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The T
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 19:03 |
I'm all for it... Not only for the .5 ratings but also for a triumphant return of the 0-stars rating, which I could use with masterful precision 
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 19:06 |
The T wrote:
I'm all for it... Not only for the .5 ratings but also for a triumphant return of the 0-stars rating, which I could use with masterful precision   |
No I agree with the site policy, it's harsh to give an album 0 stars for something they did with lots of work.
Iván
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The T
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 19:14 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The T wrote:
I'm all for it... Not only for the .5 ratings but also for a triumphant return of the 0-stars rating, which I could use with masterful precision   |
No I agree with the site policy, it's harsh to give an album 0 stars for something they did with lots of work.
Iván |
Mmm... maybe... but a second listen to "Illegal Alien" will prove that that song doesn't even have that going for it.... I'm pretty sure it was recorded in 5 minutes  ....
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 19:24 |
I kind of like it the way it is...but I don't have anything against changing it, either. Maybe you should make a poll, with the choices being "for" , "against" and "apathetic".
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ProgBagel
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 19:30 |
The poll is a decent idea...but PA not a democracy  .
The 0 rating is kind of harsh haha...I don't think any album deserves that. Being generous or not.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 19:35 |
ProgBagel wrote:
The poll is a decent idea...but PA not a democracy . The 0 rating is kind of harsh haha...I don't think any album deserves that. Being generous or not. |
Yes you are right, but I received Invisible Touch and Love Beach as a gift and both are working as coasters  that at least deserves one star. 
No honestly, there's no need to offend so hardly any artist telling hin/her/them, your album is crap and it's worth nothing.
Iván
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King of Loss
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 19:53 |
0 stars will be abused as such .5 stars, plus I don't think many albums fall in the 0 star category especially...
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:01 |
There are easier ways to fairly lower CTTE than getting the mid-point rating. Example?
4.5, really!!!!!!!
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Dirk
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:14 |
0 star rating is not necessary, being able to rate from 1 to 10 which is the same as being able to rate from 1-5 with halves put in would certainly help to rate more accurately. I'd even suggest rating from 0-15 as the Gnosis site does.
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micky
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:15 |
My two cents...
there are other things that the site needs to deal with than giving those would like to manipulate the ratings list another tool to do it with. If feel like you need an extra half star to rate an album.... you are only interested in manipulating the rankings. Your review should spell out in words the distinction in a album halfway between those stars and round up or down as we all have done.
I think enough time has been wasted on tinkering with the reviews and the ratings...
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chamberry
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:16 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Yes I agree yesterday I had tio give ELP debut 3 stars but I feel bad because compared to their later works, this album doesn't deserve 4 stars and 3 stars is a bit unfair.
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That's what I feel about many of my 3 star reviews. If I feel like the album is a little bit better than a "good, but non-essential", but still not a 4 star then I write 3.5 in the end of the review although it would be better if we had the whole .5 star rating.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:16 |
1 - 5 sums up the quality of the album, and in words you should specifically describe how good it is, how much you like it, and, again, it always works to give a 4.5, really!!!!!!!!
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Dirk
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:27 |
micky wrote:
My two cents...
there are other things that the site needs to deal with than giving those would like to manipulate the ratings list another tool to do it with. If feel like you need an extra half star to rate an album.... you are only interested in manipulating the rankings. Your review should spell out in words the distinction in a album halfway between those stars and round up or down as we all have done.
I think enough time has been wasted on tinkering with the reviews and the ratings...
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Halfway agreed, a written review'll tell you much more than a number once it's read, still you certainly see a lot of reviewers stating that an album is for example 4.5 (rounding up or down accordingly subsequebtly). But the plain fact that they're doing this means they're somewhat at a loss to quantify their feelings about an album within the 1-5 rating structure. So i don't see any harm in an extension, manipulaters always have a free hand as long as they don't get caught whatever the structure is.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:35 |
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micky
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:36 |
Dirk wrote:
micky wrote:
My two cents...
there are other things that the site needs to deal with than giving those would like to manipulate the ratings list another tool to do it with. If feel like you need an extra half star to rate an album.... you are only interested in manipulating the rankings. Your review should spell out in words the distinction in a album halfway between those stars and round up or down as we all have done.
I think enough time has been wasted on tinkering with the reviews and the ratings...
| Halfway agreed, a written review'll tell you much more than a number once it's read, still you certainly see a lot of reviewers stating that an album is for example 4.5 (rounding up or down accordingly subsequebtly). But the plain fact that they're doing this means they're somewhat at a loss to quantify their feelings about an album within the 1-5 rating structure. So i don't see any harm in an extension, manipulaters always have a free hand as long as they don't get caught whatever the structure is.
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exactly my point ..... people feel at loss to quantify in in a 1-5 structure because that is what is most important to them... placing the emphasis on the rating.. not the review itself. Leave it the way it is.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:40 |
FINAL WORD^ let's not dwell too long here
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chamberry
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:41 |
Dirk wrote:
micky wrote:
My two cents...
there are other things that the site needs to deal with than giving those would like to manipulate the ratings list another tool to do it with. If feel like you need an extra half star to rate an album.... you are only interested in manipulating the rankings. Your review should spell out in words the distinction in a album halfway between those stars and round up or down as we all have done.
I think enough time has been wasted on tinkering with the reviews and the ratings...
| Halfway agreed, a written review'll tell you much more than a number once it's read, still you certainly see a lot of reviewers stating that an album is for example 4.5 (rounding up or down accordingly subsequebtly). But the plain fact that they're doing this means they're somewhat at a loss to quantify their feelings about an album within the 1-5 rating structure. So i don't see any harm in an extension, manipulaters always have a free hand as long as they don't get caught whatever the structure is.
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Actually, there are some people that will still look at the ratings no matter how well one talks about the album. Personally I would like my ratings to be in par with my reviews.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:54 |
pretty please
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:55 |
NO
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Dirk
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 20:57 |
micky wrote:
exactly my point ..... people feel at loss to quantify in in a 1-5 structure because that is what is most important to them... placing the emphasis on the rating.. not the review itself.
Leave it the way it is.
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Not totally true i feel, people who don't write a review will be primarily concerned with this issue, people who make a dedicated effort trying to make a good review will be concerned in the first place with wording the best they can what they feel about that particular album, otherwise they wouldn't make the effort. Rating it is secondary to them. I know myself , i've not been a very prolific reviewer sofar, all the albums i reviewed sofar have gotten 4 stars although they range from 3.75 to 4.5 imo sofar which is quite a difference. Another example is Erik's database, it was fun for me browsing through it because he distinghuishes now in rating between a lot of albums that he just gave 3 or 4 stars in the past.
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