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emdiar 
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 Posted: September 02 2007 at 12:53 |
^^ Pete, you should definitely start with "Once Around the World". Did you check out my youtube link? Most entertaining. Here it is again:
Avoid "Best Of" compilations as they usually consist of "single" versions, which, as we all know, are usually mercilessly edited of their instrumental passages. (read "best bits".)
(ps. See what I mean by "Holdsworth-esque"?)
Edited by emdiar - September 02 2007 at 13:11
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Peter
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Posted: September 02 2007 at 23:36 |
 emdiar wrote:
^^ Pete, you should definitely start with "Once Around the World". Did you check out my youtube link? Most entertaining. Here it is again:
Avoid "Best Of" compilations as they usually consist of "single" versions, which, as we all know, are usually mercilessly edited of their instrumental passages. (read "best bits".)
(ps. See what I mean by "Holdsworth-esque"?) |
 Wow! that was great -- thanks, M! I didn't expect those jazzy inflections from such a youthful band, which I had thought of as "pop prog." Great guitarist, for sure! 
 Once Around the World it is, then -- hopefully Amazon.ca will be more forthcoming than they were with IQ....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Pekka
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 00:29 |
I spent yesterday evening reading many reviews by Easy Livin. I'm not always entirely on the same page with him, but I always like (well, envy) his style of writing and constructing the reviews. Just the perfect lenght for my attention span and always thorough and interesting. Respect for Easy Livin 
Edited by Keppa4v - September 03 2007 at 01:11
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 03:46 |
Wow, lotsa kind words (thanks MDR  ) again!  
I agree that some reviewers are very helpful not only before buying the albums, but in the case of RIO, in helping out understanding the music as well. In this regard, I think my buddy Chris/SYZYGY is the most helpful! He's given me the keys to understand more than a few RIO albums, and I'm only glad I could return the favour once in a while.
I'm only naming one pźrson, because in previous thread I always forgot someone, and had to post a second time. But those I haven't named, I think they've got an idea who they are.
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Greg W
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 12:30 |
I don't have a specific reveiwer who wows me. I usually scroll down past the official reviewers and read only the guest reviewers who have written well thought out reviews.
Honest reviews done by normal people.
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emdiar
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 13:14 |
I agree with everyone that Easy Livin's reviews are always a great read, and I often agree with him wholeheartedly........ However,....when you reviewed Angels Egg, Bob, you must have been listening to an entirely different album than the one filling the space between Flying Teapot and You on my vinyl shelf.    .
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 13:29 |
Greg W wrote:
I don't have a specific reveiwer who wows me. I usually scroll down past the official reviewers and read only the guest reviewers who have written well thought out reviews.
Honest reviews done by normal people. |
that's a weird impression, what do you mean by "normal people" and by "guest reviewers"?  the people who haven't been promoted or awarded as "prog reviewers" aren't..."guest reviewers"!
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Ricochet
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 13:33 |
For my share, I can suitably answer (cause this topic's question remains "with which reviewer do you associate very much, regarding your preferences of prog music", not "which reviewer do you like") that I find myself having quite common views about certain albums with, guess what, drain-o's ratings!! In at least 70% of cases, drain-o has rated an album exactly the same amount of stars I myself would rate that album! I know it's a big difference between rating and reviewing, but that's the case. Of course, we start having much too different opinions regarding Klaus Schulze 
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 04 2007 at 04:22 |
sircosick wrote:
I believe that no one can never be in affinity with my thoughs, but the closest reviewer would be Sean Trane. From the albums we've heard in common, the only one which I disagree is his five stars to Traffic's Shoot out at the fantasy factory. But the rest, overall when it comes to the top ten bands, our ratings are practically the same. |
I just can't figure out why this album (Shootout) isn't getting the same respect as Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys. Unlike Low Spārks, It has no weak tracks (like Light Up Or Leave MLe Alone) and has just as many fantastic moments.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Moogtron III
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Posted: September 04 2007 at 09:39 |
Most of the times I check out Sean Trane's reviews. Even if I don't always agree, I always value his opinion very highly.
I also like Easy Livin's reviews a lot. And as it comes to Italian prog, I bought almost any Italian prog record that I own because of Erik Neuteboom's reviews, as well as some others.
I like Greenback's reviews as well.
Well, they're my faves.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 04 2007 at 10:55 |
Moogtron III wrote:
Most of the times I check out Sean Trane's reviews. Even if I don't always agree, I always value his opinion very highly.
I also like Easy Livin's reviews a lot. And as it comes to Italian prog, I bought almost any Italian prog record that I own because of Erik Neuteboom's reviews, as well as some others.
I like Greenback's reviews as well.
Well, they're my faves. |
Marcel, if you keep this up, I'll be forced to move to Antwerp, becaiuse my neck is growing in size
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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salmacis
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Posted: September 04 2007 at 12:37 |
Greg W wrote:
I don't have a specific reveiwer who wows me. I usually scroll down past the official reviewers and read only the guest reviewers who have written well thought out reviews.
Honest reviews done by normal people. |
Like Ricochet, I don't get this comment. Why are collaborators somehow less 'normal' than guest reviewers? I'm the complete opposite anyway; I tend to find myself trusting the reviews of long-standing collaborators more than the vast majority of guest reviewers. But that's not to belittle them all; I've read some damned good ones by non-collabs as well (The Whistler and progismylife to name a few).
I've been a fan of Easy Livin's reviews for a while and always look forward to reading them. He's the reviewer I probably identify the most with in terms of correlation with my own reviews, but there are of course differences (I love early Soft Machine for example, yet anybody who saw my earlier 3 star review of 'Fourth' will probably realise that album's where my enthusiasm for them almost dies...it picks up a bit on later albums, though).
It Bites are a band I have never delved into fully, really. One thing that always mystifies me is that there actually a significant number of people here who don't tend to like neo prog very much but really love It Bites, who in my experience are more poppy than most of the neo bands anyway. But I shall check out the said album at some point...
I have a lot of respect for Hugues many, many reviews but there are a lot of musical differences (I love some neo prog, almost all of Camel's albums and BJH).
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salmacis
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Posted: September 05 2007 at 10:14 |
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In addition, I must add Febus to the list of reviewers I feel an affinity with; I agree with him absolutely on the aforementioned Soft Machine albums. He's just reviewed their fourth album and we're on the same page; I gave it 3 stars but I was rather generous. Febus gave it 2. IMHO, that album was a massive step back for the band.
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Greg W
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Posted: September 05 2007 at 23:37 |
salmacis wrote:
[QUOTE=Greg W]I don't have a specific reveiwer who wows me. I usually scroll down past the official reviewers and read only the guest reviewers who have written well thought out reviews.
Honest reviews done by normal people. |
Like Ricochet, I don't get this comment. Why are collaborators somehow less 'normal' than guest reviewers? I'm the complete opposite anyway; I tend to find myself trusting the reviews of long-standing collaborators more than the vast majority of guest reviewers. But that's not to belittle them all; I've read some damned good ones by non-collabs as well (The Whistler and progismylife to name a few).
Then let me explain by referring you to a band called Acuity. There are approximately 3 reviewers on this cd. The total would come out to 8 stars divided by 3 reviewers, which should come out to 2.66, however it shows 1.79. Why is that? Could it be that the elitist Collaborators have decided their reviews mean more than us commoners. It would seem that way to me.
Then I thought, well maybe they don't count those reviews done by people who only rate it without an essay. So, I did the math again and it comes up 2.5 stars, and yet it says 1.79. So how much importance have the collabs given themselves? Is it 2 times the amount. No, that works out to be 2 stars. Actually it seems to be 3 times the amount or very close to it. That kind of honesty? No thanks, I'll read the Guest reveiws, thank you very much.
Edited by Greg W - September 05 2007 at 23:38
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Posted: September 05 2007 at 23:44 |
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I hear you, though I think it's pompous self-importance more than it is a lack of honesty
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Greg W
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Posted: September 05 2007 at 23:50 |
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Well I was trying to be a little nice, but yes.
Edited by Greg W - September 05 2007 at 23:51
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stonebeard
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Posted: September 05 2007 at 23:56 |
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The point is that all those who have become prog reviewers have proven that they are generally reliable reviewers with good composition skills. Since it would be much meaner to simply delete all the ratings without reviews, which gives non-English speaking members a chance to at least weigh in a little on reviews, a system of weights must be implemented. Now, the line between the validity of a guest reviewer's opinion and collabs is blurry, but any gues reviewer with a sufficient amount of high-quality reviews can become a collab. Collabs do not necessarily have better opinions, but they have been proven reliable, or at least more so than a one-off review from an unknown reviewer, which may still be valid.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: September 06 2007 at 03:13 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
Most of the times I check out Sean Trane's reviews. Even if I don't always agree, I always value his opinion very highly.
I also like Easy Livin's reviews a lot. And as it comes to Italian prog, I bought almost any Italian prog record that I own because of Erik Neuteboom's reviews, as well as some others.
I like Greenback's reviews as well.
Well, they're my faves. |
Marcel, if you keep this up, I'll be forced to move to Antwerp, becaiuse my neck is growing in size |
I understand, I have that affect on necks .
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 06 2007 at 03:55 |
Moogtron III wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
Most of the times I check out Sean Trane's reviews. Even if I don't always agree, I always value his opinion very highly.
I also like Easy Livin's reviews a lot. And as it comes to Italian prog, I bought almost any Italian prog record that I own because of Erik Neuteboom's reviews, as well as some others.
I like Greenback's reviews as well.
Well, they're my faves. |
Marcel, if you keep this up, I'll be forced to move to Antwerp, becaiuse my neck is growing in size |
I understand, I have that affect on necks . |
I can't button up my shirt from the third one down  . IT'S CONTAGIOUS
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Moogtron III
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Posted: September 06 2007 at 04:42 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
Most of the times I check out Sean Trane's reviews. Even if I don't always agree, I always value his opinion very highly.
I also like Easy Livin's reviews a lot. And as it comes to Italian prog, I bought almost any Italian prog record that I own because of Erik Neuteboom's reviews, as well as some others.
I like Greenback's reviews as well.
Well, they're my faves. |
Marcel, if you keep this up, I'll be forced to move to Antwerp, becaiuse my neck is growing in size |
I understand, I have that affect on necks . |
I can't button up my shirt from the third one down . IT'S CONTAGIOUS |
That may have an other cause, like the good Burgundian Belgian life .
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