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goose 
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 Posted: March 24 2005 at 12:19 |
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The Wall always makes me feel really depressed (excellent though it is) so I can't really compare the two.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 12:59 |
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i would have to go for Dream Theaters scenes from a memory being the mother of all concept albums. It has the best and most detailed storyline, told amazingly by music and lyrics, plus the album itself is a masterpiece of progressive rock, undeniable by the vast amount of 5 star ratings.
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goose
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 13:35 |
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I quite like Scenes but I'm sure there must be concept albums with more complex storylines (can anyone help me out here?). And at least three or four of the songs just keep going with the same riff (with or without a solo) for no reason (especially "Home" and the last track. I'd probably say the same about "Fatal Tragedy", but it's close to the first DT I ever heard so I still like it). When people say Dream Theater solo for the sake of it, I never understood what they were talking about until I bought Scenes and Six Degrees, both of which while in places have probably some of the most fantastic moments DT have ever done, they also have some pieces which either don't do anything at all for me or just drag on too long.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 14:21 |
Ah fantastic '666' is one of the best albums i own.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 14:53 |
This is like comparing LobsterThermadore with Dog-sh*te or Manchester United against Manchester City.....
The Lamb is the masterpiece the wall is just another double concept album.....
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 14:56 |
 Swinton MCR wrote:
This is like comparing LobsterThermadore with Dog-sh*te or Manchester United against Manchester City.....
The Lamb is the masterpiece the wall is just another double concept album.....
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in your humble opinion...............
The Wall is far the superior album.I've never really got on with The Lamb.It just hasnt got enough great songs and music for me.IMHO.
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:15 |
This is the old Floyd V Genesis argument in just a different guise, People who have Floyd as No 1 band don't tend to like Genesis, Genesis fans tend to like some, but not all Floyd. I think it is the psyche that leans you towards one or the other......
The Lamb needs to be re-recorded to get the production correct.......Can't see it happening though......
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:17 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
This is the old Floyd V Genesis argument in just a different guise, People who have Floyd as No 1 band don't tend to like Genesis, Genesis fans tend to like some, but not all Floyd. I think it is the psyche that leans you towards one or the other......
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Rubbish! I much prefer Genesis to Pink Floyd.
I have a remastered version of The Lamb, but others have mentioned Genesis remasters.What am i missing?
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valravennz
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:34 |
After some consideration (and having already voted 'Other') I would have to go with "the Wall" as I am not familiar with 'Lamb' . If there was a poll on the most depressing album in prog I would vote the "Wall" without question - I can only listen to it when I am depressed and then with some difficulty. I would not rate it as one of Pink Floyds greatest moments (ducking down out of range!!). There are better concept albums - someone mentioned Marillion's 'Misplaced Childhood' - would listen to that anyday rather than 'Wall'  
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:41 |
I had to vote for other, with my choice, although I'll get haggled for this, is a tie between the Mars Volta ablums De-loused in the Comatorium and Frances the Mute. As much as I like tthe 2 polled bands, TMV know how to tell a story with a farily straight storyline, but leave most for interpretation on the listner's part (Frenchie, you know what I mean)
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goose
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:45 |
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Incidentally, I don't consider either the Wall or the Lamb anywhere near as good as other albums by the bands.
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:45 |
I will have to buy the re-master I have got an AAD version of the Lamb - I think that this double studio album is very underrated - even by some Genesis fans...Just Like Topographic Oceans it remains in the top 10 prog albums (IMO) - It is not as strong as SEBTP - purely because that album has the incomparible "Firth of Fifth" and "Cinema Show" - but since that album is definately No 1 in all of prog...... The lamb has quality in abundance - and has got to be Genesis' best work after SEBTP......
No Floyd album ever gets near my top 30 albums - So we can't compare the two IMO.....
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Cluster One
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:45 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
This is the old Floyd V Genesis argument in
just a different guise, People who have Floyd as No 1 band don't tend
to like Genesis, Genesis fans tend to like some, but not all Floyd. I
think it is the psyche that leans you towards one or the other...... |
Gotta call you on that one Swinton. I'd have to put myself squarely
in the "Floyd school" but clearly favour The Lamb over The Wall
The reason I picked these two albums fro comparison is because they
really are the most bombastic, widely owned AND widely recognized of
all concept albums. (I never said the best eh?) Quadrophenia and Tommy
are huge, but THE WHO (albeit proggy at times) is not on the Archives.
And yes there are other massive concept albums: Tales from Topographic
Oceans, Thick As A Brick, etc etc (there are dozens) but none as widely
known as the two in the poll.
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Marmalade...I like marmalade.
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:54 |
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I was going off personal experiences at college and work when discussing music with people - A lot more people listen to Floyd (They appeal to pop fans far more than early Genesis) - I never heard a Floyd fan say The Lamb is better than the wall - so it's a first !!!
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comicbookguy
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 16:35 |
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It's going to be 'The Lamb' for me, there were far more eclectic and surreal moments in that album.
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Prog_Bassist
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 16:38 |
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The Lamb by far.
The wall is pretty good, but doesnt even touch the lamb.
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Yams
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 17:04 |
Let me just get this out of the way:
I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, so you might not want to take this as
seriously. I rather listen to The Wall than to Lamb. Not to take
anything away from Lamb, but I find The Wall a much more cohesive
piece of music. Lamb has it's moments, but The Wall has more of them.
Musically I find them very different, though, so I can't really
compare them there. Lyrically, The Wall is more straightforward than
Lamb, and in the end I enjoy lyrics that are straightforward. Lamb is
still one of my favorite concept albums ever.
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Ben2112
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 17:20 |
goose wrote:
Incidentally, I don't consider either the Wall or the Lamb anywhere near as good as other albums by the bands. |
Same here. To me, The Wall pales in comparison to the other 3 "big" albums; and The Lamb... has great moments, but a fair amount of filler as well. That being said, I love both albums a great deal, just not as much as their other work.
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goose
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 17:39 |
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I think the problems come when trying to write a whole double album's worth of short songs. I don't think either band had more than one or two on previous albums, did they? Even Dark Side of the Moon had relatively far longer tracks on. They probably just weren't used to it. However, some of the best moments by each band are on those two albums, they just seem to lack a consistency (odd, given the consistent theme of each).
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Wizard/TRueStar
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 17:44 |
valravennz wrote:
If there was a poll on the most depressing album in prog I would vote the "Wall" without question |
I'd say the Final Cut is 10 times more depressing thasn The Wall (granted it is a pretty personal album). I know dudes that have teared to The Final Cut.
I like Genesis and The Floyd as much as each other but I can't stand Genesis after their self titled lp, however ALL THE FLOYD IS GOOD!
I picked The Lamb however. I think it just moves me in such a hard to describe way. I don't even fully understand the concept of The Lamb completely unlike all the hard hours I spent listening to tha Wall and watching the movie contemplating what is going on.
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