Forum Home Forum Home > Topics not related to music > General discussions
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - For the young ones not.
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedFor the young ones not.

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>
Author
Message
frenchie View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 30 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2234
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:45
arent you lovely!

sounds like you aint giving modern prog a chance, or maybe you are living in the past like jethro tull i believe, your missing out on some brilliant stuff, get with the times man! Well i will listen and review ELP, and i hope you read it! So much for trying to be nice to you.

btw, that whole lyrics thing was a JOKE, have a heart, i dont particularly think either lyrics are better or worse, its all opinion man, some ppl prolly do prefer cat food to elp, i mean i am perfect but are you! i guess it takes guts to make such a claim, or maybe ELP were eating too much cat food at the time!

I wanna be your friend man, feel free to bash The Mars Volta and stuff as much as you want, even if i turned into an ELP fan i wud still bash em cos i just dont care, and i like a challenge and some humour! But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em off cos they are modern or look gothic, and btw if you think thats gothic you aint seen nothing!
The Worthless Recluse
Back to Top
Reed Lover View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
Status: Offline
Points: 5187
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:47

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



 But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em !

Hey,stop taking cheap shots at Threefates,lad!Angry

Wink




Back to Top
The-Bullet View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 23 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 401
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:48
Don't cut yourself Reed

"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Forum Guest Group
Forum Guest Group
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:56

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

arent you lovely!

sounds like you aint giving modern prog a chance, or maybe you are living in the past like jethro tull i believe, your missing out on some brilliant stuff, get with the times man! Well i will listen and review ELP, and i hope you read it! So much for trying to be nice to you.

btw, that whole lyrics thing was a JOKE, have a heart, i dont particularly think either lyrics are better or worse, its all opinion man, some ppl prolly do prefer cat food to elp, i mean i am perfect but are you! i guess it takes guts to make such a claim, or maybe ELP were eating too much cat food at the time!

I wanna be your friend man, feel free to bash The Mars Volta and stuff as much as you want, even if i turned into an ELP fan i wud still bash em cos i just dont care, and i like a challenge and some humour! But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em off cos they are modern or look gothic, and btw if you think thats gothic you aint seen nothing!

 

Yes i am loverly when someone winds me the wrong way!

I won't give modern prog a chance cos i've heard all i can take.& i'm afraid i'm not missing out on anything at all.You cannot be nice to me Frenchie when you've just blasted ELP & King crimson at the same time.Joking or not it's personal ok!

I don't go bashing any particular band at one time the whole new race of so called prog is really bad.The original early prog is absolutly everything to me,the style,lyrics,the raw production,limited instruments of the time,bizzare lyrics etc all fantastic,time & fashion completely destroyed this all,you could hear it through the years the aweful progression of styles which is ironic but i know...The musicians actually destroyed themselves following the fashion,be it keeping up with trends such as the punk revolution or record companies sticking the foot dowN,either way it was done & so was prog.These new artists have absolutly no idea,they can't & never will.

 



Edited by Karnevil9
Back to Top
frenchie View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: July 30 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2234
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 18:30
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

arent you lovely!

sounds like you aint giving modern prog a chance, or maybe you are living in the past like jethro tull i believe, your missing out on some brilliant stuff, get with the times man! Well i will listen and review ELP, and i hope you read it! So much for trying to be nice to you.

btw, that whole lyrics thing was a JOKE, have a heart, i dont particularly think either lyrics are better or worse, its all opinion man, some ppl prolly do prefer cat food to elp, i mean i am perfect but are you! i guess it takes guts to make such a claim, or maybe ELP were eating too much cat food at the time!

I wanna be your friend man, feel free to bash The Mars Volta and stuff as much as you want, even if i turned into an ELP fan i wud still bash em cos i just dont care, and i like a challenge and some humour! But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em off cos they are modern or look gothic, and btw if you think thats gothic you aint seen nothing!

 

Yes i am loverly when someone winds me the wrong way!

I won't give modern prog a chance cos i've heard all i can take.& i'm afraid i'm not missing out on anything at all.You cannot be nice to me Frenchie when you've just blasted ELP & King crimson at the same time.Joking or not it's personal ok!

I don't go bashing any particular band at one time the whole new race of so called prog is really bad.The original early prog is absolutly everything to me,the style,lyrics,the raw production,limited instruments of the time,bizzare lyrics etc all fantastic,time & fashion completely destroyed this all,you could hear it through the years the aweful progression of styles which is ironic but i know...The musicians actually destroyed themselves following the fashion,be it keeping up with trends such as the punk revolution or record companies sticking the foot dowN,either way it was done & so was prog.These new artists have absolutly no idea,they can't & never will.

 



old prog and new prog but old prog even more so is EVERYTHING to me, not just prog actually, i love both old and new. Please read my review of ELP, i gave it 4 stars, i would really love it if you read it. Also KC are one of my fave bands! I didnt even think i WAS bashing them
The Worthless Recluse
Back to Top
aqualung28 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 03 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 916
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 18:49
Opeth is great.  I, like K9, used to think that music was dead after the 70s.  Just give him some time and maybe he will come to see that good music is around no matter what time it is (And you should listen to Bigelf if you want proof K9)
"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
'n you should have us all
O' you should have us fall"
"Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Forum Guest Group
Forum Guest Group
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:20

Originally posted by aqualung28 aqualung28 wrote:

Opeth is great.  I, like K9, used to think that music was dead after the 70s.  Just give him some time and maybe he will come to see that good music is around no matter what time it is (And you should listen to Bigelf if you want proof K9)

 

Sorry Aualung too late  to em.You really think i'm gonna condem bands without listerning first even so how much it breaks my heart to do so.?

 

Back to Top
aqualung28 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 03 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 916
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:23

Well, ok then. I don't see why, I hear a great deal of Sabbath/ELP/Crimson/Beatles influence.

"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
'n you should have us all
O' you should have us fall"
"Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart
Back to Top
Joren View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 07 2004
Location: Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 6667
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:28
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Originally posted by aqualung28 aqualung28 wrote:

Opeth is great.  I, like K9, used to think that music was dead after the 70s.  Just give him some time and maybe he will come to see that good music is around no matter what time it is (And you should listen to Bigelf if you want proof K9)

 

Sorry Aualung too late  to em.You really think i'm gonna condem bands without listerning first even so how much it breaks my heart to do so.?

 

Baleeted

Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Forum Guest Group
Forum Guest Group
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:32
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

arent you lovely!

sounds like you aint giving modern prog a chance, or maybe you are living in the past like jethro tull i believe, your missing out on some brilliant stuff, get with the times man! Well i will listen and review ELP, and i hope you read it! So much for trying to be nice to you.

btw, that whole lyrics thing was a JOKE, have a heart, i dont particularly think either lyrics are better or worse, its all opinion man, some ppl prolly do prefer cat food to elp, i mean i am perfect but are you! i guess it takes guts to make such a claim, or maybe ELP were eating too much cat food at the time!

I wanna be your friend man, feel free to bash The Mars Volta and stuff as much as you want, even if i turned into an ELP fan i wud still bash em cos i just dont care, and i like a challenge and some humour! But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em off cos they are modern or look gothic, and btw if you think thats gothic you aint seen nothing!

 

Yes i am loverly when someone winds me the wrong way!

I won't give modern prog a chance cos i've heard all i can take.& i'm afraid i'm not missing out on anything at all.You cannot be nice to me Frenchie when you've just blasted ELP & King crimson at the same time.Joking or not it's personal ok!

I don't go bashing any particular band at one time the whole new race of so called prog is really bad.The original early prog is absolutly everything to me,the style,lyrics,the raw production,limited instruments of the time,bizzare lyrics etc all fantastic,time & fashion completely destroyed this all,you could hear it through the years the aweful progression of styles which is ironic but i know...The musicians actually destroyed themselves following the fashion,be it keeping up with trends such as the punk revolution or record companies sticking the foot dowN,either way it was done & so was prog.These new artists have absolutly no idea,they can't & never will.

 



old prog and new prog but old prog even more so is EVERYTHING to me, not just prog actually, i love both old and new. Please read my review of ELP, i gave it 4 stars, i would really love it if you read it. Also KC are one of my fave bands! I didnt even think i WAS bashing them

Frenchie whats this bit all inade in your review of ELP album regarding the finish of ''Lucky man''???????

 '''''''yet it has a stupid ending which sounds like you are being chased by an ambulance or something!''''''''

Do you actually know what's going off there?First portable synthesizer!'MINI MOOG' of which not many people had heard off,a fantastic show piece that was taken on by virtually every prog band to follow.To hear a 'MINI MOOG' solo on a rock records was truly fantastic especially in the fasion keith did it making use of the powerful Oscolators/filters the synth had on offer.Even though the big 'Moog modular system he used prior to this was technically superior but you just could'nt get the sound & easy accesability the potable had.So it's not a bloody ambulance it's an electronic display of the artist & his new machine.

 

Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Forum Guest Group
Forum Guest Group
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:42
Originally posted by aqualung28 aqualung28 wrote:

Well, ok then. I don't see why, I hear a great deal of Sabbath/ELP/Crimson/Beatles influence.

 

Sorry aqualung,there's nothing there that turns me on.This is very personal to me which others may feel the same with.Set aside the bizzare lyrics & originality of early stuff.It's the atmosphere  that does it for me.This is completely dead from the out set though if you listern to CD.The raw production reproduction & warmth given by vinyl playback terms is the key to the sound & body,it is imperative you have the highest quality audio system though to fully appreciate this.The newer material, even though very poor in contend will never have the feeling of the old recording,well their digitally mastered & most probably recordeed that way for a start,you see most bands rely too much on technology weither it be recording techniques,the way they write or the influences already set into their brains.Never ever will a new band create all the old bands & techniques created back then.

 

 

 

Back to Top
aqualung28 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 03 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 916
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 20:57
I understand where your coming from
"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
'n you should have us all
O' you should have us fall"
"Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart
Back to Top
threefates View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: June 30 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4215
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:01
Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

cat food by crimson? lol

its far too good to be anything that ELP ever wrote anyway

 

Thats funny, Catfood and the song Karn Evil 9 were written by the same guy.

 

 

THIS IS ELP
Back to Top
threefates View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: June 30 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4215
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:02
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



 But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em !

Hey,stop taking cheap shots at Threefates,lad!Angry

Wink

So Reed, when your wife goes to give you a blow job, do you also think of me then??

Or does she not bother to do that anymore.. and thats why you think of me and BJs ??

Just wondering

THIS IS ELP
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Forum Guest Group
Forum Guest Group
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:11
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

cat food by crimson? lol

its far too good to be anything that ELP ever wrote anyway

 

Thats funny, Catfood and the song Karn Evil 9 were written by the same guy.

 

 

 

Yeh it's ok Linda i know,this is what puzzled me with his statement.

The man tarketh bollux

 

Back to Top
Dan Bobrowski View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 02 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5243
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:28

 



Edited by danbo
Back to Top
Jim Garten View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin & Razor Guru

Joined: February 02 2004
Location: South England
Status: Offline
Points: 14693
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 02:43
Originally posted by Karnevil9 Karnevil9 wrote:

 '''''''yet it has a stupid ending which sounds like you are being chased by an ambulance or something!''''''''


Do you actually know what's going off there?First portable synthesizer!'MINI MOOG' of which not many people had heard off,a fantastic show piece that was taken on by virtually every prog band to follow.To hear a 'MINI MOOG' solo on a rock records was truly fantastic especially in the fasion keith did it making use of the powerful Oscolators/filters the synth had on offer.Even though the big 'Moog modular system he used prior to this was technically superior but you just could'nt get the sound & easy accesability the potable had.



OK, so Frenchie's description of an ambulance was maybe a little off centre - however, this does not detract from his basic critique, i.e. it's not a very good solo.

Sorry, KE9, I happen to love the track (as I do most of ELP from this period), but even I can appreciate the fact that KE's Moog solo seems tacked on the end at the last minute, goes on too long, meanders without purpose, and leads the song itself to a messy conclusion - frankly sounding as if Lake, then Palmer get bored, and wander off.

Just because you're the first to do something, doesn't automatically mean you're the best at it.

Just don't get me started on Hendrix...

Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
Back to Top
threefates View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: June 30 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 4215
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 08:07

Well listening to it now even for the first time, after having experienced years of synths, does not compare to being able to listen to it the first time, when you'd never heard a synth before. 

I thought the ending to Lucky Man when I first heard it, was the coolest thing I'd ever heard.  It sounded like a perfect ending to me for someone who had just died so violently... and I really love the three drum beats at the end....

BTW... that was a first run for Keith, never played the thing before.  He wanted to do it over a second time, but Greg said no, he liked it the way it was.  I can imagine that if Keith had been given a second go... that solo would of been about 5 times longer than the original.. so I think its perfect just the way it is also. (And I've heard Keith's longer version of it)

THIS IS ELP
Back to Top
Blacksword View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 16130
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 08:33

'Lucky Man' is a fine song, but I have to agree with Jim about the Moog solo. threefates describes it in a way that seems to justify it to her.

But, my ears dont like it. It sounds completely innapropriate after such a moving song. It sounds like Keith Emerson just showing off his new Moog toy, and not being patient enough to wait until they wrote a song where it did work properly.

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
Back to Top
Reed Lover View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: July 16 2004
Location: Sao Tome and Pr
Status: Offline
Points: 5187
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2005 at 10:27
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:



 But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em !

Hey,stop taking cheap shots at Threefates,lad!Angry

Wink

So Reed, when your wife goes to give you a blow job, do you also think of me then??

Or does she not bother to do that anymore.. and thats why you think of me and BJs ??

Just wondering

No,but I think about you during sex,it helps to delay things somewhatTongue




Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.230 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.