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VanderGraafKommandöh 
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 Posted: June 06 2006 at 15:57 |
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I do happen to like The Buggles - Video Killed The Radio Star as well as Talking Heads - Psycho Killer. I've never really dipped into the '80s yet. I've got to try and avoid all the mainstream rubbish and try and find some decent stuff.
I am sure Peter Hammill's '80s output is faultless.
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 16:15 |
 Certif1ed wrote:
Trevor Horn was also involved with the Buggles and Frankie Goes to Hollywood, let's not forget...
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The Buggles were fantastic, except for Video... and Clean Clean. Have
you heard their albums at all? Their second one, Adventures in Modern
Recording, is pretty much flawless in my ears.
And Frankie made some truly great singles, just not a great album. Two
Tribes was one of the things that grudgingly made my little Prog snob
self realise that maybe there was some good Pop after all. And on their
debut album, the side-long opening track - featuring guitar from one Mr
Steve Howe - is excellent Prog Pop.
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darren
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 23:36 |
The early 80's was a bit of an explosion of music. There was all kinds of music and many smaller labels florished. Many artists from the 70's really came into their own in the 80's. There was little as far as actual classic prog but music was quite exciting. There was a lot of experimental music like The Art Of Noise, Philip Glass, This Mortal Coil, Cocteau Twins, Kronos Quartet, Danielle Dax and Laurie Anderson. There were many bands that put out quite exciting music. U2 put out some great music. Many might not remember or have been around but their sound was groundbreaking at the time. There was a kind of simplicity, yet it had passion.
It seems to me many of those who criticize 80's music as being boring were either listening to mainstream radio or oldies (50's, 60's and 70's).Either that, or they are too young to realize that many of these bands were unique and their influences can be heard in today's music, so it sounds mainstream by today's standards.
Late 80's mainstream music was terrible and also tainted people's opinions about this decade. This was the beginning of the age of the music producer, like Stock, Aiken and Waterman. Many of their songs differ only in the singer. Because of advances in music production technology, things became formulaic and the producer had the power. Radio stations became more and more dependent on music programmers, rather than letting the d.j. have a say in what is being played.
There was just as much crap music in the 70's as in the 80's. Most of the music of the 80's was immortalized on video, so it's easier to forget the 70's mainstream pop music, the goofy fashions and silly hairstyles (although I admit hair got much more extreme in the 80's). After all, when you say 70's music, do you think Shaun Cassidy, The Carpenters, Abba and Barry Manilow? or do you think of Genesis, King Crimson and Jethro Tull or (insert band here) ?
Needless to say, there is a lot of great 80's music, only the closed minded would say otherwise.
Edited by darren - June 06 2006 at 23:39
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 04:50 |
Teaflax wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
Trevor Horn was also involved with the Buggles and Frankie Goes to Hollywood, let's not forget... |
The Buggles were fantastic, except for Video... and Clean Clean. Have
you heard their albums at all? Their second one, Adventures in Modern
Recording, is pretty much flawless in my ears.
And Frankie made some truly great singles, just not a great album. Two
Tribes was one of the things that grudgingly made my little Prog snob
self realise that maybe there was some good Pop after all. And on their
debut album, the side-long opening track - featuring guitar from one Mr
Steve Howe - is excellent Prog Pop.
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I've got the first Buggles album, and all of it is unlistenable slush - apart from "Video...", which is a great and fresh pop song - if a trifle overplayed.
Once bitten twice shy, I didn't get the 2nd, as I assumed it would be worse.
I love the Frankie singles - but it's Trevor Horn's production that makes them great. FGTH were less than mediochre songwriters, as much of the "Pleasuredome" album shows clearly.
Horn's production and arrangements were utterly masterful though, on this occasion.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 08:17 |
I am one of the 80's haters, and I blame most of the bad music on the MTV phenomenon. I hit the 80's when I was 17 and I was no social recluse, but I refused the pop music happening. I actually had enjoyed some punk in the late 70's. but when post punk, new wave and other musical currents happened, I was really disgusted
The best "mainstream or radio friendly" 80's bands were actually 70's bands (Police, U2 etc..) and most of my disliking of that decade comes from new wave (mainly) , but the Funk Scene as well AND the Hair (Glam) Metal  from those years >> BTW NWOBHMB did not do much for me either (outside laiden, I enjoyed NONE)
Naturally, the (relative) poorness (as opposed to other prog genre) of Neo-prog has not helped matters either.
But as classic prog had died, Jazz-rock was definitely running out of steam (and was often heading towaeds later ECM jazz and closer to elevator music), New Age etc..., not much was there for me to like
So I went on to discover the 60's in jazz and rock, but it did not stop me fgrom listening to weird bands like Bahaus or Killing Joke I would not say I liked these bands, but they did offer something other than crappy commercial stuff. Not enough for me to have a good opinion of that decade, though!
However had I known of Univers Zero and Present (their core works happened in the 80's) back then, I would've appreciated that decade better. But there was no acces to that music either.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 08:43 |
Certif1ed wrote:
I've got the first Buggles album, and all of it is
unlistenable slush - apart from "Video...", which is a great and fresh
pop song - if a trifle overplayed.
Once bitten twice shy, I didn't get the 2nd, as I assumed it would be worse.
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Well, if you hate pretty much all of The Plastic Age, I guess
'twouldn't be yer cup o' tea. But I find The Plastic Age, Astroboy (and
the Proles on Parade), Johnny on the Monorail and especially I Love You
(Miss Robot) to be better Pop songs than Video...
Either way, I'm pretty certain you too would find Adventures... a better album, question is if it's better enough to you to make it worth the effort and outlay.
Certif1ed wrote:
I love the Frankie singles - but it's Trevor Horn's production that
makes them great. FGTH were less than mediochre songwriters, as much of
the "Pleasuredome" album shows clearly. . |
Oh, indubitably. Sides
one and two of the vinyl were the only thing that really held up, and
even then just barely.
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 08:44 |
Sean Trane wrote:
I am one of the 80's haters, and I blame most of the
bad music on the MTV phenomenon. |
Then again, almost none of
the really good music of the decade was played on MTV, so...
Edited by Teaflax - June 07 2006 at 08:44
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:47 |
Teaflax wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
I am one of the 80's haters, and I blame most of the bad music on the MTV phenomenon.
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Then again, almost none of the really good music of the decade was played on MTV, so...
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Fully agreed
but since radio followed suit to MTV, the better 80's stuff never got exposure until internet exploded and the re-issues on Cd happened >> the 80's probably have lotsa "hidden treasures" still buried somewhere by completely unknown but worthy artistes
However since I hate the way they played drums in that decade, I am always a little wary of records from that decade >> old tricks from old dogs 
Hence my discovery of some good 80's prog (but in RIO), but in the last ten years.
Edited by Sean Trane - June 07 2006 at 09:48
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 10:11 |
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Radio has always been mostly crap, though. I never really understood
people who used that as a way of discovering and following music. For
me it was always having a few friends who were music nuts and lots of
mix-tape trading.
I can't recall ever having found a new artist via radio, and precious
few via some music shows on TV (in fact, European MTV used to have
slightly more adventurous bent during the first few years and would
occasionally show something that wasn't blanded down).
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el böthy
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:50 |
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Theres nothing worst than an electronic ´80 drum...oh...its just so anoying... I mean... Duran Duran...how can you tolarate that?...and the worst thing is that now in Argentina there is a certain retro ´80 thing going on...well, everywhere...I mean this new bands like the Killers sound so crapy...so ´80...
But there were some good stuff...Iron Maiden and Metallica specially
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darren
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 22:21 |
Sean Trane wrote:
The best "mainstream or radio friendly" 80's bands were actually 70's bands (Police, U2 etc..) and most of my disliking of that decade comes from new wave (mainly) , but the Funk Scene as well AND the Hair (Glam) Metal from those years >> BTW NWOBHMB did not do much for me either (outside laiden, I enjoyed NONE)
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Just wondering, you say they were "actually 70's bands". Their music that was released in the 80's, doesn't that qualify as 80's music?
Also, exactly how is U2 a 70's band. Seriously, I'd like to know.
Edited by darren - June 07 2006 at 22:42
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 23:33 |
The Police rule! 
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 02:56 |
darren wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
The best "mainstream or radio friendly" 80's bands were actually a 70's bands (Police, U2 etc..) and most of my disliking of that decade comes from new wave (mainly) , but the Funk Scene as well AND the Hair (Glam) Metal from those years >> BTW NWOBHMB did not do much for me either (outside laiden, I enjoyed NONE)
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Just wondering, you say they were "actually a 70's bands". Their music that was released in the 80's, doesn't that qualify as 80's music?
Also, exactly how is U2 a 70's band. Seriously, I'd like to know. |
the group's first releases were in the 70's (not that sure for U2, though, but ) is what I meant
Dire Straits >> 70's band
Police >> 70's band
The Jam >> 70's band
etc...
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:43 |
el böthy wrote:
Theres nothing worst than an electronic ´80 drum...oh...its just so anoying... I mean... Duran Duran...how can you tolarate that?...and the worst thing is that now in Argentina there is a certain retro ´80 thing going on...well, everywhere...I mean this new bands like the Killers sound so crapy...so ´80...But there were some good stuff...Iron Maiden and Metallica specially
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I agree that the 80's drum sound is spectacularly naff - but Duran Duran and a very few others built a great sound around that naffness, IMO.
If you listen to the music instead of being distracted by the drum sounds, Duran Duran were talented musicians - as their side projects also verify.
I defy you to listen to "Wild Boys", "Planet Earth" or "Girls on Film" and not admit that there's something really imaginative about the music and composition - whether you like it or not.
If you still don't like it, watch the full-length video for "Girls on Film". Then you'll like it 
Such a pity that Metallica turned crap in the 1990s - as you say, they were outstanding in the 1980s. Anyone who was not into metal at the time missed out on the really good stuff, IMO.
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:50 |
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FWIW, I think the best Duran Duran album is Notorious. Even better is
the album made by the 3/4 of Duran Duran at the time; Arcadia's So Red
the Rose.
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WaywardSon
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 05:54 |
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I remember Tears for Fears. I saw a solo album by the guy Orzabel (or something like that ) on sale. Has anyone heard it? I heard it was quite experimental.
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kenmeyerjr
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 20:11 |
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My wife hates the 80's as a decade for music, but that logic is so wrong, I don't know where to start the argument. I mean, the bands that either started or came really to the fore in that decade include Prince, U2, REM, Costello and many others of integrity and talent. It is too easy to dismiss a whole decade because of a few Kajagoogoos in the mix. The 70's were thought of in that way for awhile. I think, the more distance you get from the decade, the more the actual good music stays with you and reminds you of what was good at that time. The bad stuff just becomes fun because of it's innate crappiness.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 20:12 |
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And, I DO consider bands like U2 80's bands, even though their start may have been in the late 70's..I think it depends on which decade they are really identified with, and that is usually the decade in which they were the most popular or really seemed new...Police also fall in that area for me.
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Posted: June 08 2006 at 20:16 |
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Should have looked over the thread before I answered myself twice! Teaflex, great list and should be enough to show anyone what great music, amidst the crap, that filled the 80's. And, great post as well, Daren.
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darren
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Posted: June 09 2006 at 01:09 |
Sean Trane wrote:
darren wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
The best "mainstream or radio friendly" 80's bands were actually a 70's bands (Police, U2 etc..) and most of my disliking of that decade comes from new wave (mainly) , but the Funk Scene as well AND the Hair (Glam) Metal from those years >> BTW NWOBHMB did not do much for me either (outside laiden, I enjoyed NONE)
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Just wondering, you say they were "actually a 70's bands". Their music that was released in the 80's, doesn't that qualify as 80's music?
Also, exactly how is U2 a 70's band. Seriously, I'd like to know. |
the group's first releases were in the 70's (not that sure for U2, though, but ) is what I meant
Dire Straits >> 70's band
Police >> 70's band
The Jam >> 70's band
etc...
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yes but Zenyatta Mondatta, Ghost In The Machine, Synchronicity >> 80's music. I'd even make the arguement that Regatta de Blanc would qualify, since it was released late in '79 and didn't catch on in many areas outside of the UK until the next year.
This is what I was meant. The music itself is 80's music, as it was realeased in the 80's.
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