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StyLaZyn 
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 Posted: August 14 2006 at 12:33 |
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50 more prog metal bands... Heaven help us all!!! |
Heaven has helped and provided us with 50 more! Prog Metal is my personal savior in the world of listening joy.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 13:02 |
Added Progressive Electronic due to the hard-working men's wish(po zayavkam trudyashihsya  ).
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Progressive??
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 13:07 |
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We need less... something |
of course we do, we need less Progressive Metal!
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Syzygy
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 13:32 |
1. If we put RIO, Avant-Prog, Krautrock and Zeuhl into the same box titled Experimental/Avant-Garde for example, we will get
164 bands under the same roof, which will not be as extensive as other genres. I am saying this because it has been the primary reason to deny further Prog-Metal band "branching" - because we already have too much genres. If so, why not put the least popular, prevailing ones in one box? There's more similarity between bands in these genres than between many Prog-Metal bands, for example.
While I agree that there is a certain blurring of the boundaries between those genres - Univers Zero and Art Zoyd could both be considered Zeuhl, for instance - there are major differences between bands even within those genres to a far greater extent than in prog metal.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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RaślGuate
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 14:32 |
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A warning:
Number of bands, doesn't necesarily mean popularity. The number of reviews could be a better indicator.
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Raff
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 14:37 |
RaślGuate wrote:
A warning:
Number of bands, doesn't necesarily mean popularity. The number of reviews could be a better indicator.
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In the case of Symphonic prog, the explanation is quite easy. The subgenre was originally seen as a sort of dumping ground for any band that did not evidently belong to any of the other more clear-cut subgenres. Therefore, when the major overhaul undertaken by the specialist team began, there were bands of any kind under the sun to be found in the section - even a couple of New Age bands that should've taken out of PA without hesitation. The number of bands in the subgenre should drop below 400 at the end of this operation, though it is likely that this number will remain quite high.
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omri
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 14:44 |
Basically I agree to any suggestion of decreasing the amount of sub-genres.
I will be even more radical and suggest the folowing :
1. Symphonic will include Itallian and complex art roc (KC, VDGG)
2. Most of art rock and some proto-prog (procol harum) will be with prog related in one sub-genre called soft prog / prog related (Moody blues goes to Symphonic).
3. I agree with experimntal / avant prog and also include most of canterbury in (and the rest of it goes to Fusion / Jazz rock).
4. From the little I know I suspect Indo should also move to fusion.
Let's count now :
1. symphonic
2. Folk
3. Metal
4. fusion
5. experimental
6. soft
7. neo
8. electronic (could'nt find somrthing to combine with)
9. post rock (what is that anyway ?)
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 14:48 |
Trickster F., now it seems that we have two threads with the same subject, it would have been better if the starting statistic in this thread was posted in my thread, not for me but looking at the reactions by Syzygy and Omri, these could have been better posted in my thread because of the discussion there ... 
Edited by erik neuteboom - August 14 2006 at 14:50
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omri
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 14:54 |
Erik,
Your thread is allready 9 pages and I hesitate to get in and read so many posts. However, looking at the title it does deal with the same subject and my post fits there.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 14:56 |
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You are right, it's your choice Omri and OK but it's also confusing for those who are following first my thread and now this interesting thread, that is what I mean.
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Fassbinder
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 14:56 |
Trickster F. wrote:
Added Progressive Electronic due to the hard-working men's wish(po zayavkam trudyashihsya). |
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Trickster F.
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 15:18 |
erik neuteboom wrote:
Trickster F., now it seems that we have two threads with the same subject, it would have been better if the starting statistic in this thread was posted in my thread, not for me but looking at the reactions by Syzygy and Omri, these could have been better posted in my thread because of the discussion there ... |
I understand what you mean, I initially intended to just post the statistics, but ended up continuing to express my thoughts afterwards, sorry.
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memowakeman
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 15:22 |
Seems like if the SP team send abnds to Art Rock, Art Rock will be the genre with the majority of bands...
Also seems like if the PM team add lots of bands, in a year Porg Metal will be the first place in owning bands  |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 15:35 |
Progressive?? wrote:
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We need less... something |
of course we do, we need less Progressive Metal! |
Thems fightin' words. 
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 16:32 |
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Don't blame me for that one Sty, I'm just a hippy trippy symphonic old fart. I'm afraid of you angry prog metalers.
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R_DeNIRO
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 17:11 |
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I'm agree in decreasing the number of genres, but I think it's neccesary to create more subgenres. 400 bands or 200 can't be so similar between them. It's useless to have genres if the bands are so different. It will not guide anyone.
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Fassbinder
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 17:34 |
R_DeNIRO wrote:
I'm agree in decreasing the number of genres, but I think it's neccesary to create more subgenres. 400 bands or 200 can't be so similar between them. It's useless to have genres if the bands are so different. It will not guide anyone. |
I think we have two options:
1) to bear with genre distribution (maybe slightly reclassified one);
2) to decrease extremely the number of genres but increase (also extremely) the number of sub...subgenres (sub=n). In this case we'll have enormously big branching graph, where some branches will consist of a single member (with sufficiently big "n"), like King Crimson, Jethro Tull or Van der Graaf Generator.
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RaphaelT
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 18:05 |
In fact, Professor Darwin is what we need or some other great taxognome like Linneus - We are in need of Doctor Tarr And Professor Feather 
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yet you still have time!
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chamberry
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 18:07 |
Trickster F. wrote:
1. If we put RIO, Avant-Prog, Krautrock and Zeuhl into the same box titled Experimental/Avant-Garde for example, we will get
164 bands under the same roof, which will not be as extensive as other genres. I am saying this because it has been the primary reason to deny further Prog-Metal band "branching" - because we already have too much genres. If so, why not put the least popular, prevailing ones in one box? There's more similarity between bands in these genres than between many Prog-Metal bands, for example.
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Believe me that the Krautrock genre alone has alot of difference between bands (try comparing Neu! with Can with Amon Duul II with Ash Ra temple and others) Let alone combining them with RIO/Avant-garde and Zeuhl. I find it better to combine RIO/Avant-garde with Zeuhl. I also agree on combining Raga with Folk prog and Prog related with Proto-prog since the only difference is the timeline (bands that are from 1969 and under are proto and bands from 1970 and over are prog related.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 18:16 |
Trickster F. wrote:
Due to some free time and a restless, seeking mind... |
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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