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Points: 4888 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2006 at 19:57

I agree with Titan, Sacred and Teaflax. IQ's material is not only more consistent, but also actually increaingly exciting thorughout the years. Their newer albums don't sound samey to me: they are loyal to their essence and vision, providing always something new and refreshing with each following album. Sometimes yo ucan feel that their "The Seventh House" is not as accomplished as the previous two, but again, they evidently tired some new textures within their own well-defined style. "Dark Matter" does the same balance between the usual essence and some new tricks, and it really worked A.O.K.

And what shuould the alternative to "samey" be? Go with the flow of Brit-pop and/or contemporary electronics just for the sake of allegedly evolving? Is sounding like the most recent darlings of mainstream music critics (Massive Attack, Radiohead, Muse, Oasis...) really keeping true to yourself? Let's take the Anekdoten for example: in my opinion, the ywere doing well while finding their own voice trhough their experimentation with King Crimson-meets-Present sounds. Now, with "Gravity", they grew closer to brit-pop: voilį, lots of reviewers said that it was their best album so far, it was more personal and original. Well, I don't appreciate Marillion going with the flow and calling it progressing and evolving (I liked most of their "Marbles" album). IQ, on the other hand, manage to breathe the new airs of current rock and prog-related musics and incorporated into their own agenda. Their agenda is their own, so why should they dismiss it?

They are doing great so far, always sound IQ-ish through the ever-present influences.

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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2006 at 19:58
I'm getting ready to venture into the world of IQBig smile, let's hope I'll like it.
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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2006 at 20:36
<<Well, I don't appreciate Marillion going with the flow and calling it progressing and evolving (I liked most of their "Marbles" album).>>

Marillion doesn't label themselves as progressive. I think they're uncomfortable with pinning a label on their music. Maybe research it a bit before passing judgement.

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    I'm just getting into IQ, and I am enjoying it more every time I listen. However, Marillion grabbed me right away. "Script for a Jester's Tear" insantly became one of my favorites in '83. Each subsequent album (Fish era) gave me a similar reaction. IQ doesn't strike me as dramatically.
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Points: 2632 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2006 at 22:39
I find it truly interesting which albums by IQ various people like and dislike.  Almost all of their albums have been mentioned, yet with the possible exception of Dark Matter (a bona fide masterpiece), all of their albums have gotten both "yea" and "nay" comments.  For example, one person feels that Seventh House is "a miss," while another feels it is great.  (I'm with the latter.)  One person feels that Ever is not up to par, while another feels it is amazing.  (I'm with the latter again.)
 
Yet while those who are choosing Marillion may have some differences, they seem to be more "in sync" in their support for the band than IQ fans are.  As an aside, I, too, came to Marillion first, and only discovered IQ in the past year, so IQ is also more "fresh" to me, so I listen to their albums more often right now.  But I played Marbles and Dark Matter about as often as each other, and like them pretty much equally.
 
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Points: 494 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2006 at 22:52
IQ IQ IQ!!!
 
IQ is a much better band than Marillion.
While IQ continued on a progressive path, Marillion moved towards pop,
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Originally posted by Titan Titan wrote:

Yeah if you look at IQ albums from 90, its really amazing, they are still great, maybe even better than in the eigthies ! 
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Originally posted by Zac M Zac M wrote:

I'm getting ready to venture into the world of IQBig smile, let's hope I'll like it.
 
I recommend Dark Matter to start. I think it's their strongest effort thus far. I was luke warm with it at first but it kept ending up in my CD drawer. Now it's in their quite often.
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Points: 1723 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2006 at 02:32
Originally posted by E-Dub E-Dub wrote:

<<I'm a fan of the later work though>>

Tristan, sometimes I think you and I are the only ones who admit it.

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Points: 29402 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2006 at 02:35
Well I'm a big fan of IQ.Marillion have never grabbed my in the same way.The one Marillion album I like is Seasons End.With IQ I can listen quite happily to their entire back catologue.
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Points: 5908 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2006 at 04:36
MARILLION
Their "Script..." which I've got on August,the 1th,2003(still celebrating! ) made me turn to the world of Progressive Rock wholeheartely; even when I listen to some RIO or Post-Rock,I know this is because of "Script...".MARILLION's debut is my favouritest album ever; it's the most melodical,emotional and dramatical album I ever experienced.Half of my posts here somehow related to "Script...".Other Fish-era material(except awful "Clutching...") is almost the same way astonishing and beautiful(from the H-era I like only "Seasons End").

IQ is a good band,probably,the best Neo nowadays(I'd like to see them playing live).They're quite professional in performing and songwriting,but they will never catch me EMOTIONALLY in the way MARILLION did.They have nice dramatic moments("Headlong","Red Dust Shadow"),but they're just less emotional,IMHO.So they're not WORSE than MARILLION - they're just DIFFERENT.



Anyway,I like Fish-era MARILLION more



    

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Sorry, for me its a no brainer:

Fish era Marillion is just brilliant. Musically, lyrically and vibe-wise.

For me, I've never been able to get into IQ. I just find them very ho-hum. I don't dislike them, I think they are a decent band, but I've never heard the same fire in their playing and writing. IQ has just, for me at least, always felt like an exercise in Neo-prog, whereas Fish era Marillion had a spark for me, although Hogarth just drug the band into mediocrity with sporadic moments of WOW! such as Brave and Marbles.

Just an opinion.

EDIT: I know what it is, Hogarth and Nicholls just dont have the same fire and venom in the vocals. I'm not saying they are bad singers, they are not. But Fish just brought something incredibly special to the vocal department that literally transformed everything the band did into high drama, whereas the other guys seemed to me to be just singers.

2ND EDIT: But even the music of IQ doesnt get me going, just sounds like neo-prog by numbers to me. I've really tried to like them: I own Subterrania, Dark Matter, and 7th House. I just dont see anything in the music that separates them from the fold.

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<<I know what it is, Hogarth and Nicholls just dont have the same fire and venom in the vocals. I'm not saying they are bad singers, they are not. But Fish just brought something incredibly special to the vocal department that literally transformed everything the band did into high drama, whereas the other guys seemed to me to be just singers.>>

I agree that Fish has a certain fire about him; but, not taking anything away from him, I see a bit more passion and honesty with Hogarth. I was listening to Script yesterday and Fish oftentimes gets too over-the-top for me. Especially on (I believe) "Forgotten Sons" when he starts in with the whole "As I walk through the shadow...." section. My reasons for preferring Hogarth is I truly believe he sings from the heart.

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Points: 7910 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2006 at 09:33
<<YES, I HAD A PHOTOGRAPHY TAKEN OF ME AND STEVE HOGARTH>>

Pete, Steve, and H signed my copy of Brave.

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Points: 508 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2006 at 11:16
The only neo prog band i really enjoy is IQ
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Originally posted by Rorro Rorro wrote:

The only neo prog band i really enjoy is IQ
 
Same here. Though I do listen to Marillion occassionaly, IQ is miles above the rest.
 
 
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Didnt expect so many IQ fans, great !
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They have completely changed places with me.  In the 80's, Marillion was the much better band in my opinion.  Fish's emotional and personal lyrics added a depth to their music that I still have not found an equal to.  IQ, on the other hand, put out good music, but nothing that grabbed me.  I actually find parts of "The Wake" leaning more towards New Wave than prog (certainly their wardrobe at the time screamed new wave - check out Mike Holmes' hair on "Tales..."Embarrassed).

Through the 90's and until today, IQ have gotten stronger by the CD to the point where"Dark Matter" is one of my favorites.  It still doesn't match the emotion of Fish-era Marillion, but it is exquisite music.  Marillion, on the other hand, has lost the passion (?) that they brought to their earlier works.  Since "Brave", I have not heard anything that makes me sit up and take notice.  I admit to not hearing all of "Marbles", but what I have heard strikes me as more of the same.
 
By the way, I did not start listening to IQ until 2004, whereas I started listening to Marillion in 1983.  That might explain my opinions.
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Points: 176 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2006 at 15:52
It would be interesting to see opinions fish era“s fans, if they prefer "new Marillion (from 1988" or "new IQ (from 1993)", because Hogarth“s era is really different than Fish“s era, quite different band.
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Originally posted by lobster41 lobster41 wrote:

They have completely changed places with me.  In the 80's, Marillion was the much better band in my opinion.  Fish's emotional and personal lyrics added a depth to their music that I still have not found an equal to.  IQ, on the other hand, put out good music, but nothing that grabbed me.  I actually find parts of "The Wake" leaning more towards New Wave than prog (certainly their wardrobe at the time screamed new wave - check out Mike Holmes' hair on "Tales..."Embarrassed).

Through the 90's and until today, IQ have gotten stronger by the CD to the point where"Dark Matter" is one of my favorites.  It still doesn't match the emotion of Fish-era Marillion, but it is exquisite music.  Marillion, on the other hand, has lost the passion (?) that they brought to their earlier works.  Since "Brave", I have not heard anything that makes me sit up and take notice.  I admit to not hearing all of "Marbles", but what I have heard strikes me as more of the same.
 
By the way, I did not start listening to IQ until 2004, whereas I started listening to Marillion in 1983.  That might explain my opinions.
 
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