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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 13:51
A mere copyist can grab a book an copy a lot of facts... actually, a computer can do it by itself....
 
A creative review, giving your opinion in an interesting way, well, that's another matter.... machines still can't do it by themselves....
 
So, I tend to let go factual errors if thew review is interesting, well written or at least in a style that entertains me and informs me of the feeling the reviewer got after listening to an album... If I want 100% true facts, I won't be "ignorant" enough to look them in subjective reviews... there are other places to do that... Of course, if the facts contained in a review are accurate, that's even better... but I won't dismiss a review just because it commits the crime of saying an album preceded one when it actually was released after it....
 
I called Kayo Dot post-metal and called their music atrocious... The first statement was completely wrong...Embarrassed I called Agalloch's music black metal and boring... both staements were kind of wrong....EmbarrassedEmbarrassed.... But I think those two are some of my most entertaining reviews.... The same goes with a LOT of reviews by fellow reviewers who write interesting, compelling-to-read little essays.... But, of course, there are many, MANY more that are good and ALSO accurate.... so, in a universe of thousands and thousands of reviews, complaining about some that show "ignorance" seems to me, well....to use a word much despised here, "pretentious".
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 13:54

A PM to the reviewer would seem like a friendly approach to the issue. They could then arrange for the error to be corrected.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 18:33
nice thread Walker....  a few errors doesn't really mean much to me.  A wrong key here, a kid crying in the the background there, a frisky girlfriend if you are lucky.  It's easy to  make an error or two if you aren't living in a bubble hahahha.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:21
Originally posted by Firefly Firefly wrote:

...perhaps "uninformed/misinformed" reviewers?
 
 
"Uninformed" is good. I have changed the title to that. Thanks.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:26
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I guess we are all completely flawless and never make any such stupid mistakes except for those poor losers Confused. So down with them!  Angry
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I think you misunderstand me. I am not "putting down" the reviewer who makes a mistake. Goodness knows, I've made enough. What I am saying is that reviews with factual mistakes tend to make me dismiss the entire review and I am asking how others feel when they run across a review like that. I accept that my original title may have sounded harsh and I have changed it to something better.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:28
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Ignorant is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. If you don't know something, you are by definition ignorant of it. I think you all are being to hard on Walker. He is not saying that he never makes mistakes, he is simply stating that reading misinformation in reviews is a turn off, and I agree.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:30
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

complaining about some that show "ignorance" seems to me, well....to use a word much despised here, "pretentious".
 
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Again, I think you misunderstand me. I am not complaining about the inaccurate reviews, I am asking how people judge their merit.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:35
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

nice thread Walker....  a few errors doesn't really mean much to me.  A wrong key here, a kid crying in the the background there, a frisky girlfriend if you are lucky.  It's easy to  make an error or two if you aren't living in a bubble hahahha.  
 
Thanks MIcky. Unfortunately I misplaced my frisky girlfriend a while back! Cry
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:37
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I am not crazy about your topic title.
 
Where I come from to call someone ignorant is pretty rude.
Jody, where you come from the Hutts rule and Republic credits are of no value LOL
 
I'll ignore some factual errors if they are minor. I find the best thing to do with a situation like your example (i.e. unsure of the date of other material), is to say it reminds me of it (that has spared me a few embarassments). I don't always run my review through spell-check, or at least I didn't until I got promoted, and now I'm updating some of my more grammatacilly atrocious reviews. Personally, I find the highly subjective claims that aren't backed up (it's okay to for people to say they think DT is the best prog band of the new millenium, but for the love of God at least devote a sentence to why you think that). In the end, I feel that the setup of having collabs' and prog reviewers' reviews first is beneficial because we tend to check our stuff, and good non collabs are usually quickly spotted and promoted.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:39
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

A PM to the reviewer would seem like a friendly approach to the issue. They could then arrange for the error to be corrected.

 
Actually, I'm not really concerned about the review itself, but rather how people feel about it, but thanks for the suggestion! Smile
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:40
Only to remember that in many countries the discography of several artists did not follow the chronology... specially in the vinyl era.Confused
 
I try to inform this situation in the reviews I've done for Jethro Tull, Yes, Genesis and ELP (for the case of Brazil, indeed). Here, the 2 first JT albums were released after Living In The Past and the 2 first Yes albums were released after Yessongs. Genesis' Trespass was released after The Lamb, etc, etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:49
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Only to remember that in many countries the discography of several artists did not follow the chronology... specially in the vinyl era.Confused
 
I try to inform this situation in the reviews I've done for Jethro Tull, Yes, Genesis and ELP (for the case of Brazil, indeed). Here, the 2 first JT albums were released after Living In The Past and the 2 first Yes albums were released after Yessongs. Genesis' Trespass was released after The Lamb, etc, etc.
 
Good point, but I think if someone is going to write a review of "Trespass", then where it fits in the Genesis discography and how it relates to the general prog time-line is 'must-know" information. If you read a review of "Trespass" in which the reviewer expresses the opinion that Genesis took a step backward by recording an album like that AFTER having recorded "The Lamb..", then wouldn't that make you tend to dismiss the rest of the review as irrelevant?
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:55
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Only to remember that in many countries the discography of several artists did not follow the chronology... specially in the vinyl era.Confused
 
I try to inform this situation in the reviews I've done for Jethro Tull, Yes, Genesis and ELP (for the case of Brazil, indeed). Here, the 2 first JT albums were released after Living In The Past and the 2 first Yes albums were released after Yessongs. Genesis' Trespass was released after The Lamb, etc, etc.
 
Good point, but I think if someone is going to write a review of "Trespass", then where it fits in the Genesis discography and how it relates to the general prog time-line is 'must-know" information. If you read a review of "Trespass" in which the reviewer expresses the opinion that Genesis took a step backward by recording an album like that AFTER having recorded "The Lamb..", then wouldn't that make you tend to dismiss the rest of the review as irrelevant?
 
 
 
Those cases I spotted were really extremes (and after all one could find the release year, say 1975 and the production year, 1970, in the back cover). But some other cases could be disturbing: Floyd's "Atom..." and "Meddle" were released together (both in 1972), only a few months before DSOTM. Some distracted reviewer may confuse things here; but the recommendation is to check first the discography displayed in the band's page.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:03
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

Originally posted by Firefly Firefly wrote:

...perhaps "uninformed/misinformed" reviewers?
 
 
"Uninformed" is good. I have changed the title to that. Thanks.
 
 
Thanks for that,and for not taking my post personally.Thumbs%20Up


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 21:53
Originally posted by 1800iareyay 1800iareyay wrote:

I feel that the setup of having collabs' and prog reviewers' reviews first is beneficial because we tend to check our stuff, and good non collabs are usually quickly spotted and promoted.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 22:05
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

I think the correct solution is.....

Proofread/Double-check grammer, spelling and accuracy.


Yes, please doLOL

I usually overlook them. Factual mistakes usually don't get in the way of giving me an idea of what the music is like(if someone says it's influenced by a song that was actually recorded a year later, I'll still know that it sounds like that song).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2007 at 22:09
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
I called Kayo Dot post-metal and called their music atrocious... The first statement was completely wrong...Embarrassed I called Agalloch's music black metal and boring... both staements were kind of wrong....EmbarrassedEmbarrassed.... But I think those two are some of my most entertaining reviews.... The same goes with a LOT of reviews by fellow reviewers who write interesting, compelling-to-read little essays.... But, of course, there are many, MANY more that are good and ALSO accurate.... so, in a universe of thousands and thousands of reviews, complaining about some that show "ignorance" seems to me, well....to use a word much despised here, "pretentious".
 
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Your Kayo Dot review is painful... because both points are wrong... just the first one would be forgivable...Embarrassed Same with Agalloch but hey at least later saw the lightWink

I find your Shapes and Aura reviews more entertaining, (almost) up there with Clem's Triumph reviewsTongue
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