Black Metal

You have obviously never heard Ulver's early material, nor Arcturus's. They were black metal.

Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth are not black metal, and nor are King Diamond.

DB, well they used to be anyways, but are now Gothic metal.
Cradle of Filth are Gothic metal, always have been, always will be.
King Diamond is Traditional Metal (aka Heavy metal)

All good bands you mentioned.

Black metal is just an excuse to deferinciate themselves from other genres of metal, theres no significant change between deathmetal or dark/black/hairy metal. I used to listen to 'melodic' deathmetal such as inflames and children of bodem when i was younger but atleast they had some uplifting riff work. Ive heard afew leviathian songs, they can get pretty techinal but its so bloody depressing.

This pointless explosion of genres make me nauseated.




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nowax wrote: I  have unfortunetly listened to this music. I have  stopped for "psychological" reasons, because I became crazy. (wake up on the groud a night in my bedroom, screaming like in a horror film, because I thought a corpse, lenghtended by my side, was taking one of my arms). Imagine a world, where every one is listening to BM style : not happy thing ! So I do not listen anymore to this type of music, because it is a choice of life : no hate.

Agreed! - its all hate hate hate.

Aspera hiems symphonia is actually Melodic Black metal, keyboards don't make the album non-Black metal =)

Ulver's Bergtatt and nattens madrigal are the only black metal albums (mind you they have folk influences), their second, album is pure folk.

Anyways, as for those two morons, it wasn't Black metal that f**ked you up, it was your dumbass.

Black metal is easily differentiated from Death metal, and while I would like to provide examples, you wouldn't listen to them

Also, not all BM is hate based, and even if it is, you have to be a f**king pussy to be affected by it. ANyways, to prove my point here are some lyrics from the band: Solefald.

Solefald - Philosophical Revolt, from the album The Linear Scaffold wrote: Luna plina - lift your veil of silver Red wine rebellion - drown yourself in vain Control and strength - cultivating sense Regressive dreams - living in the past Atmosfear - emptiness inside Disintegration - scatered sence of life Realised impermanence - the sunrise of the human mind Realised perfection - artwork out of body Realised corruption - artwork out of mind Remaining permanence - the sunset of the human mind Confucios, Lao - Tse, Socrates, Plato, Schopenhauer, Nietzche, Sartre & Beauvoir Defend the name of nobility itself The art of intellectual reflection My mistress of mental desire - Not bound to rules nor form - philosophy -

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Crushed Aria wrote: You have obviously never heard Ulver's early material, nor Arcturus's. They were black metal. Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth are not black metal, and nor are King Diamond. DB, well they used to be anyways, but are now Gothic metal. Cradle of Filth are Gothic metal, always have been, always will be. King Diamond is Traditional Metal (aka Heavy metal) All good bands you mentioned.

Well, tell me what bands are black metal then... Is (early) Satyricon, Darkthrone, Dimmu Borgir, Emperor, Immortal, Carpathian Forest, Mayhem, Dark Funeral, Dødheimsgaard, etc etc... not black metal ? OF COURSE they are, and those bands are some of the most pathetic I can imagine. For God's sake, look at them.

I don't care how talented musicians they might be. On some level, they are extremely immature.

http://ruthlessreviews.com/top10/10blackmetal2.html

(Mature, intellectual musicians for sure!)

Ulver isn't black metal at all. However, they were on their first albums, and those were ridiculous.

Satyricon, Darkthrone, Dimmu Borgir, Emperor, Immortal, Carpathian Forest, Mayhem, Dark Funeral, Dødheimsgaard

Yes, all of those bands have been, or were at one point in time.

The fact that they have different ideals from you does not make them mature, they stand up for what they believe in and do it wether or not it gives them sh*t from people who don't like their way of thinking. Their strong and firm convictions to their unpopular beliefs makes them indeed very mature.

I also, do not really see what is so "immature" about Emperor.

You obviously have never divuleged into the BM underground, where you have many bands, like the ones I mentioned that write very philosophical lyrics and the like. It isn't all "gay for Satan" stuff.

I was not calling anyone a pussy for not liking metal, I said that you have to be a pussy, to be AFFECTED by the music, that or a f**king overly obcessed Christian.

Their first and third albums were black metal, and how they are "rediculous" is beyond me. They are two of the most atmospheric and beautiful albums you will ever hear.

I wasn't even refering to you man. I was refering to nowax.

I was not stereotyping Christians, I said the overly obcessed ones. Anyways, I am free to stereotype all I please.

So you don't care if you look like a jackass lol?

I had not called him a pussy because he didn't like the music, I fully respect peoples right to dislike the music. I was calling nowax that because he said the music did all that kind of sh*t to him.

"Meshuggah and Opeth are good examples of Progressive Death Metal"

No they are not.

Opeth are Prog. metal with Harsh vocals. The harsh vocals do not make the band death metal. They lack the genre-defining riffs.

Meshuggah, on the other hand, are not DM either, and are rather hard to describe, but they lack the genre-definding riffs, and can I guess be called "post-thrash."

I guess so, in a sense. Though, they differ alot from most Prog. Metal bands. It is really the only way to classify them under a real genre.