10,000 Days - Tool
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Topic: 10,000 Days - Tool
Posted By: Meddler
Subject: 10,000 Days - Tool
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:09
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To anyone whos heard this album, or parts of it, could you see this album in the top 20 ranked albums here on PA? Just curious. Might be too early to ask though  |
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:10
Promoting/listening to leaked albums isn't cool, and how can someone judge an album by one song?  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:13
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Dunno, don't care until it comes out.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:14
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From an early listen I must say it sounds like a very promising album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: 46and2
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 20:18
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havent heard it yet, but it better rank well...*shakes fist*
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 21:51
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Here's a thought... If it's a good album, it'll be highly ranked. I personally can't imagine Tool putting out a bad album at this stage of their career. ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: robertplantowns
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 22:26
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I think we will see the same "Octavarium effect." Rabid fans will be the earliest ones to post reviews which will all be 5 stars and 10,000 days will shoot to the top of the list, but then as time passes and cooler heads prevail the album's newness will wear off and more people will give it reasonable reviews. Also since the amount of anti-Tools are about the same as anti-Dream Theaters, I think we can expect some 1s along with serious bashing of the album which will temper its rise up in the list. I haven't come to the opinion of whether this will be seen as a masterpiece, it certainly will by Tool fans and I think the album has strong chances of entering the top 100.
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Posted By: dagrush
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 22:36
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Considering how much people love Lateralus here, I can see it getting pretty high up there. I've heard it (listening to it a second time right now, actually) and I'd say it's on par with the last two.
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Posted By: Oxygen Waster
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 22:48
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I caved and listened to one song "the pot" and loved it...I am waitin for the rest though. No use waiting this long and then spoiling it you know? |
Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 22:53
Sure it will be highly ranked , but not because its good ... because its 'Tool' .... pretty immature really ... I refer to it as the Kiss with make up syndrome 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: April 19 2006 at 23:29
PLEASE PEOPLE!!! I AM BEGGING YOU DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!!!  I really hope everyone stays cool about it, and only posts their reviews and positive/negative threads after listening carefully and thinking it all the way through. With albums this popular it is CRUCIAL that we do not let initial reactions and mob mentality cloud our actual opinions of the music. That said, the album is very good, and I think will earn a spot in the top 100 eventually, but I hope not immediately. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
robertplantowns wrote:Posted By: int_2375
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 00:05
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I've already given the album five listens and posted my text review of it. Most people base their negative reviews on one listen, so I think five is more than adequate to have determined I liked it. I don't think it will get any higher than Lateralus here, although IMO it deserves top 10. |
Posted By: GFoyle
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 00:06
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Well I'm uncool and listened the whole album and if Lateralus is highly ranked then 10 000 Days will be as well. Of course there will be people who hate it, but I think the majority will love it. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 00:30
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Posted By: int_2375
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 00:44
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Try not to clutter the thread with unnecessary double posts. The topic's question is whether you think it will be highly ranked on the top 100. edit- oh cool you deleted those two posts before I could even say anything, except your new one is just as pointless and unfounded. |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: April 20 2006 at 08:22
| Of course it will rank high! Coz there are so many non prog fans in here now.... |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 14:59
You never know; just because it's released doesn't mean that everyone who heard it did so from a leak |
Posted By: bctruce
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 16:24
I couldn't possibly disagree with you more. Immature? Funny. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 16:39
Quite. How should I know?  I will post my opinion here though, give me another month.------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 19:07
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Maybe, but somewhere in the top 100
I need to hear it first, then I'll hopefully give it a better review than my other Tool reviews ( on other sites that is) |
Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 19:09
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it's pretty mediocre compared to Lateralus and Aenima and I hope it isn't ranked too highly.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 19:14
The single is really cool ... and with all due respect: Even if you're listening to the leaked version you can't possibly have listened to it long enough to reach a final verdict (not you personally, I think noone can). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 19:18
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As many people have said, this album seems like a giant step sideways
for Tool, they haven't really progressed much. Now that Maynard are the
gang are nearing their 50's and Tool releases a new album once every
ten thousand years it is doubtful we will see much more from them which
makes 10,000 Days a huge dissapointment for me and other Tool fans (the
tool fans that areb't idiots at least)
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 19:20
Thanks for calling me an idiot.
BTW: Where is it written (on whatever they write it on in here  ) that artists must always change sound and direction with every album? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 19:22
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It is not written anywhere, but in the many years since their last
release I expected them to mature at least a little bit, instead the
sound is the same as Lateralus without the driving heaviness. IMO -------------
listen to Hella |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 19:25
Actually I hoped that they would make an album similar to Lateralus ... something like a logical progression from Lateralus, but not too far from it.  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: int_2375
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 04:25
So if I wasn't disapointed by 10,000 Days then I'm an idiot? I'm sorry but I think its the perfect follow up.
Anyway I think this album is vastly different then Lateralus. Songs like Rosetta Stoned, Wings for Marie- don't sound anything like Lateralus. I can't agree that they haven't matured.
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 06:56
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I haven't downloaded and won't download the leak, so I'm not familiar with the new album, but I think Robertplantowns was right about the 'Octavarium Effect'... in more ways than one. Read this (I don't know the original source of this quote, I found it on the John Petrucci forum here: http://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34056&page=6 - http://www.petrucciforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34056&page=6 )
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 07:17
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One more reason for waiting for the release. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: April 22 2006 at 16:33
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After reading the arguments I have pretty much changed my point of view 180 degrees and now believe that the "10,000 days" I possess is not really the Tool album. We'll just wait until the 2nd of May and see, personally I can wait.
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Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: April 25 2006 at 23:38
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Yeah, I'm jumping on the fake bandwagon. Another thing, I read an interview with Adam a few days ago in which he said Jambi had distorted vocals. Now, I dunno what Jambi he's talking about, but the one that leaked sure doesn't have distorted vocals. Anyrate, I think this is Tool's greatest prank yet. When I first heard it, first thing I said was "No way... this has got to be a fake." The deeper I dig, the more likely my initial assumption seems to be. Sure, the "album" has some really good moments, but all in all... it lacks any drive and motivation. It seems to lack any cohesive effort... and after five years, I strongly doubt they'd release something with that little effort put into it. All in all, great prank. I'm busting a gut over it. Can't wait for the real thing. |
Posted By: DeepPhreeze
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 00:14
| It's not even as good as Lateralus --- probably because these tracks are nothing new and thus don't have much to offer. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 01:41
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Hard to say how high it will be ranked. I would expect it to be somewhere in the Top 100 but I don't expect to seriously see it in the top twenty... ------------- 
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Posted By: int_2375
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 05:04
What? Oh my God... I just can't believe people think Tool would spend the time and money recording and promoting a decoy album, or that Maynard would put a 20 minute song about his mother on a decoy album.
This album has already been shipped and leaked again and again. God, I can't believe a few conspiracy theorists can gain so much ground in convincing people without any legitimate arguments.
I can't believe people have the balls to say Tool has not progressed. Danny is now using bells, tabla, bongo, electronic drumming, and special effects cymbals, and while that doesn't make the drumming more intricate, it adds tons of variety to it. Adam and Justin have gotten way more intricate with their playing, and Maynard is pulling tons of experimentation with his voice, which he had never really done before except on The Grudge. You can say you don't like the new album, but I doubt you can back up that they haven't changed or progressed.
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 10:04
Judging from the single, I thinkn it would probably be highly ranked
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 11:38
Their arguments make sense to me.
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Posted By: ResidentAlien
Date Posted: April 26 2006 at 16:40
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It's totally unbelieveable that Tool would release a fake album... just
like it was unbelieveable that Tool would release a fake version of
Schism as a Radio Single for Lateralus.
Come on, Tool is EXACTLY the band who would create a fake album just to
mess with fans. Not only would they, they have. No doubt
here. The arguments for it far out-weigh those supplied by people
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Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 12:16
Just one more day... we're almost there. 
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 12:47
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I got it, it's in my hands...
Here in the UK the release date was 1st of May
I cannot judge yet, I need to listen to it a lot of times
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 01 2006 at 22:38
| I have listen to this whole album and I have to say I DON"T LIKE ONE SONG ON IT. I think TOOL should be put to rest and continue on with A PERFRECT CIRLCE. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:01
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^ are you maybe over-reacting??
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:12
The statement only proves that you don't know much about Tool (or more precisely: about how Tool relate to A Perfect Circle). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:24
Very true. For the misinformed............APC is NOT a Tool side project.They were formed by former Tool guitar tech Billy Howerdel,who also writes most of the music.Maynard heard some of Billy's tunes and ASKED if he could sing for them,and he was actually Billy's second choice because Howerdel originally wanted a female singer. -------------  |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 12:29
Yeah I Know Tool's History and APC's I Bought Tools First EP Opiate the Day It Was Released and I wasn't very impressed, Then I heard Sober, And Prison Sex from Undertow which i though were good after that Ĉnima and Lateralus just weren't that great and now they still haven't matured with 10,000 Days.
I have every Tool LP and i can say i only like a handful of their songs. I think Maynard and Billy Howerdel should Keep A Perfect circle and dump Tool. Tool Just doesn't cut it, the vocals are sloppy and incoherent. He sings much better with A Perfect Circle and Billy's Guitar is also much better with APC.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 12:34
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If you like only a handful of Tool songs why do you bother buying their albums?
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 12:40
For The False hope they might mature into a better band instead of getting worse. I am glad i was able to download 10,000 Days this time for .90 cents. This time i didn't have to waste $15.00 on a bad CD. I have also sold all the Cd's I had from them.
I gave them a fair change. They Just Don't do it for me. Now OPETH are great they matured over their Albums.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 12:42
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That's cool,it's a matter of personal taste and opinion. I also agree with you about Opeth,they have shown maturity and progression with each subsequent album,but I think that Tool have also. ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 12:58
Just out of curiosity: Where can you download that album for 90 cents?  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 13:23
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^ I can tell you Mike but it's illegal out of it's country of origin....
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Posted By: Pale Fire
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 13:41
Hold on a sec, you are saying they haven't matured over time even though their sound has been slowly drifting from metal to prog-metal, which is a lot more creative and embraces larger libraries of influences which touch on all the CD's that we've come to love here at PA? Not to mention, 10,000 days doesn't have a lot of crazy guitar nonsense on it, which is generally the mark of an immature metal band. If anything, you're looking for something which is never coming, which is for Tool to return to flat out metal. If you're not a fan of anything from Aenima on, then I'd say get off the tool train, they're going to do nothing but disappoint you from here on out with their "still-waiting-to-mature" sound. ------------- [IMG]http://eonbluepatient.com/images/fire.png"> |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 14:04
I think you've been had mate, I've just bought the album and theres no 20 minute epics on there, the longest songs are 11. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:04
Download AT
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:06
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^ ok - thought as much. Not legal, but unlikely to be prosecuted. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:08
You're Right I finally Gave Up On Tool train
 . Too many Disappointments one after another I listen to real Prog Metal -> OPETH blow them away
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:11
Actually not illegal they are a Russian website. Where they are aloud to this.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:16
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Sure, but they only have permission to sell the files to Russian citizens. It's been discussed in Germany too, and it's only a matter of time until judges will say that there is enough public awareness of the illegality of such cross-border websites to even prosecute end users which purchase "stolen" content there. Just like people are prosecuted if they buy fake Rolex watches in these countries and bring them home. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:22
THIS IS THE WRONG THREAD FOR THIS TALK
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:30
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^ agreed - no more of it. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:36
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^ back to the album...
any thoughts? Mike, Progtologist???
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:40
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I have concluded that 10,000 Days just doesn't cut it for me. It just fast, incoherent, and unstable.
I'll stick to APC, and Opeth. They mature with every Album.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:40
Well I want to know whether the "Tool album that was leaked" is 10000 Days or not...
Has anyone compared the two yet?
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:51
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:51
Yes,they are one and the same Tony. The sound and mix on the actual cd is alot better though. ------------- |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:51
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^ Many people have said that the leak and the real album are identical. But of course there might be more than one leaked version ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 16:57
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^ still no comments from you two...
first impressions?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:10
Here's my first impression: http://www.ratingfreak.com/db/reviews/_auto_1357688.xhtml - http://www.ratingfreak.com/db/reviews/_auto_1357688.xhtml  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: magoo
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 18:03
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After reading through this whole thread .. there seem to be a lot of people that don't like this new album. Some people were convinced the leaked album was a prank by tool .. and even offered a crapload of supposed evidence to back their theories. (Sure wasted your time didn't ya .. ) Some people are complaining that it's not like Opiate .. or any of their other albums. No album is going to be like it's predecessor. A snip from an MTV interview with Kurt Loder: Loder: You seem a lot less angry now than you were back in the early Tool days. Do you worry about the fans who say they miss that old, angry Maynard? Keenan: No. You can go out and buy the records. There's Opiate [a 1992 EP], there's Undertow. The whole idea is to get it out: Write the song about it, spout off about it and get over it. I suppose I could repeat myself over and over again, but what's the point of that? The idea is, if I can't heal from my art, then how can you heal? So I've worked some things out and moved on. I'm sure this speaks for all the members of the band .. do you really expect them to put out the exact same stuff on every album ? If you do .. then you have no idea what TooL is about .. go listen to Backstreet Boys. I got to hear the album a few weeks ago. It wasn't from a leak, tho if it was I still would listen and wouldn't feel bad about it. I bought my store copy last night and ordered an Alex Grey signed copy a week ago. 1. Vicarious - Their radio song .. everybody's heard it. 2. Jambi - Very in your face, great time changes .. Floyd'ish .. even some talk box action. 3. & 4. Wings for Marie/10,000 Days - Certainly a change in tempo for the album .. a 17 minute piece that offers some insight into Maynards life. When you're not in the mood to rock out .. it's real cool. 5. The Pot - Threw me for a loop with stuff Maynard does with his voice .. but it's DIFFERENT from any other album and is all around badass. 6. Lipan Conjuring - If you can figure it out .. it might be cool .. filler track IMO. 7. Lost Keys - Seemingly a continuance of Faaip De Oaid. Bleeds into .. 8. Rosetta Stoned - I love the lyrics to this song. Whether or not you believe in aliens .. area 51 .. etc ... it tells an interesting story. Very cool. 9. Intension - Somewhat reminds me of APC .. Danny does some cool drum programming in this one. 10. Right In Two - Got a political feel from this one. Cool song, neat tabla stuff in the middle of it. 11. Vigniti Tres (23) -- Don't really get this one. Creepy. Dark. Tool. 10,000 Days has a little bit of something for everybody .. new and old fans alike. I was a bit bummed not to find a drum solo of sorts from Danny. I had the feeling there would have been from some of Blair's postings on their site. Anyway .. I'm just happy I got a ticket to see one of the small venue shows this Saturday. Still learning about a lot of cool bands on this board .. I think it was Xenoxen that suggested Opeth in a post ... I'm really diggin them. =] -- magoo |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 18:20
I have every Tool LP and i can say i only like a handful of their songs. I think Maynard and Billy Howerdel should Keep A Perfect circle and dump Tool. Tool Just doesn't cut it, the vocals are sloppy and incoherent. He sings much better with A Perfect Circle and Billy's Guitar is also much better with APC.
This isn't over-reacting is just plain criticism of band who should have evolved by now
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 18:36
ALL Ready Answered this
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 19:22
It sounds like they have evolved to me, 10000 Days sounds nothing like Lateralus, theyve done that and moved on. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 22:02
It's only different not better
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 22:06
The sad part is that you can see evolution in Opeth's music but not Tool's. Can you honestly listen to Opiate then listen to Lateralus or 10,000 Days and say that there is no progression or evolution in their sound? ------------- |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 22:07
Hey...Progtologist...how would you rate this album?...From one to ten, and also make some comparations with the other album...thanks Im curious to know your thought about this...as I think of you as the biggest Tool fan in the forum...or at least one that knows everything that threr is to know about them... ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 22:11
Right now on a one to ten scale I will give it a tentative 8. Give me a few more days to listen to it and let it all soak in and I'll give you my thoughts on it EB. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 22:15
All i hear is them being different not maturing it still sounds all the same to me. Manard's vocals are just horrible with Tool. He sings much better with APC. Same wilth Billy's Guitar. IN APC you can really hear their talent but with tool it's almost thrash.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 23:45
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I'm done with this conversation. You don't like them,fine by me.Your loss. I'm getting tired of you saying the same things over and over again. ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 23:50
 Me too |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 02 2006 at 23:51
Wow Xeno.....we actually agree on something!!!!!!!!!!!!  ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 15:56
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Vicarious Hmmm The Concept is mighty fishy - Like the same concept PG- The barry williams Show
Not too origina l
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 19:36
at least someone listens |
Posted By: Space Chief
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 19:37
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Does anyone know what the supposed "Backwards message" in Intension is? ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 03 2006 at 19:50
These lyrics are played backwards: Work hard, Stay in school, Listen to your mother, your father is right/rising/right, son... Jesus loves you... Work hard, Stay in school, Listen to your mother, your father is right/rising/right son...) |