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frenchie
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:45 |
arent you lovely! sounds like you aint giving modern prog a chance, or maybe you are living in the past like jethro tull i believe, your missing out on some brilliant stuff, get with the times man! Well i will listen and review ELP, and i hope you read it! So much for trying to be nice to you. btw, that whole lyrics thing was a JOKE, have a heart, i dont particularly think either lyrics are better or worse, its all opinion man, some ppl prolly do prefer cat food to elp, i mean i am perfect but are you! i guess it takes guts to make such a claim, or maybe ELP were eating too much cat food at the time!  I wanna be your friend man, feel free to bash The Mars Volta and stuff as much as you want, even if i turned into an ELP fan i wud still bash em cos i just dont care, and i like a challenge and some humour! But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em off cos they are modern or look gothic, and btw if you think thats gothic you aint seen nothing!
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Reed Lover
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:47 |
frenchie wrote:
But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em ! |
Hey,stop taking cheap shots at Threefates,lad!

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Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:48 |
 Don't cut yourself Reed
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 17:56 |
frenchie wrote:
arent you lovely!
sounds like you aint giving modern prog a chance, or maybe you are living in the past like jethro tull i believe, your missing out on some brilliant stuff, get with the times man! Well i will listen and review ELP, and i hope you read it! So much for trying to be nice to you.
btw, that whole lyrics thing was a JOKE, have a heart, i dont particularly think either lyrics are better or worse, its all opinion man, some ppl prolly do prefer cat food to elp, i mean i am perfect but are you! i guess it takes guts to make such a claim, or maybe ELP were eating too much cat food at the time! 
I wanna be your friend man, feel free to bash The Mars Volta and stuff as much as you want, even if i turned into an ELP fan i wud still bash em cos i just dont care, and i like a challenge and some humour! But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em off cos they are modern or look gothic, and btw if you think thats gothic you aint seen nothing! |
Yes i am loverly when someone winds me the wrong way!
I won't give modern prog a chance cos i've heard all i can take.& i'm afraid i'm not missing out on anything at all.You cannot be nice to me Frenchie when you've just blasted ELP & King crimson at the same time.Joking or not it's personal ok!
I don't go bashing any particular band at one time the whole new race of so called prog is really bad.The original early prog is absolutly everything to me,the style,lyrics,the raw production,limited instruments of the time,bizzare lyrics etc all fantastic,time & fashion completely destroyed this all,you could hear it through the years the aweful progression of styles which is ironic but i know...The musicians actually destroyed themselves following the fashion,be it keeping up with trends such as the punk revolution or record companies sticking the foot dowN,either way it was done & so was prog.These new artists have absolutly no idea,they can't & never will.

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frenchie
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 18:30 |
Karnevil9 wrote:
frenchie wrote:
arent you lovely!
sounds like you aint giving modern prog a chance, or maybe you are living in the past like jethro tull i believe, your missing out on some brilliant stuff, get with the times man! Well i will listen and review ELP, and i hope you read it! So much for trying to be nice to you.
btw, that whole lyrics thing was a JOKE, have a heart, i dont particularly think either lyrics are better or worse, its all opinion man, some ppl prolly do prefer cat food to elp, i mean i am perfect but are you! i guess it takes guts to make such a claim, or maybe ELP were eating too much cat food at the time! 
I wanna be your friend man, feel free to bash The Mars Volta and stuff as much as you want, even if i turned into an ELP fan i wud still bash em cos i just dont care, and i like a challenge and some humour! But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em off cos they are modern or look gothic, and btw if you think thats gothic you aint seen nothing! |
Yes i am loverly when someone winds me the wrong way!
I won't give modern prog a chance cos i've heard all i can take.& i'm afraid i'm not missing out on anything at all.You cannot be nice to me Frenchie when you've just blasted ELP & King crimson at the same time.Joking or not it's personal ok!
I don't go bashing any particular band at one time the whole new race of so called prog is really bad.The original early prog is absolutly everything to me,the style,lyrics,the raw production,limited instruments of the time,bizzare lyrics etc all fantastic,time & fashion completely destroyed this all,you could hear it through the years the aweful progression of styles which is ironic but i know...The musicians actually destroyed themselves following the fashion,be it keeping up with trends such as the punk revolution or record companies sticking the foot dowN,either way it was done & so was prog.These new artists have absolutly no idea,they can't & never will.

| old prog and new prog but old prog even more so is EVERYTHING to me, not just prog actually, i love both old and new. Please read my review of ELP, i gave it 4 stars, i would really love it if you read it. Also KC are one of my fave bands! I didnt even think i WAS bashing them
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aqualung28
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 18:49 |
Opeth is great. I, like K9, used to think that music was dead after the 70s. Just give him some time and maybe he will come to see that good music is around no matter what time it is (And you should listen to Bigelf if you want proof K9)
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:20 |
aqualung28 wrote:
Opeth is great. I, like K9, used to think that music was dead after the 70s. Just give him some time and maybe he will come to see that good music is around no matter what time it is (And you should listen to Bigelf if you want proof K9) |
Sorry Aualung too late to em.You really think i'm gonna condem bands without listerning first even so how much it breaks my heart to do so.?

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aqualung28
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:23 |
Well, ok then. I don't see why, I hear a great deal of Sabbath/ELP/Crimson/Beatles influence.
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"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
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O' you should have us fall"
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:28 |
Karnevil9 wrote:
aqualung28 wrote:
Opeth is great. I, like K9, used to think that music was dead after the 70s. Just give him some time and maybe he will come to see that good music is around no matter what time it is (And you should listen to Bigelf if you want proof K9) |
Sorry Aualung too late to em.You really think i'm gonna condem bands without listerning first even so how much it breaks my heart to do so.?

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Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:32 |
frenchie wrote:
Karnevil9 wrote:
frenchie wrote:
arent you lovely!
sounds like you aint giving modern prog a chance, or maybe you are living in the past like jethro tull i believe, your missing out on some brilliant stuff, get with the times man! Well i will listen and review ELP, and i hope you read it! So much for trying to be nice to you.
btw, that whole lyrics thing was a JOKE, have a heart, i dont particularly think either lyrics are better or worse, its all opinion man, some ppl prolly do prefer cat food to elp, i mean i am perfect but are you! i guess it takes guts to make such a claim, or maybe ELP were eating too much cat food at the time! 
I wanna be your friend man, feel free to bash The Mars Volta and stuff as much as you want, even if i turned into an ELP fan i wud still bash em cos i just dont care, and i like a challenge and some humour! But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em off cos they are modern or look gothic, and btw if you think thats gothic you aint seen nothing! |
Yes i am loverly when someone winds me the wrong way!
I won't give modern prog a chance cos i've heard all i can take.& i'm afraid i'm not missing out on anything at all.You cannot be nice to me Frenchie when you've just blasted ELP & King crimson at the same time.Joking or not it's personal ok!
I don't go bashing any particular band at one time the whole new race of so called prog is really bad.The original early prog is absolutly everything to me,the style,lyrics,the raw production,limited instruments of the time,bizzare lyrics etc all fantastic,time & fashion completely destroyed this all,you could hear it through the years the aweful progression of styles which is ironic but i know...The musicians actually destroyed themselves following the fashion,be it keeping up with trends such as the punk revolution or record companies sticking the foot dowN,either way it was done & so was prog.These new artists have absolutly no idea,they can't & never will.

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old prog and new prog but old prog even more so is EVERYTHING to me, not just prog actually, i love both old and new. Please read my review of ELP, i gave it 4 stars, i would really love it if you read it. Also KC are one of my fave bands! I didnt even think i WAS bashing them  |
Frenchie whats this bit all inade in your review of ELP album regarding the finish of ''Lucky man''???????
'''''''yet it has a stupid ending which sounds like you are being chased by an ambulance or something!''''''''
Do you actually know what's going off there?First portable synthesizer!'MINI MOOG' of which not many people had heard off,a fantastic show piece that was taken on by virtually every prog band to follow.To hear a 'MINI MOOG' solo on a rock records was truly fantastic especially in the fasion keith did it making use of the powerful Oscolators/filters the synth had on offer.Even though the big 'Moog modular system he used prior to this was technically superior but you just could'nt get the sound & easy accesability the potable had.So it's not a bloody ambulance it's an electronic display of the artist & his new machine.

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Posted: March 29 2005 at 19:42 |
aqualung28 wrote:
Well, ok then. I don't see why, I hear a great deal of Sabbath/ELP/Crimson/Beatles influence.
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Sorry aqualung,there's nothing there that turns me on.This is very personal to me which others may feel the same with.Set aside the bizzare lyrics & originality of early stuff.It's the atmosphere that does it for me.This is completely dead from the out set though if you listern to CD.The raw production reproduction & warmth given by vinyl playback terms is the key to the sound & body,it is imperative you have the highest quality audio system though to fully appreciate this.The newer material, even though very poor in contend will never have the feeling of the old recording,well their digitally mastered & most probably recordeed that way for a start,you see most bands rely too much on technology weither it be recording techniques,the way they write or the influences already set into their brains.Never ever will a new band create all the old bands & techniques created back then.

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aqualung28
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 20:57 |
I understand where your coming from
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"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
'n you should have us all
O' you should have us fall"
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threefates
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:01 |
frenchie wrote:
cat food by crimson? lol
its far too good to be anything that ELP ever wrote anyway 
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Thats funny, Catfood and the song Karn Evil 9 were written by the same guy. 
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threefates
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:02 |
Reed Lover wrote:
frenchie wrote:
But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em ! |
Hey,stop taking cheap shots at Threefates,lad!

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So Reed, when your wife goes to give you a blow job, do you also think of me then??
Or does she not bother to do that anymore.. and thats why you think of me and BJs ??
Just wondering 
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Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:11 |
threefates wrote:
frenchie wrote:
cat food by crimson? lol
its far too good to be anything that ELP ever wrote anyway 
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Thats funny, Catfood and the song Karn Evil 9 were written by the same guy. 
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Yeh it's ok Linda i know,this is what puzzled me with his statement.
The man tarketh bollux

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Posted: March 29 2005 at 23:28 |

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Posted: March 30 2005 at 02:43 |
Karnevil9 wrote:
'''''''yet it has a stupid ending which sounds like you are being chased by an ambulance or something!''''''''
Do you actually know what's going off there?First portable synthesizer!'MINI MOOG' of which not many people had heard off,a fantastic show piece that was taken on by virtually every prog band to follow.To hear a 'MINI MOOG' solo on a rock records was truly fantastic especially in the fasion keith did it making use of the powerful Oscolators/filters the synth had on offer.Even though the big 'Moog modular system he used prior to this was technically superior but you just could'nt get the sound & easy accesability the potable had. |
OK, so Frenchie's description of an ambulance was maybe a little off centre - however, this does not detract from his basic critique, i.e. it's not a very good solo.
Sorry, KE9, I happen to love the track (as I do most of ELP from this period), but even I can appreciate the fact that KE's Moog solo seems tacked on the end at the last minute, goes on too long, meanders without purpose, and leads the song itself to a messy conclusion - frankly sounding as if Lake, then Palmer get bored, and wander off.
Just because you're the first to do something, doesn't automatically mean you're the best at it.
Just don't get me started on Hendrix...
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threefates
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Posted: March 30 2005 at 08:07 |
Well listening to it now even for the first time, after having experienced years of synths, does not compare to being able to listen to it the first time, when you'd never heard a synth before.
I thought the ending to Lucky Man when I first heard it, was the coolest thing I'd ever heard. It sounded like a perfect ending to me for someone who had just died so violently... and I really love the three drum beats at the end....
BTW... that was a first run for Keith, never played the thing before. He wanted to do it over a second time, but Greg said no, he liked it the way it was. I can imagine that if Keith had been given a second go... that solo would of been about 5 times longer than the original.. so I think its perfect just the way it is also. (And I've heard Keith's longer version of it)
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Posted: March 30 2005 at 08:33 |
'Lucky Man' is a fine song, but I have to agree with Jim about the Moog solo. threefates describes it in a way that seems to justify it to her.
But, my ears dont like it. It sounds completely innapropriate after such a moving song. It sounds like Keith Emerson just showing off his new Moog toy, and not being patient enough to wait until they wrote a song where it did work properly.
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Posted: March 30 2005 at 10:27 |
threefates wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
frenchie wrote:
But i am giving ELP a chance, not blowing em ! |
Hey,stop taking cheap shots at Threefates,lad!

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So Reed, when your wife goes to give you a blow job, do you also think of me then??
Or does she not bother to do that anymore.. and thats why you think of me and BJs ??
Just wondering 
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No,but I think about you during sex,it helps to delay things somewhat
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