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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2007 at 12:01
I just tell people to reformat their hard drive if they're trying to get rid of norton it's the only way to truly be rid of it in my experience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2007 at 12:59
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ if everybody switched from Windows to Mac, then the malware developers would also switch to that platform. So if you want your Mac to stay low-profile, you better not make people switch to it.Wink


I bet it still wouldn't freeze and crash as much as windows.

 
The reason Macs crash less than PCs (let's not confuse operating systems with hardware) is that Macs support far less hardware, and the hardware they do support is proprietary and expensive.
 
Microsoft have no control over who writes drivers, and 9 times out of 10, it's a driver that crashes Windows - and most of the rest of the time, it's Norton. A standard Windows installation is very difficult to crash - and here I speak as a professional software quality controller who has to test Windows products most of the time (I also test Macs, most *nixes and other sundry o/ses).
 
 
Mike's 100% right about virus writers - they always aim for the biggest target because it's easier to hit.
 
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I'm going to look into these Freeware AV packages - Norton is a pain in the preverbial...

Oh thanks, this terrible news. Norton came pre-installed on my PC and the hell I'm going to re-format my hard drive as I'm not confident that I know what I'm doing.

Never again with Norton, never again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2007 at 12:08
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

So basically you are saying that when I come to uninstall Norton from my system there will be problems.

 
No - I'm saying there probably will be problems, and that you should make yourself familiar with what sort of problems you might see.
 
Norton ties itself into the system at a low level, and it depends on what else your system is running as to the type(s) of issues you might see - it's not possible to be specific.
 
 
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:


I uninstalled Norton 6 weeks ago and moved on to AVG .... I had no problems at all getting rid of Norton ..... what is all this 'crap' that gets left behind?
 
At the risk of looking like a cop-out, it's just not possible to be specific.
 
I've looked around various user forums for specifics on this issue, and the results vary from entire services and their subsystems to individual resource libraries, folders and/or registry keys.
 
I'm going to try it myself... I feel brave - or foolhardy. LOL
 
I am cheating, though - I have a test lab both in my house and at work that I can try this out on sacrificial machines. Geek
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2007 at 12:14
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I am cheating, though - I have a test lab both in my house and at work that I can try this out on sacrificial machines. Geek


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2007 at 09:26
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:


I uninstalled Norton 6 weeks ago and moved on to AVG .... I had no problems at all getting rid of Norton ..... what is all this 'crap' that gets left behind?
 
At the risk of looking like a cop-out, it's just not possible to be specific.
 
I've looked around various user forums for specifics on this issue, and the results vary from entire services and their subsystems to individual resource libraries, folders and/or registry keys.

The question is ... well, is there anything to be worried about? If there are some low level routines still lurking in my system, is it likely they are doing any harm? [damn, that's 2 questions LOL]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2007 at 02:31
Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Joolz Joolz wrote:


I uninstalled Norton 6 weeks ago and moved on to AVG .... I had no problems at all getting rid of Norton ..... what is all this 'crap' that gets left behind?
 
At the risk of looking like a cop-out, it's just not possible to be specific.
 
I've looked around various user forums for specifics on this issue, and the results vary from entire services and their subsystems to individual resource libraries, folders and/or registry keys.

The question is ... well, is there anything to be worried about? If there are some low level routines still lurking in my system, is it likely they are doing any harm? [damn, that's 2 questions LOL]
 
In a nutshell, with something as complex as Norton, it's best to be prepared for the worst, and, if like you, you have no issues, then be pleasantly surprised.
 
If you are aware of potential issues, you stand a better chance of dealing with them yourself if they crop up.
 
You reported that you had no problems uninstalling it - so that indicates that some people have no problems.
 
However, the support forums are crammed with posts from people who have seen issues uninstalling it - and very few from people who have had isues uninstalling other anti-virus software.
 
Since Norton is one of, if not the most popular A/V package around, it could be that there are more problems reported because more people use it - just like there are more Windows viruses because there are more Windows users and hackers.
 
 
- So the (rather unsatisfying) answer to the first question is that there may be something to worry about - more so than with other sofware applications.
 
 
 
As to whether the remaining components are likely to cause "harm", it rather depends on what they are doing - without scouring the support forums for specific issues, it's not possible to tell, but there are some safe assumptions to make, of which these are but 2;
 
1. The odd unused registry key or discarded file won't hurt anyone.
 
Some sites report that Norton's uninstaller leaves hundreds of registry keys behind - all this will do is slow system startup a little, since the Operating System parses the registry on system boot, and then it parses the Current User section during the user logon process.
 
 
2. An active service and its subsystems will use system resources.
 
If the service depends on other services or resources that are no longer present, then the system will waste time looking for them to satisfy the demands of this component. 
Particularly if this is an item that uses networking or "phones home", like "Live Update", then the system as a whole will feel incredibly slow.
 
If it's an item that "talks" to the system at a low level, for example, a driver that uses an "interrupt" (literally, a call that interrupts the processor in whatever it's doing), then not only will the system feel slow, but it could actually crash with a blue screen.
 
 
- So the maximum potential "harm" that can be caused is that the PC could refuse to boot.
 
 
 
In short, I'm not trying to indulge in scaremongering - just raise awareness that uninstalling Norton is NOT like uninstalling most other programs, and I have certainly had issues with older versions.
 
These issues included having to rebuild a system I removed Norton AV 2002 from because it subsequently refused to boot.
 
My advice to anyone wanting to uninstall it is, go ahead and remove it, using the correct procedures - but  proceed with caution - find out what the procedure is, read every screen carefully - and BACK YOUR DATA UP FIRST!. I know you read this everywhere, but in this particular case, it's really true.
 
 
  
Bizarrely, the OS disk in the machine I was about to remove Norton from has developed a whole load of bad sectors and now refuses to boot...
 
Maybe Norton is psychic? LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2007 at 02:31
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I am cheating, though - I have a test lab both in my house and at work that I can try this out on sacrificial machines. Geek


I knew your nick was actually Nerdified. Wink
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2007 at 02:41
Originally posted by N Ellingworth N Ellingworth wrote:

I just tell people to reformat their hard drive if they're trying to get rid of norton it's the only way to truly be rid of it in my experience.
 
Pardon me for saying so, but while I agree that this is the only way to completely remove Norton, telling people to reformat their drives is not a good idea.
 
Most people buy a computer as an applicance, and don't want to muck about re-formatting and re-installing everything - just like they wouldn't want to tinker with their car engine if it went wrong.
 
It's worth pointing out that reformatting doesn't just remove Norton... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2007 at 05:18
Thanks for the info Certified .... I've just had a look around my system .... I can find no outstanding services relating to Norton, but I did find a single entry in the registry .... looked like the 'product key' used for registration. That's all I could find. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 23:29
Maybe this should be in the ranting room...
         OK. On the subject of Norton. DO NOT BUY ANY OF THEIR PRODUCTS !. I can't say this strongly enough. I recently bought Norton Internet Security 2007. Everything ran fine until the other day when I got the message that my product needed activating. I had already activated when I installed. When I tried to re-activate I was told that it failed due to the fact that the activation code had been used on more than 1 machine. Strange that I bought the product retail from PC world and have only ever installed it on my 1 and only PC and only once at that (no OS re-installs or anything). After trying their various "support" LOL options it seems that anyone outside North America has to pay to talk to someone. I eventually stumbled upon a web based chat service that they run ( run by script based donkeys). Eventually after constantly going round in circles I was told that a senior rep would get back to me by e-mail. Well I have just read the e-mail and it says that my key has been used on more than 1 machine and I will have to buy a new product key. Unbef***inglievable. AngryAngry. Avoid Norton products at all costs.
   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2007 at 19:50
Yes, Avast is recommended, because it is free, daily updates and can change interfaces etc.

Also recommended is Spybot-Search and Destroy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2007 at 20:19
Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

Yes, Avast is recommended, because it is free, daily updates and can change interfaces etc.

Also recommended is Spybot-Search and Destroy.


And also Ad-Aware. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2007 at 20:56
Exactly.  I just run Adaware and Spybot about once a week, and I haven't had any spyware or adware problems at all since then. 

Then again, neither has found that much as of late.  That Spybot "immunize" feature works really well!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 13:28

Ok, I have just "completely removed" Norton applications from my PC using Norton's own Complete Product Removal Tool....what can I expect?

I am going to decide which anti virus to use, in the meantime I will use AVG free...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 14:15
Ok, I have downloaded AVG.
 
Before I downloaded AVG but AFTER I had removed Norton "completely" I checked the "Security Center" in my control panel and it was convinced that Norton Anti-Virus was still protecting my PC!
Having downloaded and installed AVG "Security Center" is convinced that "more than anti virus program is protecting my PC":
 
 
WTF?
 
anyone got any answers?
 
Also I need some kind of adblock for IE7.... answers (that dont include use Firefox please)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2007 at 14:15
Ok, I have downloaded AVG.
 
Before I downloaded AVG but AFTER I had removed Norton "completely" I checked the "Security Center" in my control panel and it was convinced that Norton Anti-Virus was still protecting my PC!
Having downloaded and installed AVG "Security Center" is convinced that "more than anti virus program is protecting my PC":
 
 
WTF?
 
anyone got any answers?
 
Also I need some kind of adblock for IE7.... answers? (that dont include use Firefox please)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2007 at 15:19
Is norton still showing in control panel, add/remove programs ?. This utility has helped me in the past - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 .  Maybe worth a try.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2007 at 18:29
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by N Ellingworth N Ellingworth wrote:

I just tell people to reformat their hard drive if they're trying to get rid of norton it's the only way to truly be rid of it in my experience.
 
Pardon me for saying so, but while I agree that this is the only way to completely remove Norton, telling people to reformat their drives is not a good idea.
 
Most people buy a computer as an applicance, and don't want to muck about re-formatting and re-installing everything - just like they wouldn't want to tinker with their car engine if it went wrong.
 
It's worth pointing out that reformatting doesn't just remove Norton... Wink


Sorry I took ages to reply, I always tell people what reformatting does and even offer to do it for them (most people I know don't even know how to run a virus scan).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2007 at 19:26
I use: avast! Antivirus + Spybot Search & Destroy + Spyware Blaster + Ad-Aware. No problem with malware at all!

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Edited by Tuzvihar - March 16 2007 at 19:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2007 at 19:37
Originally posted by The-Bullet The-Bullet wrote:

Is norton still showing in control panel, add/remove programs ?. This utility has helped me in the past - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 .  Maybe worth a try.
 
No Norton isnt showing at all.
 
Using AVG Free at the moment.
 
I also use Spybot S&D,Adaware and XoftSpy....
 
Question:
 
is Windows own firewall enough (though I also have a Belkin Wireless Router which has a firewall too....) ??
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