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sleeper 
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 Posted: September 04 2006 at 16:50 |
 Moatilliatta wrote:
Well, prog bands don't often get commerical success these days. So fitting the criteria it ould be something like this:
The Mars Volta, Dream Theater, Opeth, Tool, Radiohead, Porcupine Tree (Coheed is a pending inclusion, because there's controversy over their status)
I don't necessarily agree that they should be the "Big 6," but they are the obvious choices for innovation and success. I also personally think prog music has expanded so much since the 70s, that there can't be a 6 band limit for this "Big" group. |
I agree, to an extent. I dont think its at all possible to have a true big 6 like there was in the 70's as most prog bands arevirtuall unknowns, in some cases even amongst progheads. Add to that that its considerably harder to be a truly inovative prog band these days.
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R_DeNIRO
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 16:58 |
Including bands like Porcupine Tree, Radiohead or Muse saying they are innovate it's an insult to prog. Those bands are mainly commercial and poppy with a few prog or proggy songs.
My 6 would be:
- Dream Theater (undoubtedly THE BIG ONE who resurrects prog in 90's -althought you like it or not-)
-Pain Of Salvation (who can doubt the credit that deserve this band?)
-Opeth (the same as Pain Of Salvation)
-----(These bans are, for sure, the three more important)-----Then we could include:
-Riverside
-Tool
-The Mars Volta
*Marillion its a very important band too, but I don't see them like modern prog, but like classical (or a bridge between them).
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Gravity Eyelids
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 17:15 |
R_DeNIRO wrote:
Including bands like Porcupine Tree, Radiohead or Muse saying they are innovate it's an insult to prog. Those bands are mainly commercial and poppy with a few prog or proggy songs.
My 6 would be:
- Dream Theater (undoubtedly THE BIG ONE who resurrects prog in 90's -althought you like it or not-)
-Pain Of Salvation (who can doubt the credit that deserve this band?)
-Opeth (the same as Pain Of Salvation)
-----(These bans are, for sure, the three more important)-----Then we could include:
-Riverside
-Tool
-The Mars Volta
*Marillion its a very important band too, but I don't see them like modern prog, but like classical (or a bridge between them).
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There is no need to insult Porcupine Tee's proggyness. PT have obvliously influenced quite a few prog bands: Riverside for one. And Opeth would'nt be the Opeth they are w/ out steve. Many members of PA who have a band often say they were inspired by PT also. Everything from PT's earlyier career is pure prog, and they're newer stuff takes prog combines it w/ metal, pop, and space rock. PT have earned their spot in the top six.
I don't see anyone who said Muse yet, but Raidhead has influenced quite a few prog bands even if they are not full blown prog.
Edited by Gravity Eyelids - September 04 2006 at 17:26
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Liquid Len
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:40 |
MajesterX wrote:
DT basically invented prog metal next to Fate's Warning and Queensryche. If that's not innovative, i'd like to hear your definition. |
I thought that 'honour' belonged to Rush!
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sleeper
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:41 |
Liquid Len wrote:
MajesterX wrote:
DT basically invented prog metal next to Fate's Warning and Queensryche. If that's not innovative, i'd like to hear your definition. |
I thought that 'honour' belonged to Rush! |
I wouldnt call their output metal.
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The Letter M
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 20:08 |
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Early Rush's progressive output was very metal inspired, and many say their 70's heavy metal influences, combined with their progressive likings and tendancies, produced three very good early prog-metal albums (Fly By Night, Caress Of Steel and 2112)... of course, that's all IMO.
Anyways, I'd have to agree that four of the Modern Big 6 would have to include the following:
Dream Theater
The Flower Kings
Spock's Beard
Porcupine Tree
Tool and The Mars Volta would be good candidates to fill out the group, but I do agree with others that the two biggest Neo Progressive bands from the 80's, Marillion and IQ, also deserve spots in the Top Modern Prog bands. Adding them, that makes it 8, so you might as well round it up to 10 and throw in two more bands. Like who, though? I'd throw in Transatlantic. Yeah, I know that it's made up of members from four of the other bands in the top list already, but together, they were really a unique group whose individual's contributions made the band sounds greater than the sum of it's parts. As for spot 10? I'd probably have to give it to one of the other major prog-metal groups, either Pain Of Salvation or Opeth. I haven't given either of them much listening yet, as I only have on album from each band, but from what I recall of them, they both sound really good.
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 21:26 |
Genesis gave prog metal its embryonic state w/ the Knife, and Rush is the first prog metal band.
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 22:03 |
Radiohead
Dream Theater
Porcupine Tree
The Mars Volta
Sigur Ros
Dredg
probably in that order actually
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 22:10 |
By the way, where's Rush in that "big 6 of the 70's" 
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dagrush
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 22:47 |
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I have to say, all of the responses of Radiohead here are hilarious... about as funny as saying that Fly By Night is prog metal, I guess.
Anyway, my list (in no order, 1980+):
DT
Opeth
Tool (not that I like to admit it)
Marillion (same as above)
Porcupine Tree
Spock's Beard
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The Letter M
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 23:12 |
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Well, maybe Fly By Night isn't quite prog-metal, maybe proto-prog-metal? Either way, with songs like "By-Tor & The Snowdog" and "Anthem", they were certainly on their way to making bigger and better pieces. The following two albums were really prog-metal, though, IMO.
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Soul Dreamer
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 23:28 |
The "new big 6" according to me are
Marillion (They started Neo and are still going strong)
Dream Theater (idem, but with prog metal)
Porcupine Tree
The Mars Volta (don't like them much though)
Riverside (make a perfect blend of metal, neo and space)
Pain of Salvation
And that's six.
If I can add more, the next would be TFK, Opeth, Spocks Beard
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 23:39 |
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The "new big 6" in my opinion are:
Marillion
Porcupine Tree
Dream Theater
Opeth
Tool
Radiohead
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verrata
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:17 |
My 6:
Phish (people forget they're on this site [i think they are here for good reason, disagree if you want])
GYBE
The Mars Volta
Tool
Radiohead
Dream Theatre
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zFrogs
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:28 |
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Tool first place,
Dream Theater
Fates Warning
Porcupine Tree
Opeth
Flower Kings
Dredg
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:29 |
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The Mars Volta of course.
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DarioIndjic
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:54 |
Well i will include those bands for Big 6 of today's Prog:
Riverside
Porcupine Tree
Pain Of Salvation
Dream Theater
Opeth
Sigur Ros
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MadcapLaughs84
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 01:39 |
This are my choices in order.
1. Dream Theater
2. The Mars Volta
3. Porcupine Tree
4. Pain Of Salvation
5. Radiohead
6. Mogwai
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 02:57 |
Gravity Eyelids wrote:
R_DeNIRO wrote:
Including bands like Porcupine Tree, Radiohead or Muse saying they are innovate it's an insult to prog. Those bands are mainly commercial and poppy with a few prog or proggy songs.
My 6 would be:
- Dream Theater (undoubtedly THE BIG ONE who resurrects prog in 90's -althought you like it or not-)
-Pain Of Salvation (who can doubt the credit that deserve this band?)
-Opeth (the same as Pain Of Salvation)
-----(These bans are, for sure, the three more important)-----Then we could include:
-Riverside
-Tool
-The Mars Volta
*Marillion its a very important band too, but I don't see them like modern prog, but like classical (or a bridge between them).
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There is no need to insult Porcupine Tee's proggyness. PT have obvliously influenced quite a few prog bands: Riverside for one. And Opeth would'nt be the Opeth they are w/ out steve. Many members of PA who have a band often say they were inspired by PT also. Everything from PT's earlyier career is pure prog, and they're newer stuff takes prog combines it w/ metal, pop, and space rock. PT have earned their spot in the top six.
I don't see anyone who said Muse yet, but Raidhead has influenced quite a few prog bands even if they are not full blown prog.
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someone did put Muse in their six but it wasn't me 
Personally I don't think either Radiohead or Muse should be in there because they are not fully committed to the genre.Both are prog related.However to describe them as 'poppy' is off the mark(although both have done some commercial stuff) and in the case of Porcupine Tree totally raving bananas 
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 02:58 |
See - Watchtower - the inventors of prog metal, they are on the site.
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"Modern Prog" Big 6
DT basically invented prog metal next to Fate's Warning and Queensryche. If that's not innovative, i'd like to hear your definition. 