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Poll Question: Can you see it highly ranked?
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it's pretty mediocre compared to Lateralus and Aenima and I hope it isn't ranked too highly.

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Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

it's pretty mediocre compared to Lateralus and Aenima and I hope it isn't ranked too highly.
The single is really cool ... and with all due respect: Even if you're listening to the leaked version you can't possibly have listened to it long enough to reach a final verdict (not you personally, I think noone can).
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As many people have said, this album seems like a giant step sideways for Tool, they haven't really progressed much. Now that Maynard are the gang are nearing their 50's and Tool releases a new album once every ten thousand years it is doubtful we will see much more from them which makes 10,000 Days a huge dissapointment for me and other Tool fans (the tool fans that areb't idiots at least)

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Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

As many people have said, this album seems like a giant step sideways for Tool, they haven't really progressed much. Now that Maynard are the gang are nearing their 50's and Tool releases a new album once every ten thousand years it is doubtful we will see much more from them which makes 10,000 Days a huge dissapointment for me and other Tool fans (the tool fans that areb't idiots at least)
 
Thanks for calling me an idiot.
 
BTW: Where is it written (on whatever they write it on in hereWink) that artists must always change sound and direction with every album?
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It is not written anywhere, but in the many years since their last release I expected them to mature at least a little bit, instead the sound is the same as Lateralus without the driving heaviness.

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Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

It is not written anywhere, but in the many years since their last release I expected them to mature at least a little bit, instead the sound is the same as Lateralus without the driving heaviness.

IMO
 
Actually I hoped that they would make an album similar to Lateralus ... something like a logical progression from Lateralus, but not too far from it. Big smile
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Originally posted by Rashikal Rashikal wrote:

It is not written anywhere, but in the many years since their last release I expected them to mature at least a little bit, instead the sound is the same as Lateralus without the driving heaviness.

IMO
 
So if I wasn't disapointed by 10,000 Days then I'm an idiot?  I'm sorry but I think its the perfect follow up. 
 
Anyway I think this album is vastly different then Lateralus.  Songs like Rosetta Stoned, Wings for Marie- don't sound anything like Lateralus.  I can't agree that they haven't matured.
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I haven't downloaded and won't download the leak, so I'm not familiar with the new album, but I think Robertplantowns was right about the 'Octavarium Effect'... in more ways than one. Read this (I don't know the original source of this quote, I found it on the John Petrucci forum here: http://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34056&page=6)
 
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More and more I think the leak is fake. I think the tracks, other than Vicarious, that were release were b-sides that existed before they began production on the album that will be released on May 2nd. I have collected a lot of evidence and here it is in as concise a format as I can get it in order to most evident to least:

1. In the September 2005 newsletter Blair wrote: "Okay, first there was the decoy record just to confound all those would-be bootleggers out there. This took, oh, about a year, just because the band members wanted it to sound pretty close to the real thing (so as to be believable), along with equally believable art design." Read it for yourself http://www.toolband.com/news/letter/2005_09.php

2. Here is a clip from a 2002 show that you can clearly hear the intro to Wings to Marie http://download.yousendit.com/D2F68E5C3AAE87EE -- from this it's evident that at least one track has existed for quite a while.

3. Listen to Vicarious (which I think is a legit track from the new album), listen to the drum that sounds like an alarm at about 40 seconds into the song. It's an electronic drum right? So what, Danny has lots of them. Well what is special about this drum is that it's his new drum, he didn't have it on any of the previous albums. It was made exlusively for him (other people can now buy it). The difference between this and his other drums is that it can be configured to make a louder sound the harder you hit it. That is why he is able to make that alarm sound gradually grow louder. On his other electronic drums it doesn't matter how hard you hit them, they make the same sound. Now, you say, so what? Well go to the website for the drum (http://synesthesiacorp.com/home.html) and click "endorsees". You will see a picture of Danny and a line that says "listen for Mandalas [the name of the drum] all over Tool's upcoming release 10,000 days." well I have listend all over 10,000 days, and guess what? Vicarious is the only song where this drum appears. There are spots with other electonic sounds, but nothing he hasn't done before - nothing like the alarm sound on Vicarious. Why would Danny work with this company to design a drum that he only uses in one song? Why does the site say "look for it all over 10,000 days" when it's in only one song? Because these leaked songs existed before Danny had the drum.

4. Listen to The Pot. Get past the begining where Maynard sounds like Madonna. Now listen to his voice. That voice is what his voice sounded like 10 years ago - it does not sound like that anymore because he has gotten older. Listen to the base. That is Paul D'Amour not Justin Chancellor. Listen to how hard it is. Listen to how he slaps it. Justin doesn't play like that. Listen to a few songs on Undertow and then a few on Lateralus (or just listen to Vicarious) there is a big difference in the way the base guitar is played on both of those albums (don't listen to AEnima - both Justin and Paul played on it). The difference in style in the way the base is played in The Pot and Vicarious is striking. It's obvious that The Pot has existed for a long time.

6. This reason is weak since I don't have a source, but I remember reading an interview in drummer's world or something with Danny Carey, and he mentioned that they had enough material left over from Lateralus to make another album.

5. - This one is notedly weak, and people disagree with me on it, and that's fine, but I think it's valid.... The lyrics suck. Perhaps suck is the wrong word. I think Rosetta Stoned is ****ing hilarious, but it's more along the lines of Maynard's Dick, which was a hidden track. I don't think Tool would ever release something that non-sensical - ditto on The Pot. As for Wings for Marie and 10,000 Days, I know the song is about his mother, but the lyrics are way to christian for me - they are from the guy who wrote "**** your God, your lord, your Christ.", "praise the one who left you broken down and paralized, he did it all for you","deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow", "you showed us you weren't affraid to die, well so long." etc. etc. It seems odd now that we get, "i have come home now fetch me the spirit the son, and the father tell them their pillar of faith has ascended it's time now, my time now
give me my, give me my, wings" I know it's about his mom - but he did write the song Judith, which made me blush when I found out that was his mom's name... maybe he felt bad after she died.

Well, that's what I've got. Honestly I was quite dissapointed when I heard this album the first time. I read an interview with either Justin or Adam that said they wanted to try something different on this album, perhaps make it into the next Wall. And he said that they were the only band out now that could do that. He is right, they are the only band that could do something that monumental, and this leaked album is not it. After I had put this evidence together and convinced myself that this album wasn't real, I started to enjoy the songs. I am happy that Tool has given it's eager fans something to listen to. And I am doubly excited that we get the real deal on may 2nd.

What do you all think... let the name calling commence.
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One more reason for waiting for the release.
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After reading the arguments I have pretty much changed my point of view 180 degrees and now believe that the "10,000 days" I possess is not really the Tool album. We'll just wait until the 2nd of May and see, personally I can wait.
 
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Yeah, I'm jumping on the fake bandwagon.

Another thing, I read an interview with Adam a few days ago in which he said Jambi had distorted vocals.  Now, I dunno what Jambi he's talking about, but the one that leaked sure doesn't have distorted vocals.

Anyrate, I think this is Tool's greatest prank yet.  When I first heard it, first thing I said was "No way... this has got to be a fake."  The deeper I dig, the more likely my initial assumption seems to be.  Sure, the "album" has some really good moments, but all in all... it lacks any drive and motivation.  It seems to lack any cohesive effort... and after five years, I strongly doubt they'd release something with that little effort put into it.

All in all, great prank.  I'm busting a gut over it.  Can't wait for the real thing.
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It's not even as good as Lateralus --- probably because these tracks are nothing new and thus don't have much to offer.
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Hard to say how high it will be ranked. I would expect it to be somewhere in the Top 100 but I don't expect to seriously see it in the top twenty...

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Originally posted by ivansfr0st ivansfr0st wrote:

After reading the arguments I have pretty much changed my point of view 180 degrees and now believe that the "10,000 days" I possess is not really the Tool album. We'll just wait until the 2nd of May and see, personally I can wait.
 
 -- Ivan
 
What?  Oh my God...  I just can't believe people think Tool would spend the time and money recording and promoting a decoy album, or that Maynard would put a 20 minute song about his mother on a decoy album.
 
This album has already been shipped and leaked again and again.  God, I can't believe a few conspiracy theorists can gain so much ground in convincing people without any legitimate arguments.
 
I can't believe people have the balls to say Tool has not progressed.  Danny is now using bells, tabla, bongo, electronic drumming, and special effects cymbals, and while that doesn't make the drumming more intricate, it adds tons of variety to it.  Adam and Justin have gotten way more intricate with their playing, and Maynard is pulling tons of experimentation with his voice, which he had never really done before except on The Grudge.  You can say you don't like the new album, but I doubt you can back up that they haven't changed or progressed.
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Judging from the single, I thinkn it would probably be highly rankedBig smile
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Originally posted by int_2375 int_2375 wrote:

God, I can't believe a few conspiracy theorists can gain so much ground in convincing people without any legitimate arguments.
 
Their arguments make sense to me.
 
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It's totally unbelieveable that Tool would release a fake album... just like it was unbelieveable that Tool would release a fake version of Schism as a Radio Single for Lateralus.Wink  Come on, Tool is EXACTLY the band who would create a fake album just to mess with fans.  Not only would they, they have.  No doubt here.  The arguments for it far out-weigh those supplied by people like int 2375.
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Just one more day... we're almost there. Shocked
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I got it, it's in my hands...
 
Here in the UK the release date was 1st of May
 
I cannot judge yet, I need to listen to it a lot of times
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 01 2006 at 22:38
I have listen to this whole album and I have to say I DON"T LIKE ONE SONG ON IT. I think TOOL should be put to rest and continue on with  A PERFRECT CIRLCE.
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