HI, new ... help with 70s prog :)
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Topic: HI, new ... help with 70s prog :)
Posted By: Plankowner
Subject: HI, new ... help with 70s prog :)
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 04:27
Hello. I'm new here, well... to the forum anyway... :)
Took me awhile to figure out I was a fan of progressive music. New bands I was finding seemed to lead me to this website 9 out of 10 times...
What I like... Riverside, Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, Spheric Universe Experience, Andromeda, Atmosfear, Green Carnation, Pain of Salvation, Jon Olivia's Pain, Fates Warning, Savatage, Blind Guardian, Rhapsody of Fire, Satellite, Sieges Even, Nightmare, Dead Soul Tribe, Iced Earth, Pathosray, Pure Reason Revolution, ... to give you an idea (grew up in the 80s so have metal tendencies it seems..)
Also love female vocals of any style and any genre really...
I'm new to the old progressive music, of course I know of the more popular classics like Rush, Pink Floyd, Kansas, Jethro Tull, Genesis, Yes, etc... I'm taking about bands like King Crimson, Eloy, Camel, Caravan, Marillion, VDGG, Gentle Giant, The Strawbs, Hawkwind, The Soft Machine, etc...
I have an insatiable desire to listen to something new every day and I usually do, often 3 to 4 albums a day. So if anyone wants to work with me to catch up on all the 70s prog I missed you'll find that I will seek and listen to it ... of the old stuff I've brought in so far is:
King Crimson "In the Court of the Crimson King" Eloy "Ocean" Camel "The Snow Goose" Caravan "In the Land of the Grey and Pink" The Strawbs "Grave New World" VDGG "Pawnhearts" Gentle Giant "In a Glass House" Hawkwind "The Hall of the Mountain Grill" (wanted warriors, but was a $40 dollar import) Soft Machine "I and II"
welp ... guess this is enough for a hello :)
Thanks, plank
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 04:57
I hope you own enough planks to create a couple of shelves for your apparent ever increasing collection.
If you love female vocals I must advise you to get Renaissance with Annie Haslam on vocals, Sheherazade and other stories really is a fabulous album, great on vocals, but also in piano based music.
The Moodie Blues can't be excluded from your list, great music, days of Future Past being my favourite, mostly because of the unforgettable Nights In White Satin and Thuesday Afternoon.
For real heavy stuff I advise you to listen to Magma, operatic jazzy space rock, filled with great bass and polyrhythmic drumming. Might take a while to apreciate it though. debut, or Meckanik Destruktiw Kommandoh are good places to start, but I like them all (as far as i have them)
Uriah Heep can be great. Salisbury, Demons and Wizards, Look At Yourself and The Magicia'ns Birthday.
are all good, my personal favourite is Salisbury.
For 80's material that's easy.
Phil Collins.
sorry couldn't resist.
now for real.
Marillion, IQ and Pendragon are worth to check out.
------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 05:14
cool ... have napster, I use it like a library :)
Loaded up Moody Blues, Uriah, IQ, and Magma.
The Rennaisance "Sheherazade and other stories" wasn't listed nor Pendragon, so I'll have to search a little deeper for those.
heh, wish u did resist on the Phil Collins plug...lol.
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 06:32
Kansas is a great band, and often a little overlooked. Great symphonic with violin, great singer and a distinct warm, American sound. They've always had a thing for the harder edge of the sound spectrum which I find most pleasing and also helps in making them unique.
Pick up Song For America or Leftoverture as first album, great band.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/LinusW88" rel="nofollow - Blargh
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Posted By: Squonkman
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 18:37
Plankowner wrote:
Also love female vocals of any style and any genre really...
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I would second the Renaissance rec. One of the most beautiful voices in all of music, a voice that is perfectly wedded to the unique symphonic prog of Renaissance. They are the opposite of heavy prog metal however. Much more pastoral, more piano driven. No lead electric guitar--but wait to you hear Jon Camp's Rickenbacker bass leads. I would start with Renaissance Live at Carnegie Hall. Double cd live album, impeccably recorded. One of the best live albums ever. If you like that, get the rest of the 70s output. It has the Scheherzade suite on it, and they are backed by an orchestra long before it was the "in" thing to do (1975).
I see you mentioned Porcupine Tree, Riverside and Pure Reason Revolution. I am a huge fan of all those bands. I have seen PT 4 times and just saw Pure Reason Revolution at Nearfest last year. Love those female vocals and melodic pop/prog songs. So you are on the right track.
If you love female vocals of any type, I would also highly recommend one of the coolest bands on the planet---Stereolab. See the Stereolab thread going on the general music rec thread.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 18:56
...Welcome my new friend, haha..I'm really a metal hater but still we can be friends ..
You may try out some Heavy Prog besides Rush that I really can't take them (No Offense), if you like 70's hard rock like Deep Purple, Black Sabbath you should really check out Atomic Rooster, Uriah Heep.
Have you liked Jethro Tull? You may try Black Widow, a folk rock band with some heavy tendencies cause the hammond... Their debut has some notably Tull presence but it's less accesible not cause the music but more cause the voice.
From Heep: Salsibury, Demons and Wizards, Magician's Birthday and later on their debut. If you really like heavier stuff you should also try the overrated(IMO) Look at Yourself.
From Atomic Rooster: Death Walks Behind You later on their debut or In Hearing Of.
From King Crimson you can also try In the Wake of Poseidon if you liked their debut.
You haven't mentioned ELP so that's another classic prog band that you should have something from them.
If you're interested you may try first their debut or Trilogy or perhaps Tarkus.
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Posted By: Squonkman
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:07
cacho wrote:
...Welcome my new friend, haha..I'm really a metal hater but still we can be friends ..
You may try out some Heavy Prog besides Rush that I really can't take them (No Offense), if you like 70's hard rock like Deep Purple, Black Sabbath you should really check out Atomic Rooster, Uriah Heep.
Have you liked Jethro Tull? You may try Black Widow, a folk rock band with some heavy tendencies cause the hammond... Their debut has some notably Tull presence but it's less accesible not cause the music but more cause the voice.
From Heep: Salsibury, Demons and Wizards, Magician's Birthday and later on their debut. If you really like heavier stuff you should also try the overrated(IMO) Look at Yourself. From Atomic Rooster: Death Walks Behind You later on their debut or In Hearing Of. From King Crimson you can also try In the Wake of Poseidon if you liked their debut.
You haven't mentioned ELP so that's another classic prog band that you should have something from them. If you're interested you may try first their debut or Trilogy or perhaps Tarkus. |
dude, how come you keep posting replies right after mine in only the threads I am posting in?
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:16
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:19
Posted By: AShowOfHands
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:19
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:32
If you are are open to female vocals in just about any genre: Try U Totem, Greaves' Kew Rhone, Eskaton, Art Bears, Koenjihyakkei, After Dinner... so much to try (I'm not limiting myself to the 70s there). Magma is, like it or not, a good band to know in these parts (Magma is terrific). And every collection is woefully incomplete without Comus and Spirogyra (male and female vocals -- the subject matter in Comus may disturb some people though).
------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:35
Logan wrote:
(the matter is that I may disturb some people though).
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... Fooling around Logan.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:49
cacho wrote:
Logan wrote:
(the matter is that I may disturb some people though).
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... Fooling around Logan. |
Fooling around, or playing this fool? ;)
1977
../album.asp?id=1150 - Playing The Fool - The Official Live
It's the cover of Gentle Giant's Playing the Fool (just since you were posting about GG recently, so kind of timely).
"I pity the fool who plays me for a fool" (not quite Mr. T).
------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 09 2008 at 19:55
Logan wrote:
cacho wrote:
Logan wrote:
(the matter is that I may disturb some people though).
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... Fooling around Logan. |
Fooling around, or playing this fool? ;)
<span style="color: rgb119, 119, 119;">1977</span>
../album.asp?id=1150 - Playing The Fool - The Official Live
It's the cover of Gentle Giant's Playing the Fool (just since you were posting about GG recently, so kind of timely)."I pity the fool who plays me for a fool" (not quite Mr. T). |
I'm sure I'm Playing the Fool are you playing the fool on me or on the cd player?
I think I shall go with Fools! huh? haha Cya Logan gonna study history! French and Spanish modern age stuff ..
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 01:38
My female collection, I pretty much own complete discographies of the bands listed even singles:
4 Non Blondes,
Linda Perry, 7 Year Bitch, 12 Rounds, 22 Brides, Alisha's Attic, All
About Eve, Dot Allison, Amanda Ghost, Tori Amos, The Amps, Angelfish
(shirley manson before Garbage), Anouk, Fiona Apple, Baby Fox, Baby
Gopal, Bandit Queen, Barbie Complex, Shirley Bassey, Battershell, Bel
Canto, Heidi Berry, Bettie Serveert, Bif Naked, Blackmore's Night,
Blake Hazard, Blood Sugar, Brigid Boden, Tracy Bonham, Boss Hog, The
Botswanas, Michelle Branch, Breakbeat Era, The Breeders, Meridith
Brooks, Catatonia, Chainsuck, Mag Lee Chin, Lauren Christy, Chug,
Cinnamon, Collide, Come, Imani Coppola, Concrete Blonde, Amy Correia,
Cowboy Junkies, Sarah Cracknell, Cranes, Sheryl Crow, CURVE, Daisy
Chainsaw (now Queen Adreena), Damone, Vanessa Daou, Darling Violetta,
Danielle Dax, Death by Chocolate, Delerium, Denali, Die Cheerleader,
Die So Fluid (ex-Feline), Ani DiFranco, The Distillers, Dj Rap,
DOLLSHEAD, The Donnas, Doro, Drain STH (now Superfixx), Drill,
Echobelly, ELASTICA, Elysian Fields (Jennifer Charles), Emma Peel,
Eve's Plum (now Vitamin C), The Eyeliners, Evanescence, Fear of God,
FELINE, Fetchin Bones, Flake, FLEMING & JOHN, Fluffy, Frogpond,
Frou Frou, Furslide, Nelly Furtado, GARBAGE, Genitorturers, The
Geraldine Fibbers, Beth Gibbons (portishead), Girl Next Door, GUANO
APES, Halfcocked, The Halo Friendlies, Kay Hanley (letters to cleo),
Hana, Sarah Harmer, Beth Hart, Juliana Hatfield, Lily Haydn, The Heart
Throbs, Lauren Hoffman (Cannibal named Ed hehe), Hooverphonic, Natalie
Imbruglia, Imogen Heap (now Frou Frou), The Indians, The Innocence
Mission, Ivy, Jack off Jill (now Scarling), The Januaries, JANE JENSEN,
jewel, JOYDROP, Jucifier, Brenda Kahn, Katastrophy Wife (ex-Babes in
Toyland), Katydids, Katell Keineg, Kidneythieves, Killing Heidi, The
kills, Kittie, Komeda, Karyn Kuhl (ex Sexpod), L7, Lacuna Coil, Lamb,
Lava Baby, Avril Lavigne, Letters to Cleo, Michelle Lewis, Lisa Loeb,
Inger Lorre (ex-Nymphs), Love Club, Luscious Jackson, Lush, Luxt, Luxx,
Tara MacLean, Madder Rose, Manda and the Marbles, Marry Me Jane, Amanda
Marshall, Mary's Danish (Battery Acid), Mazzy Star, Holly McNarland,
The Millions, Miranda Sex Garden, Mollies Revenge, Mono (Marine
Research), Abra Moore, Morcheeba, Morella's Forrest, Alanis, Motorbaby,
The Muffs, My Ruin, Leona Neass, The Nields, Nightwish, No Doubt,
Heather Nova, NY Loose, Nymphs, Olive, One Dove (Dot Allison), Opal,
Omatic, Original Sinners (x-X), Beth Orton, Over the Rhine, PJ Harvey,
Liz Phair, Phantom Blue, Sam Phillips, The Pierces, Piss Factory, Power
Symphony, Julie Plug, Plumb, Poe, Portishead, The Prissteens, Puracane
(x-Barbie Complex), Queen Adreena, Radio Vago, Rasputina, The
Ravonettes, Ramona The Pest, Red Five, Republica, Rilo Kiley, Eileen
Rose, Ruby, Bic Runga, RACHAEL SAGE, Roxy Saint, Saint Etienne, Saloon,
Salt, Hope Sandoval, Save Ferris, Scarnella (x-geraldine fibbers),
Scheer, CASEY SCOTT, Scratching Post, Shea Seger, September 67, Sexpod,
Shakespeare's Sister, Bree Sharp, Shelby Starner, SHIVAREE, The Shroud,
Silver fish, Sinboy, Sinergy, Sing Sing (x-Lush), Single Gun Theory,
SKINDIVE, Skunk Anansie (now Skin), Sarah Slean, Sleeper, Kendra Smith,
Snake River Conspiracy, Sneaker Pimps, Spike 1000, The Spinanes,
Splashdown, Squatweiler, Star 69, The Start, Stereolab, Stone Fox, Sugarsmack, Sun
60 (joan Jones now solo), The Sundays, The Superjesus, Supreme Beings
of Leisure, Switchblade Symphony, Tapping the Vein, This Mortal Coil,
Throwing Muses, Mary Timony, Torrez, Emiliana Torrini, Trip 66, The
Tuesdays, Tuscadero, Velocity Girl, Veruca Salt, Violet, Violet
Indiana, Ana Voog, Wild Strawberries, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, ZuZu's
Petals.
... I'm sure some have escaped the listing, but a list
of my female fronted bands/artists. I left some out because they are headed for
the pawn shop. :)
Just received the cds I mentioned on my first post today, already love King Crimson, Caravan, and Camel.... I'm looking into the posts now, think I'm going to like it here, very active forum :)
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 02:31
k, loaded up Renaissance's "Tuscany" didn't have the two suggested... Magma "Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh," "Kohntarkosz," and "Udu Wudu." Atomic Rooster "Death Walks Behind You." (In Hearing of, not listed). Art Bears "Hopes and Fears."
will have to dig up Pendragon, U Totem, Greave's Kew Rhone, Eskaton, Koenjihyakkei.... (not on napster)
I do like Kate Bush and own her discography.
I know of, but not intimate with ELP, Uriah Heep, Marillion, The Moody Blues... Will start with suggested titles, which Marillion is good to start with?
Know of Kansas, saw them live as a teenager.
Have to research Black Widow some disparity on listings on napster... so have to make sure I have the right one...
Looking forward to IQ.. a friend suggested them to me also, probably spend a night soon listening to them.
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Posted By: Squonkman
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 04:55
Where is that ignore button when I really need it..........
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Posted By: Squonkman
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 04:56
Plankowner wrote:
My female collection, I pretty much own complete discographies of the bands listed even singles:
4 Non Blondes, Linda Perry, 7 Year Bitch, 12 Rounds, 22 Brides, Alisha's Attic, All About Eve, Dot Allison, Amanda Ghost, Tori Amos, The Amps, Angelfish (shirley manson before Garbage), Anouk, Fiona Apple, Baby Fox, Baby Gopal, Bandit Queen, Barbie Complex, Shirley Bassey, Battershell, Bel Canto, Heidi Berry, Bettie Serveert, Bif Naked, Blackmore's Night, Blake Hazard, Blood Sugar, Brigid Boden, Tracy Bonham, Boss Hog, The Botswanas, Michelle Branch, Breakbeat Era, The Breeders, Meridith Brooks, Catatonia, Chainsuck, Mag Lee Chin, Lauren Christy, Chug, Cinnamon, Collide, Come, Imani Coppola, Concrete Blonde, Amy Correia, Cowboy Junkies, Sarah Cracknell, Cranes, Sheryl Crow, CURVE, Daisy Chainsaw (now Queen Adreena), Damone, Vanessa Daou, Darling Violetta, Danielle Dax, Death by Chocolate, Delerium, Denali, Die Cheerleader, Die So Fluid (ex-Feline), Ani DiFranco, The Distillers, Dj Rap, DOLLSHEAD, The Donnas, Doro, Drain STH (now Superfixx), Drill, Echobelly, ELASTICA, Elysian Fields (Jennifer Charles), Emma Peel, Eve's Plum (now Vitamin C), The Eyeliners, Evanescence, Fear of God, FELINE, Fetchin Bones, Flake, FLEMING & JOHN, Fluffy, Frogpond, Frou Frou, Furslide, Nelly Furtado, GARBAGE, Genitorturers, The Geraldine Fibbers, Beth Gibbons (portishead), Girl Next Door, GUANO APES, Halfcocked, The Halo Friendlies, Kay Hanley (letters to cleo), Hana, Sarah Harmer, Beth Hart, Juliana Hatfield, Lily Haydn, The Heart Throbs, Lauren Hoffman (Cannibal named Ed hehe), Hooverphonic, Natalie Imbruglia, Imogen Heap (now Frou Frou), The Indians, The Innocence Mission, Ivy, Jack off Jill (now Scarling), The Januaries, JANE JENSEN, jewel, JOYDROP, Jucifier, Brenda Kahn, Katastrophy Wife (ex-Babes in Toyland), Katydids, Katell Keineg, Kidneythieves, Killing Heidi, The kills, Kittie, Komeda, Karyn Kuhl (ex Sexpod), L7, Lacuna Coil, Lamb, Lava Baby, Avril Lavigne, Letters to Cleo, Michelle Lewis, Lisa Loeb, Inger Lorre (ex-Nymphs), Love Club, Luscious Jackson, Lush, Luxt, Luxx, Tara MacLean, Madder Rose, Manda and the Marbles, Marry Me Jane, Amanda Marshall, Mary's Danish (Battery Acid), Mazzy Star, Holly McNarland, The Millions, Miranda Sex Garden, Mollies Revenge, Mono (Marine Research), Abra Moore, Morcheeba, Morella's Forrest, Alanis, Motorbaby, The Muffs, My Ruin, Leona Neass, The Nields, Nightwish, No Doubt, Heather Nova, NY Loose, Nymphs, Olive, One Dove (Dot Allison), Opal, Omatic, Original Sinners (x-X), Beth Orton, Over the Rhine, PJ Harvey, Liz Phair, Phantom Blue, Sam Phillips, The Pierces, Piss Factory, Power Symphony, Julie Plug, Plumb, Poe, Portishead, The Prissteens, Puracane (x-Barbie Complex), Queen Adreena, Radio Vago, Rasputina, The Ravonettes, Ramona The Pest, Red Five, Republica, Rilo Kiley, Eileen Rose, Ruby, Bic Runga, RACHAEL SAGE, Roxy Saint, Saint Etienne, Saloon, Salt, Hope Sandoval, Save Ferris, Scarnella (x-geraldine fibbers), Scheer, CASEY SCOTT, Scratching Post, Shea Seger, September 67, Sexpod, Shakespeare's Sister, Bree Sharp, Shelby Starner, SHIVAREE, The Shroud, Silver fish, Sinboy, Sinergy, Sing Sing (x-Lush), Single Gun Theory, SKINDIVE, Skunk Anansie (now Skin), Sarah Slean, Sleeper, Kendra Smith, Snake River Conspiracy, Sneaker Pimps, Spike 1000, The Spinanes, Splashdown, Squatweiler, Star 69, The Start, Stereolab, Stone Fox, Sugarsmack, Sun 60 (joan Jones now solo), The Sundays, The Superjesus, Supreme Beings of Leisure, Switchblade Symphony, Tapping the Vein, This Mortal Coil, Throwing Muses, Mary Timony, Torrez, Emiliana Torrini, Trip 66, The Tuesdays, Tuscadero, Velocity Girl, Veruca Salt, Violet, Violet Indiana, Ana Voog, Wild Strawberries, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, ZuZu's Petals.
... I'm sure some have escaped the listing, but a list of my female fronted bands/artists. I left some out because they are headed for the pawn shop. :)
Just received the cds I mentioned on my first post today, already love King Crimson, Caravan, and Camel.... I'm looking into the posts now, think I'm going to like it here, very active forum :)
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and you are looking for more music????
Dude, do you really even listen to all that in any kind of in depth manner? Or are you just collecting music to add to the numbers? Or worse, did you go to Wikipedia and print out the names of every band with female vocalists from the last 20 years?
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 05:14
I'd recommend some of the Italian bands - start with PFM (Premiata Forneria Marconi) - you can't go wrong with their first 3 albums.
If you're feeling adventurous, and like the spacerock side of things, there's some great stuff in the Kosmiche (Kraut Rock) bands - try Kraftwerk's debut album and Amon Duul II.
My favourite Hawkwind album has always been Sonic Attack - it's much heavier than their earlier offerings and more cleanly produced (more cleanly, NOT cleanly ) - although it's an '80s release.
Expand your Camel collection with "Mirage" - it's a real grower. Even if you like it on first listen, you'll like it even more with subsequent listens.
Finally, surprise yourself with a copy of "Crime of the Century" by Supertramp. Utterly sublime, while not being completely "out there".
All entry-level stuff, but, I think, music that grows with you.
------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 05:21
..well it all started with a band called the runaways way back in the early 80s. And yes I'm quite intimate with my female fronted bands. Have a Nomad Zen 60G that only has my female bands on it. It's usually on shuffle and on video2 to my stereo... video1 is my other nomad, which has my rock/extreme metal, and my growing progressive collection.... I'm here cause the rock/extreme metal bands are really beginning to bore me and are slowly getting deleted... so yes, I am looking for more interesting and good music. :)
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Posted By: Squonkman
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 05:53
Plankowner wrote:
..well it all started with a band called the runaways way back in the early 80s. And yes I'm quite intimate with my female fronted bands. Have a Nomad Zen 60G that only has my female bands on it. It's usually on shuffle and on video2 to my stereo... video1 is my other nomad, which has my rock/extreme metal, and my growing progressive collection.... I'm here cause the rock/extreme metal bands are really beginning to bore me and are slowly getting deleted... so yes, I am looking for more interesting and good music. :) |
If you really have and dig the complete discographies of Nelly Furtado and Natalie Imbruglia, I am not sure you would really get into complex progressive rock of the 70s, but, have at it..........
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 06:20
aw c'mon, Nelly Furtado's "Whoa Nelly" was a great debut album knew she was going to blow up. Folklore disappointed me and so did "Loose."
Pretty much the same with Natalie, Really like "Left of the Middle," but was disappointed with "White Lilies Island" and truth be told I just picked up "Counting Down the Days" in March and I haven't ripped it to the player yet.
...and really don't know what this has to do with getting into 70s progressive rock. Just something else I'm into.
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Posted By: Squonkman
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 12:58
a lot of us here probably got into progressive rock music as an evolutionary process, a hit and miss approach, developed over time. We were there while this music was being made. We had the joy of hearing new releases when they came out. We thus lived with albums for a long time. Some progressive music is complex, uses varying time signatures and odd meters and rhythms. Some of it is very "anti-pop" or anti-popular. Progressive music that lasts and will stay with you for a lifetime takes patience and time spent actually listening, rather than simply accumulating. Many of us spent hours scouring record bins for hidden gems, and listened to a lot of obscure FM radio which was off the mainstream, finding new discoveries and enjoying the journey of discovery.
The danger of the ipod generation, the download generation, the "I want it now" generation, I fear, is the loss of the patience, of the voyage of discovery, of enjoying the evolution of your music tastes. Its so easy to download and simply accumulate songs now without spending the time to listen. Quantity seems to be taking precedence over quality and patience. On top of that, you have the loss of the significance of the album as an art form, the cohesive whole that is meant to be listened at one time as a whole. The ipod generation collects songs, shuffles and deletes willy nilly, without regard to listening to music as it was intended to be structured.
So what I find is that the download generation collects data and bits, but doesn't always take the time to listen to MUSIC. What took years for many of us to accumulate, delve into, discover, absorb, and reflect on over a period of time, newbies want to have it all right NOW, with dozens and dozens of recommendations that they can't possibly absorb, appreciate and truly enjoy. As a result, albums and songs get listened to, and if they don't make immediate impact, get deleted or ignored after a very short period of time, relegated to a digital wasteland. Whereas, in the 70s, people may take months or even years to absorb and sometimes appreciate what a band was doing . Music is thus more a commodity to be compiled rather than an art form to be treasured and appreciated.
So what I am saying is that anyone who apparantly has as much music accumulated as you do, cannot possibly be appreciating and truly absorbing what you are listening to in any meaningful way. Your posts smack of a desire to simply collect. Slow down, take your time, and listen. You don't need to have it all at once. Pink Floyd took 3 years between Dark Side and Wish You Were Here. Those of us there at the time waited for the next album, and lived with and absorbed the previous albums until the next one came. Simply because you have the technological ability to accumulate music, does not mean you have to. Let the voyage of discovery proceed naturally---its not a race.
That's what it has to do with getting into 70s progressive rock.
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:30
I don't think I've ever listened to a cd that jumped out of my stereo like this Gentle Giant's "In a Glass House"
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:36
Squonkman wrote:
Where is that ignore button when I really need it.......... |
Oh dude you're right where is it!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 20:55
Squonkman wrote:
a lot of us here probably got into progressive rock music as an evolutionary process, a hit and miss approach, developed over time. We were there while this music was being made. We had the joy of hearing new releases when they came out. We thus lived with albums for a long time. Some progressive music is complex, uses varying time signatures and odd meters and rhythms. Some of it is very "anti-pop" or anti-popular. Progressive music that lasts and will stay with you for a lifetime takes patience and time spent actually listening, rather than simply accumulating. Many of us spent hours scouring record bins for hidden gems, and listened to a lot of obscure FM radio which was off the mainstream, finding new discoveries and enjoying the journey of discovery.
The danger of the ipod generation, the download generation, the "I want it now" generation, I fear, is the loss of the patience, of the voyage of discovery, of enjoying the evolution of your music tastes. Its so easy to download and simply accumulate songs now without spending the time to listen. Quantity seems to be taking precedence over quality and patience. On top of that, you have the loss of the significance of the album as an art form, the cohesive whole that is meant to be listened at one time as a whole. The ipod generation collects songs, shuffles and deletes willy nilly, without regard to listening to music as it was intended to be structured.
So what I find is that the download generation collects data and bits, but doesn't always take the time to listen to MUSIC. What took years for many of us to accumulate, delve into, discover, absorb, and reflect on over a period of time, newbies want to have it all right NOW, with dozens and dozens of recommendations that they can't possibly absorb, appreciate and truly enjoy. As a result, albums and songs get listened to, and if they don't make immediate impact, get deleted or ignored after a very short period of time, relegated to a digital wasteland. Whereas, in the 70s, people may take months or even years to absorb and sometimes appreciate what a band was doing . Music is thus more a commodity to be compiled rather than an art form to be treasured and appreciated.
So what I am saying is that anyone who apparantly has as much music accumulated as you do, cannot possibly be appreciating and truly absorbing what you are listening to in any meaningful way. Your posts smack of a desire to simply collect. Slow down, take your time, and listen. You don't need to have it all at once. Pink Floyd took 3 years between Dark Side and Wish You Were Here. Those of us there at the time waited for the next album, and lived with and absorbed the previous albums until the next one came. Simply because you have the technological ability to accumulate music, does not mean you have to. Let the voyage of discovery proceed naturally---its not a race.
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all good points, music actually had to be shipped to places or relegated to what the radio stations wanted to play till people got the albums and started to listen, creating a much longer period of absorption
BTW, no need to be dismissive of the younger ones here.. they know they're young and new to Prog, and their enthusiasm is nice to see
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Posted By: Squonkman
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 21:03
Atavachron wrote:
all good points, music actually had to be shipped to places or relegated to what the radio stations wanted to play till people got the albums and started to listen, creating a much longer period of absorption
BTW, no need to be dismissive of the younger ones here.. they know they're young and new to Prog, and their enthusiasm is nice to see
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enthusiasm is encouraging but should be tempered with realism and a sense of patience and time for appreciation. There is no way some of these people downloading music willy nilly, here and there based on a flurry of recommendations over the internet can possibly aborb and take all this in in a meaningful way unless they have a measured and patient approach to listening. For instance, there is little chance some 15 year old or so is going to digest some of the seminal Italian symphonic prog like Banco and PFM and Metamorfosi etc in any meaningful way without having some music background and experience with which to anchor that listening experience. IE, for starters, some appreciation of classical and symphonic music itself. There is some value to just being a kid, exlporing the popular music of the day, and slowly getting into the more underground corners of music without feeling the need to have a 60 gig harddrive filled up with it in a few weeks.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 21:10
Atavachron wrote:
BTW, no need to be dismissive of the younger ones here.. they know they're young and new to Prog, and their enthusiasm is nice to see |
Thx very much!! Although he's still throwing bombs to me but really don't do me nothing so don't actually worry.
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 22:45
Well I believe this thread is dead. Thanks for all who posted. Guess I'll find my own way. Certainly didn't mean to upset the purists with my post. I do collect music, but like I said previously I do have the desire to listen... and I am.
After listening to Camel's "The Snow Goose" I fully enjoyed the journey of Rhayader and liked the imagery I conjured while listening to it.... Might even read the story it's based on... and after reading about camel a bit and how each cd is different I'm really looking forward to hearing "Mirage."
...and after Gentle Giant's "In a Glass House" I'm really awestruck on the pure power of this band. After it was over I felt assaulted. Never had a cd jump out of my stereo like this before ...
Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" is simply infectious ... easily accessible and just downright enjoyable...
King Crimson's "In the Court of the Crimson King" ... what can I say. Just wish I was there in the time period this was released ... like many of you I'm sure, it'd been the only thing I listened to for months if not years...
Hawkwind's "Hall of the Mountain Grill" Was already a little familiar with this band.. was suggested to me by an avid LP collector a couple of months ago... Really enjoyed this cd.
The Strawbs' "Grave New World" ... Really love the acoustic guitar elements on this cd ... Will have to spend a little more time with this one... It'll have to fight for playing time when I'm in the mood for acoustic cause right now Green Carnation's "Acoustic Verses" and Pain of Salvation's "12:05" has my attention when I'm in this mood... are all their cds acoustically driven or is it unique to this cd?
VDGG's "Pawnhearts" ... I could have easily given up on this band after searching and listening to a few tracks ... I'm really glad I found this one to start with. After listening to this I know I'll have to listen to it many, many, many times.... so much going on. After I digest this one, I will need help to find the next one to listen to ...
The Soft Machine "I & II" I was already given a copy of Soft Machine Legacy so I was expecting a full on jazz infusion explosion here... Being the last one I listened to I'll reserve comment cause I'm going to have to listen to it again erasing what I was expecting...
Eloy's "Ocean" hasn't arrived yet...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 10 2008 at 23:10
Plankowner wrote:
Well I believe this thread is dead. Thanks for all who posted. Guess I'll find my own way. ...and after Gentle Giant's "In a Glass House" I'm really awestruck on the pure power of this band. After it was over I felt assaulted. Never had a cd jump out of my stereo like this before ...
Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" is simply infectious ... easily accessible and just downright enjoyable...
King Crimson's "In the Court of the Crimson King" ... what can I say. Just wish I was there in the time period this was released ... like many of you I'm sure, it'd been the only thing I listened to for months if not years...
VDGG's "Pawnhearts" ... I could have easily given up on this band after searching and listening to a few tracks ... I'm really glad I found this one to start with. After listening to this I know I'll have to listen to it many, many, many times.... so much going on. After I digest this one, I will need help to find the next one to listen to ...
The Soft Machine "I & II" I was already given a copy of Soft Machine Legacy so I was expecting a full on jazz infusion explosion here... Being the last one I listened to I'll reserve comment cause I'm going to have to listen to it again erasing what I was expecting... |
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Posted By: Squonkman
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 00:22
Plankowner wrote:
Well I believe this thread is dead. Thanks for all who posted. Guess I'll find my own way. Certainly didn't mean to upset the purists with my post. I do collect music, but like I said previously I do have the desire to listen... and I am.
After listening to Camel's "The Snow Goose" I fully enjoyed the journey of Rhayader and liked the imagery I conjured while listening to it.... Might even read the story it's based on... and after reading about camel a bit and how each cd is different I'm really looking forward to hearing "Mirage."
...and after Gentle Giant's "In a Glass House" I'm really awestruck on the pure power of this band. After it was over I felt assaulted. Never had a cd jump out of my stereo like this before ...
Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" is simply infectious ... easily accessible and just downright enjoyable...
King Crimson's "In the Court of the Crimson King" ... what can I say. Just wish I was there in the time period this was released ... like many of you I'm sure, it'd been the only thing I listened to for months if not years...
Hawkwind's "Hall of the Mountain Grill" Was already a little familiar with this band.. was suggested to me by an avid LP collector a couple of months ago... Really enjoyed this cd.
The Strawbs' "Grave New World" ... Really love the acoustic guitar elements on this cd ... Will have to spend a little more time with this one... It'll have to fight for playing time when I'm in the mood for acoustic cause right now Green Carnation's "Acoustic Verses" and Pain of Salvation's "12:05" has my attention when I'm in this mood... are all their cds acoustically driven or is it unique to this cd?
VDGG's "Pawnhearts" ... I could have easily given up on this band after searching and listening to a few tracks ... I'm really glad I found this one to start with. After listening to this I know I'll have to listen to it many, many, many times.... so much going on. After I digest this one, I will need help to find the next one to listen to ...
The Soft Machine "I & II" I was already given a copy of Soft Machine Legacy so I was expecting a full on jazz infusion explosion here... Being the last one I listened to I'll reserve comment cause I'm going to have to listen to it again erasing what I was expecting...
Eloy's "Ocean" hasn't arrived yet...
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No need to leave, just trying to encourage patience and appreciation, but that's up to you.
Take your time and let it soak in and enjoy. Glass Houses is also my favorite GG album, with Power and Glory a close second. They really knew how to create sounds in such a different way then our ears are used to hearing. I wish I had seen them live in the 70s, and it looks like they will never reunite unfortunately.
If you keep exploring Camel, don't pass over the song "Ice" from I Can See Your House from Here. One of the greatest guitar instrumentals ever. When I saw Andy Latimer playing it live a few years back at Nearfest, tears welled up in the eyes, it was so gorgeous.
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 00:39
squonk, going to see riverside in atlanta sep 26. Absolutely can't wait for that show....
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Posted By: Squonkman
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 01:02
Plankowner wrote:
squonk, going to see riverside in atlanta sep 26. Absolutely can't wait for that show.... |
they are touring over here? Are they going to be in the midwest? tour schedule link?
I missed them at Nearfest 2 years ago. Just recently got into them after hearing the Porcupine Tree comparisons.
I am going to go friggin broke with all the concerts I want to see this summer.
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: April 11 2008 at 01:17
Far as I can tell it's a one stop thing, progpower usa ix.
http://www.riverside.art.pl/eng/koncerty.html
www.progpowerusa.com
tickets are like $117, but probably be the only band you'd be interested in... two day show.
Only other bands I'm really excited to see are Pathosray, Andromeda and Spheric Universe Experience.
Mildly interested in the others like Jon Olivia's Pain, Iced Earth, Elvenking, Iron Savior, rob rock and Saint deamon.
I have no use for Amorphis since they lost their vocalist... only cd worth listening to was "Tuonela."
hrms... looks like they've added a band for saturday, mustasch.
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