"Modern Prog" Big 6
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Topic: "Modern Prog" Big 6
Posted By: Figglesnout
Subject: "Modern Prog" Big 6
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:03
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So I was thinking...
Everyone knows of the 70s "Big 6" (KC, Floyd, Tull, Genesis, Yes, ELP)...but that prog era has long since past. I was wondering which bands currently hold the prog reins for the New Big 6. Which bands are sucessful enough commerically to be considered "Big", and innovative enough to be considered something new and large? Which modern bands are the New Big 6? Now, I know of four that shouldn't be denied a title in this little competition: -Porcupine Tree -The Mars Volta -Radiohead -Tool But that leaves two other spots open (unless there is only a Big 4 this era???). Which bands do you guys/girls think carry the prog title well enough while being commercailly large enough to be considered big and innovative enough to "belong" to this era? Which bands do you think qualify to be the New Big 6? ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
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Posted By: Gravity Eyelids
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:10
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Cool topic. Those four are on my list, and I'll add Opeth.
6th: Probably Sigur Ros, or GSYBE ------------- Into this wild Abyss the fiend Stood on the brink of Hell and looked a while, Pondering his Voyage. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:14
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Innovative basically excludes DT, Neo-Prog and Retro Symph bands. The 4 on your list are original enough and also extremely popular to make the list, Opeth, as suggested above, is another neccessity. Riverside is also immensely popular, as I notice, so their inclusion would make sense too.
I would mention Kayo Dot myself, but their commercial success is close to non-existent, so that excludes them according to your definition as well. ------------- sig |
Posted By: laztraz
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:15
| I agree with including Riverside. |
Posted By: MajesterX
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:25
 DT basically invented prog metal next to Fate's Warning and Queensryche. If that's not innovative, i'd like to hear your definition. ------------- 
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Trickster F. wrote:Posted By: Proghat
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:27
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Yeah, I don't really care how popular certain prog bands are, because
stuff like Tool, TMV and Radiohead don't deserve all the ass-kissing
they get. If I was going to make a list of new bands that I thought
were actually important to the prog scene or something, though, it'd probably include more bands on par with: -Dream Theater -Opeth -Porcupine Tree -Pain of Salvation And maybe some Sigur Ros, GYBE, Explosions in the Sky, etc. |
Posted By: Gravity Eyelids
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:37
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Although I'm not a fan of DT, they probably deserve a spot.
So my new list would be:
-Porcupine Tree
-The Mars Volta -Radiohead -Tool -DT
Opeth
Honorable mentions:
-Sigur Ros
-GSYBE
-Riverside
------------- Into this wild Abyss the fiend Stood on the brink of Hell and looked a while, Pondering his Voyage. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 14:43
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Post 70's:
Dream Theater
Marillion
IQ
The Flower Kings
Porcupine Tree
Spocks Beard
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Posted By: Hatters
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:05
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I would say -Dream Theater -Tool -Pain of Salvation -Porcupine Tree -GYBE -The Mars Volta -------------  http://www.last.fm/user/SHatters/?chartstyle=basic10"> 
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:29
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1.DT
2.Tool 3.Porcupine Tree 4.Opeth 5.Pain Of Salvation 6.The Mars Volta ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:32
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-Radiohead
-Mars Volta
-Porcupine Tree
-Pure Reason Revolution
-Tool
-Opeth -------------  
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Posted By: mccrank_yeahrig
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:32
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Well, I think that no one has mentioned Anglagard, Anekdoten, Far Corner, Zaar, and I think they have to be there.... I think it's because I see a lot of Prog Metal bands (almost all), and that's it's not the only new prog put there. Obviusly Metal is one of the new prog genres (despite I don't like it), but there are more genres out there. And I think that RIO is a genre that is still growing up and maybe is one of the most innovative out there. But It's just my opinion  . Just try listening those!!
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:33
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mmm...lets see, would you incluide bands that are not longer playing? As Anglagard? Cause if so... Tool Dream Theater Porcupine Tree Anglagard The Mars Volta Opeth And if not, then Pain of Salvation ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:38
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Pain of Salvation
The Mars Volta
The Flower Kings
Spock's Beard
Dream Theater
Echolyn ------------- Life seemed to him merely like a gallery of how to be. 
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:40
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Dream Theater POS Tool Opeth Riverside Flower Kings ------------- |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:41
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DT Tool Mr. Bungle The Mars Volta PoS Dredg Most innovative of the bunch. Modern symphonic isn't innovative at all and always was secont-rank stuff for me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:47
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If its from a combination of inovation and comercial succes then:
Dream Theater
Tool
Porcupine Tree
Flower Kings
Marillion
Radiohead ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 15:55
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Well, prog bands don't often get commerical success these days. So fitting the criteria it ould be something like this: The Mars Volta, Dream Theater, Opeth, Tool, Radiohead, Porcupine Tree (Coheed is a pending inclusion, because there's controversy over their status)
I don't necessarily agree that they should be the "Big 6," but they are the obvious choices for innovation and success. I also personally think prog music has expanded so much since the 70s, that there can't be a 6 band limit for this "Big" group.
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 16:31
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My personal choices: 1. The Mars Volta 2. Taal 3. Pure Reason Revolution 4. Porcupine Tree 5. Muse 6. Tool |
Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 16:44
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I'd say the Modern Big 6 are:
Tool Dream Theater Spock's Beard The Mars Volta Porcupine Tree The Flower Kings I'd like to give Radiohead a spot, but I don't feel that they are as progressive as the above. ------------- Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 16:50
I agree, to an extent. I dont think its at all possible to have a true big 6 like there was in the 70's as most prog bands arevirtuall unknowns, in some cases even amongst progheads. Add to that that its considerably harder to be a truly inovative prog band these days. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 16:58
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Including bands like Porcupine Tree, Radiohead or Muse saying they are innovate it's an insult to prog. Those bands are mainly commercial and poppy with a few prog or proggy songs.
My 6 would be:
- Dream Theater (undoubtedly THE BIG ONE who resurrects prog in 90's -althought you like it or not-)
-Pain Of Salvation (who can doubt the credit that deserve this band?)
-Opeth (the same as Pain Of Salvation)
-----(These bans are, for sure, the three more important)-----Then we could include:
-Riverside
-Tool
-The Mars Volta
*Marillion its a very important band too, but I don't see them like modern prog, but like classical (or a bridge between them).
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Posted By: Gravity Eyelids
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 17:15
There is no need to insult Porcupine Tee's proggyness. PT have obvliously influenced quite a few prog bands: Riverside for one. And Opeth would'nt be the Opeth they are w/ out steve. Many members of PA who have a band often say they were inspired by PT also. Everything from PT's earlyier career is pure prog, and they're newer stuff takes prog combines it w/ metal, pop, and space rock. PT have earned their spot in the top six.
I don't see anyone who said Muse yet, but Raidhead has influenced quite a few prog bands even if they are not full blown prog.
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Posted By: Liquid Len
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:40
I thought that 'honour' belonged to Rush! ------------- Can you tell me where my country lies? |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 18:41
I wouldnt call their output metal. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: The Letter M
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 20:08
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Early Rush's progressive output was very metal inspired, and many say their 70's heavy metal influences, combined with their progressive likings and tendancies, produced three very good early prog-metal albums (Fly By Night, Caress Of Steel and 2112)... of course, that's all IMO.
Anyways, I'd have to agree that four of the Modern Big 6 would have to include the following: Dream Theater The Flower Kings Spock's Beard Porcupine Tree Tool and The Mars Volta would be good candidates to fill out the group, but I do agree with others that the two biggest Neo Progressive bands from the 80's, Marillion and IQ, also deserve spots in the Top Modern Prog bands. Adding them, that makes it 8, so you might as well round it up to 10 and throw in two more bands. Like who, though? I'd throw in Transatlantic. Yeah, I know that it's made up of members from four of the other bands in the top list already, but together, they were really a unique group whose individual's contributions made the band sounds greater than the sum of it's parts. As for spot 10? I'd probably have to give it to one of the other major prog-metal groups, either Pain Of Salvation or Opeth. I haven't given either of them much listening yet, as I only have on album from each band, but from what I recall of them, they both sound really good. -Marc. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know. I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose free will. If I die tomorrow, I`d be alright because I believe that after we`re gone, the spirit carries on. |
Posted By: Arrrghus
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 21:26
Genesis gave prog metal its embryonic state w/ the Knife, and Rush is the first prog metal band. ------------- 
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 22:03
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Radiohead
Dream Theater
Porcupine Tree
The Mars Volta
Sigur Ros
Dredg
probably in that order actually -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 22:10
By the way, where's Rush in that "big 6 of the 70's"  ------------- <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 22:47
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I have to say, all of the responses of Radiohead here are hilarious... about as funny as saying that Fly By Night is prog metal, I guess. Anyway, my list (in no order, 1980+): DT Opeth Tool (not that I like to admit it) Marillion (same as above) Porcupine Tree Spock's Beard ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/omgwtfdagrush/"> 
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Posted By: The Letter M
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 23:12
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Well, maybe Fly By Night isn't quite prog-metal, maybe proto-prog-metal? Either way, with songs like "By-Tor & The Snowdog" and "Anthem", they were certainly on their way to making bigger and better pieces. The following two albums were really prog-metal, though, IMO.
-Marc. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know. I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose free will. If I die tomorrow, I`d be alright because I believe that after we`re gone, the spirit carries on. |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 23:28
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The "new big 6" according to me are
Marillion (They started Neo and are still going strong)
Dream Theater (idem, but with prog metal)
Porcupine Tree
The Mars Volta (don't like them much though)
Riverside (make a perfect blend of metal, neo and space)
Pain of Salvation
And that's six.
If I can add more, the next would be TFK, Opeth, Spocks Beard
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: September 04 2006 at 23:39
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The "new big 6" in my opinion are: Marillion Porcupine Tree Dream Theater Opeth Tool Radiohead ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: verrata
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:17
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My 6:
Phish (people forget they're on this site [i think they are here for good reason, disagree if you want]) GYBE The Mars Volta Tool Radiohead Dream Theatre |
Posted By: zFrogs
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:28
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Tool first place, Dream Theater Fates Warning Porcupine Tree Opeth Flower Kings Dredg ------------- https://www.instagram.com/erifrog/ |
Posted By: zFrogs
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:29
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The Mars Volta of course. ------------- https://www.instagram.com/erifrog/ |
Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 00:54
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Well i will include those bands for Big 6 of today's Prog:
Riverside
Porcupine Tree
Pain Of Salvation
Dream Theater
Opeth
Sigur Ros
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Posted By: MadcapLaughs84
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 01:39
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This are my choices in order. 1. Dream Theater
2. The Mars Volta
3. Porcupine Tree
4. Pain Of Salvation
5. Radiohead
6. Mogwai ------------- 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 02:57
someone did put Muse in their six but it wasn't me
 Personally I don't think either Radiohead or Muse should be in there because they are not fully committed to the genre.Both are prog related.However to describe them as 'poppy' is off the mark(although both have done some commercial stuff) and in the case of Porcupine Tree totally raving bananas
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Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 02:58
See - Watchtower - the inventors of prog metal, they are on the site. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: OpethGuitarist
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 03:08
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the "real" 6 in chronological order(based on when they became "big") starting from the 90's. Dream Theater Tool Opeth Sigur Ros The Mars Volta Riverside Just outside are Radiohead(who are by far the biggest, but generally are not considered "prog" by the vast majority of people. I would call them prog-related moreso than anything). Also outside is Porcupine Tree and Pain of Salvation as being close but not quite. ------------- back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 03:52
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Dream Theater
Tool
Porcupine Tree
The Mars Volta
Radiohead
Sigur Ros
special commendation to POS,Riverside,Muse,GYBE,Ozric Tentacles. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 04:46
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And CYNIC were is it in your lists?
CYNIC is very innovative and popular for the Metalheads in the World. This Jazz Death Ambient Prog Metal is the original mix of Mahavishnu Orchestra (and Santana's "Caravanserai" album) with Death. ------------- 
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 11:58
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I absolutely agree with mccrank_yeahrig!
i.e. I've been listening to prog (especially symphonic prog) since 1975, but I couldn't care less about prog metal. Earlier this year, however, I discovered the Tangent, Wobbler and Anekdoten - and I was BLOWN AWAY! The Mars Volta, of course, aren't bad either. Plus, there's Kenso and Shinsekai, from Japan: first-rate symphonic bands, with a strong Canterbury influence. (I don't dislike the Flower Kings or Spock's Beard, but their lead singers invariable get on my nerves...) Happy days are here again! Love, Fuxi |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 12:01
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I think if were gonna go with a modern list of the most important bands in mondern prog it would have to be this (in no order) Tool Porcupine Tree The Marz Volta (although I hate them) Dream Theater The Flower Kings Sigur Ros.
Those are the really big ones, IMO. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 12:39
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speaking for prog metal (I am more familiar with this)
80's start
1. DT
2. Queensryche
3. Fates Warning
90's start
4. Opeth
5. Pain of Salvation
6. Tool
well other bands could be Shadow Gallery, Symphony X (not at top 6, although personal favourites)
I can't see Mars Volta with just two releases (ok, 3...) being in top 6
other big ones from neo prog could be IQ, Arena and Marillion
and of course Porcupine Tree and maybe Spock's Beard
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Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 12:55
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1.) Opeth 2.) The Mars Volta 3.) Porcupine Tree 4.) Dream Theater 5.) Sigur Ros 6.) Blind Guardian ------------- Mesmo a tristeza da gente era mais bela E além disso se via da janela Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor - Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74 |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 13:06
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I'm not really into it but here are nice, sincere bands and artists
Omit
Luigi Archetti
Lamp of Universe
Bequeen
Amps for Christ
Ghost
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 13:49
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^ haven't heard a single one of those ...... what are they like? Sigur Ros, Anglagard and GSYBE are the only ones of your lists that can compete with the 70s. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: September 05 2006 at 14:04
Neil Peart always wanted to be Rush's drummer, so in 1973 he built a time machine (everybody knows he's the brainy one in Rush) and went into the early 90s to find out what future trends would be. He found himself at a DT concert and took copious notes: "combine shrill vocals, heavy riffs, a few synth flourishes, obscure sci fi concepts - and hey, get a load of that drumkit! must get twin bass drums as soon as possible - and aim for a Yes/heavy metal hybrid. The kids will love it"
Returning to 1970s Canada he met up with Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson, showed them the lyrics to By Tor and the Snow Dog and explained the basic concept of 2112 and said that if they got rid of John Rutsey they could all be rich. Lee and Lifeson agreed, and basing their 1970s outpust on ideas that Dream Theater would originally have the following decade they cleaned up with albums like 2112, A Farewell To Kings and Moving Pictures.
Unfortunately for the sinister Canadian trio, Peart (who'd disguised himself as a janitor) had been witnessed using his time machine by four young people and a dog with an amusing speech impediment who travelled around in a psychedelic VW camper van, but they'd have got away with it if it wasn't for those darned kids! ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 07:51
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IMHO,Anglagard is a New Symphonic band - maybe,the most talented of all New Symph bands,but not more innovative than PT or TMV
DREAM THEATER INNOVATIVE?Ha-ha-ha!!! 
Sorry,I love these guys,but to call them innovative...Same goes to MARILLION - I bloody adore them,but...they're NOT innovative,unique or revolutionary sounding IMHO,surely Modern Prog's Big 6 for me: TOOL PORCUPINE TREE OPETH THE MARS VOLTA GYBE PAATOS (has anyone mentioned them?) ANEKDOTEN is close too,but they're TOO influenced by KC.RIVERSIDE is a Modern-Prog clones - they're sounding exactly like mix of all these bands,mainly OPETH,TOOL and PORCUPINE TREE,with touch of neo-prog. Also I don't consider RADIOHEAD or MUSE to be prog at all 
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Posted By: decypher
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 09:29
Definitely - plus bands like Hades, Mercyful Fate/King Diamond, Voivod, Mekong Delta, Sieges Even who all were very influential at that time. (and of course as already mentioned Fates Warning and Queensryche) DT were one of the earlier prog metal bands with a keyboarder equal to the rest but "inventors" of prog metal? No. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 11:19
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'BIG', and atleast a little innovative: Radiohead (Post Ok Computer they defenetly are innovative) Mr. Bungle (Can't help it. In my mind I include both Secret Chiefs 3 and Fantomas) Opeth The Mars Volta Tortoise (not big here, but bigger than Riverside out in the real world) Tool ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: zFrogs
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 16:17
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Prog Metal:
Queensryche - first EP - 1983 (traditional heavy metal); first album - 1984 (prog metal) = The Warning
Fates Warning - first album 1984 (tradicional heavy metal); second album - 1985 (prog metal) = The Spectre Within
Watchtower - first album - 1985 (prog metal) = Energetic Disassembly
Crimson Glory - first album - 1986 (prog metal) = Crimson Glory
Voivod - first album - 1984 (thrash metal); third album - 1987 (prog metal) = Killing Technology
Dream Theater - first album - 1989 (prog metal) = When Dream and Day Unite
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Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 16:38
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Mars Volta Tool Radiohead Muse Porcupine Tree Flower Kings Of the modern prog genres, New Prog, Prog Metal, and Post Rock are pretty well known. Neo-prog isn't really well-known, but the Flower Kings deserve a spot on the Big 6. ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 17:12
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Invented prog-metal? Some bands sometime in the 80's started playing the way prog sounded when it was hard n' heavy in the 70's. And did it in all their songs, all the time. That's not an invention, or innovative. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 17:44
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look. I think people are getting caught up witht his Innovation/Invention thing...
We aren't looking for the 'best' mondern bands. We're looking for the biggest and most important.
Look at the"Big 5" classic prog bands... Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
Genesis
Yes
King Crimson
Expecially JT and PF. I love those bands imensely, but its not like they did anything more innovative than DT. But no one questions their placement in that catagory.
Dream Theater, love 'em, hate 'em..it doesnt matter. They are extremly important to modern prog. They made the genre of Prog Metal what it is today, and brought many new fans ans bands into the Progressive world (myself included...)
I think it would be foolish not to include them. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 06 2006 at 17:46
not to be a ball buster, but the way you phrased that, it sounded like you were calling The Flower Kings a Neo-Prog band...
They really aren't. They are listed here under Symphonic Prog, and I think that is quite fitting.
But it doesn't really matter. ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Figglesnout
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 17:39
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It's nice seeing bands like "Mr. Bungle" mentioned but aren't we forgetting that Mr. Bungle is no longer a band...?
Let's make sure the entries exist =) The msot solid artists I've gotte nso far are: Porcupine Tree, Opeth, The mars Volta, Dream Theater, Tool, Pain of Salvation, and some neo-prog... Also let's keep in mind that my idea of modern is bands that began at the earliest in the late 80s but are still around today creating innovative, progressive music. ------------- I'm a reasonable man, get off my case |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: September 09 2006 at 20:34
I definitely agree with your list but Fates Warning and Queensryche were before Watchtower, so how can Watchtower have invented prog-metal before them? and also, Queensryche's Warning and Rage for order and Fates Warning early albums are not just traditional, prog is there |