstream, finding new discoveries and enjoying the journey of discovery.
The danger of the ipod generation, the download generation, the "I want it now" generation, I fear, is the loss of the patience, of the voyage of discovery, of enjoying the evolution of your music tastes. Its so easy to download and simply accumulate songs now without spending the time to listen. Quantity seems to be taking precedence over quality and patience. On top of that, you have the loss of the significance of the album as an art form, the cohesive whole that is meant to be listened at one time as a whole. The ipod generation collects songs, shuffles and deletes willy nilly, without regard to listening to music as it was intended to be structured.
So what I find is that the download generation collects data and bits, but doesn't always take the time to listen to MUSIC. What took years for many of us to accumulate, delve into, discover, absorb, and reflect on over a period of time, newbies want to have it all right NOW, with dozens and dozens of recommendations that they can't possibly absorb, appreciate and truly enjoy. As a result, albums and songs get listened to, and if they don't make immediate impact, get deleted or ignored after a very short period of time, relegated to a digital wasteland. Whereas, in the 70s, people may take months or even years to absorb and sometimes appreciate what a band was doing . Music is thus more a commodity to be compiled rather than an art form to be treasured and appreciated.
So what I am saying is that anyone who apparantly has as much music accumulated as you do, cannot possibly be appreciating and truly absorbing what you are listening to in any meaningful way. Your posts smack of a desire to simply collect. Slow down, take your time, and listen. You don't need to have it all at once. Pink Floyd took 3 years between Dark Side and Wish You Were Here. Those of us there at the time waited for the next album, and lived with and absorbed the previous albums until the next one came. Simply because you have the technological ability to accumulate music, does not mean you have to. Let the voyage of discovery proceed naturally---its not a race.
That's what it has to do with getting into 70s progressive rock.
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:30 |
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I don't think I've ever listened to a cd that jumped out of my stereo like this Gentle Giant's "In a Glass House"
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:36 |
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Where is that ignore button when I really need it.......... |
Oh dude you're right where is it!
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:55 |
Squonkman wrote:
a lot of us here probably got into progressive rock music as an evolutionary process, a hit and miss approach, developed over time. We were there while this music was being made. We had the joy of hearing new releases when they came out. We thus lived with albums for a long time. Some progressive music is complex, uses varying time signatures and odd meters and rhythms. Some of it is very "anti-pop" or anti-popular. Progressive music that lasts and will stay with you for a lifetime takes patience and time spent actually listening, rather than simply accumulating. Many of us spent hours scouring record bins for hidden gems, and listened to a lot of obscure FM radio which was off the mainstream, finding new discoveries and enjoying the journey of discovery.
The danger of the ipod generation, the download generation, the "I want it now" generation, I fear, is the loss of the patience, of the voyage of discovery, of enjoying the evolution of your music tastes. Its so easy to download and simply accumulate songs now without spending the time to listen. Quantity seems to be taking precedence over quality and patience. On top of that, you have the loss of the significance of the album as an art form, the cohesive whole that is meant to be listened at one time as a whole. The ipod generation collects songs, shuffles and deletes willy nilly, without regard to listening to music as it was intended to be structured.
So what I find is that the download generation collects data and bits, but doesn't always take the time to listen to MUSIC. What took years for many of us to accumulate, delve into, discover, absorb, and reflect on over a period of time, newbies want to have it all right NOW, with dozens and dozens of recommendations that they can't possibly absorb, appreciate and truly enjoy. As a result, albums and songs get listened to, and if they don't make immediate impact, get deleted or ignored after a very short period of time, relegated to a digital wasteland. Whereas, in the 70s, people may take months or even years to absorb and sometimes appreciate what a band was doing . Music is thus more a commodity to be compiled rather than an art form to be treasured and appreciated.
So what I am saying is that anyone who apparantly has as much music accumulated as you do, cannot possibly be appreciating and truly absorbing what you are listening to in any meaningful way. Your posts smack of a desire to simply collect. Slow down, take your time, and listen. You don't need to have it all at once. Pink Floyd took 3 years between Dark Side and Wish You Were Here. Those of us there at the time waited for the next album, and lived with and absorbed the previous albums until the next one came. Simply because you have the technological ability to accumulate music, does not mean you have to. Let the voyage of discovery proceed naturally---its not a race.
That's what it has to do with getting into 70s progressive rock. |
all good points, music actually had to be shipped to places or relegated to what the radio stations wanted to play till people got the albums and started to listen, creating a much longer period of absorption BTW, no need to be dismissive of the younger ones here.. they know they're young and new to Prog, and their enthusiasm is nice to see
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Squonkman
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 21:03 |
Atavachron wrote:
all good points, music actually had to be shipped to places or relegated to what the radio stations wanted to play till people got the albums and started to listen, creating a much longer period of absorption
BTW, no need to be dismissive of the younger ones here.. they know they're young and new to Prog, and their enthusiasm is nice to see
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enthusiasm is encouraging but should be tempered with realism and a sense of patience and time for appreciation. There is no way some of these people downloading music willy nilly, here and there based on a flurry of recommendations over the internet can possibly aborb and take all this in in a meaningful way unless they have a measured and patient approach to listening. For instance, there is little chance some 15 year old or so is going to digest some of the seminal Italian symphonic prog like Banco and PFM and Metamorfosi etc in any meaningful way without having some music background and experience with which to anchor that listening experience. IE, for starters, some appreciation of classical and symphonic music itself. There is some value to just being a kid, exlporing the popular music of the day, and slowly getting into the more underground corners of music without feeling the need to have a 60 gig harddrive filled up with it in a few weeks.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 21:10 |
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BTW, no need to be dismissive of the younger ones here.. they know they're young and new to Prog, and their enthusiasm is nice to see |
Thx very much!! Although he's still throwing bombs to me but really don't do me nothing so don't actually worry.
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Plankowner
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 22:45 |
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Well I believe this thread is dead. Thanks for all who posted. Guess I'll find my own way. Certainly didn't mean to upset the purists with my post. I do collect music, but like I said previously I do have the desire to listen... and I am.
After listening to Camel's "The Snow Goose" I fully enjoyed the journey of Rhayader and liked the imagery I conjured while listening to it.... Might even read the story it's based on... and after reading about camel a bit and how each cd is different I'm really looking forward to hearing "Mirage."
...and after Gentle Giant's "In a Glass House" I'm really awestruck on the pure power of this band. After it was over I felt assaulted. Never had a cd jump out of my stereo like this before ...
Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" is simply infectious ... easily accessible and just downright enjoyable...
King Crimson's "In the Court of the Crimson King" ... what can I say. Just wish I was there in the time period this was released ... like many of you I'm sure, it'd been the only thing I listened to for months if not years...
Hawkwind's "Hall of the Mountain Grill" Was already a little familiar with this band.. was suggested to me by an avid LP collector a couple of months ago... Really enjoyed this cd.
The Strawbs' "Grave New World" ... Really love the acoustic guitar elements on this cd ... Will have to spend a little more time with this one... It'll have to fight for playing time when I'm in the mood for acoustic cause right now Green Carnation's "Acoustic Verses" and Pain of Salvation's "12:05" has my attention when I'm in this mood... are all their cds acoustically driven or is it unique to this cd?
VDGG's "Pawnhearts" ... I could have easily given up on this band after searching and listening to a few tracks ... I'm really glad I found this one to start with. After listening to this I know I'll have to listen to it many, many, many times.... so much going on. After I digest this one, I will need help to find the next one to listen to ...
The Soft Machine "I & II" I was already given a copy of Soft Machine Legacy so I was expecting a full on jazz infusion explosion here... Being the last one I listened to I'll reserve comment cause I'm going to have to listen to it again erasing what I was expecting...
Eloy's "Ocean" hasn't arrived yet...
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Posted: April 10 2008 at 23:10 |
Plankowner wrote:
Well I believe this thread is dead. Thanks for all who posted. Guess I'll find my own way.
...and after Gentle Giant's "In a Glass House" I'm really awestruck on the pure power of this band. After it was over I felt assaulted. Never had a cd jump out of my stereo like this before ...
Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" is simply infectious ... easily accessible and just downright enjoyable...
King Crimson's "In the Court of the Crimson King" ... what can I say. Just wish I was there in the time period this was released ... like many of you I'm sure, it'd been the only thing I listened to for months if not years...
VDGG's "Pawnhearts" ... I could have easily given up on this band after searching and listening to a few tracks ... I'm really glad I found this one to start with. After listening to this I know I'll have to listen to it many, many, many times.... so much going on. After I digest this one, I will need help to find the next one to listen to ...
The Soft Machine "I & II" I was already given a copy of Soft Machine Legacy so I was expecting a full on jazz infusion explosion here... Being the last one I listened to I'll reserve comment cause I'm going to have to listen to it again erasing what I was expecting... |
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Squonkman
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 00:22 |
Plankowner wrote:
Well I believe this thread is dead. Thanks for all who posted. Guess I'll find my own way. Certainly didn't mean to upset the purists with my post. I do collect music, but like I said previously I do have the desire to listen... and I am.
After listening to Camel's "The Snow Goose" I fully enjoyed the journey of Rhayader and liked the imagery I conjured while listening to it.... Might even read the story it's based on... and after reading about camel a bit and how each cd is different I'm really looking forward to hearing "Mirage."
...and after Gentle Giant's "In a Glass House" I'm really awestruck on the pure power of this band. After it was over I felt assaulted. Never had a cd jump out of my stereo like this before ...
Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" is simply infectious ... easily accessible and just downright enjoyable...
King Crimson's "In the Court of the Crimson King" ... what can I say. Just wish I was there in the time period this was released ... like many of you I'm sure, it'd been the only thing I listened to for months if not years...
Hawkwind's "Hall of the Mountain Grill" Was already a little familiar with this band.. was suggested to me by an avid LP collector a couple of months ago... Really enjoyed this cd.
The Strawbs' "Grave New World" ... Really love the acoustic guitar elements on this cd ... Will have to spend a little more time with this one... It'll have to fight for playing time when I'm in the mood for acoustic cause right now Green Carnation's "Acoustic Verses" and Pain of Salvation's "12:05" has my attention when I'm in this mood... are all their cds acoustically driven or is it unique to this cd?
VDGG's "Pawnhearts" ... I could have easily given up on this band after searching and listening to a few tracks ... I'm really glad I found this one to start with. After listening to this I know I'll have to listen to it many, many, many times.... so much going on. After I digest this one, I will need help to find the next one to listen to ...
The Soft Machine "I & II" I was already given a copy of Soft Machine Legacy so I was expecting a full on jazz infusion explosion here... Being the last one I listened to I'll reserve comment cause I'm going to have to listen to it again erasing what I was expecting...
Eloy's "Ocean" hasn't arrived yet...
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No need to leave, just trying to encourage patience and appreciation, but that's up to you.
Take your time and let it soak in and enjoy. Glass Houses is also my favorite GG album, with Power and Glory a close second. They really knew how to create sounds in such a different way then our ears are used to hearing. I wish I had seen them live in the 70s, and it looks like they will never reunite unfortunately.
If you keep exploring Camel, don't pass over the song "Ice" from I Can See Your House from Here. One of the greatest guitar instrumentals ever. When I saw Andy Latimer playing it live a few years back at Nearfest, tears welled up in the eyes, it was so gorgeous.
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Plankowner
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 00:39 |
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squonk, going to see riverside in atlanta sep 26. Absolutely can't wait for that show....
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Squonkman
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 01:02 |
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squonk, going to see riverside in atlanta sep 26. Absolutely can't wait for that show.... |
they are touring over here? Are they going to be in the midwest? tour schedule link?
I missed them at Nearfest 2 years ago. Just recently got into them after hearing the Porcupine Tree comparisons.
I am going to go friggin broke with all the concerts I want to see this summer.
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 01:17 |
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Far as I can tell it's a one stop thing, progpower usa ix.
http://www.riverside.art.pl/eng/koncerty.html
www.progpowerusa.com
tickets are like $117, but probably be the only band you'd be interested in... two day show.
Only other bands I'm really excited to see are Pathosray, Andromeda and Spheric Universe Experience.
Mildly interested in the others like Jon Olivia's Pain, Iced Earth, Elvenking, Iron Savior, rob rock and Saint deamon.
I have no use for Amorphis since they lost their vocalist... only cd worth listening to was "Tuonela."
hrms... looks like they've added a band for saturday, mustasch.
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HI, new ... help with 70s prog :)
.. You may try out some Heavy Prog besides Rush that I really can't take them (No Offense), if you like 70's hard rock like Deep Purple, Black Sabbath you should really check out Atomic Rooster, Uriah Heep. Have you liked Jethro Tull? You may try Black Widow, a folk rock band with some heavy tendencies cause the hammond... Their debut has some notably Tull presence but it's less accesible not cause the music but more cause the voice. From Heep: Salsibury, Demons and Wizards, Magician's Birthday and later on their debut. If you really like heavier stuff you should also try the overrated(IMO) Look at Yourself. From Atomic Rooster: Death Walks Behind You later on their debut or In Hearing Of. From King Crimson you can also try In the Wake of Poseidon if you liked their debut. You haven't mentioned ELP so that's another classic prog band that you should have something from them. If you're interested you may try first their debut or Trilogy or perhaps Tarkus.
BTW: You're gonna get mad if someone posts something after you?? 
I think I'm really getting sick of you..