Did Punk really kill prog all that much?

Those who know the "score" know that punk and disco did their best to damage prog ..  facts are facts .. argue all you like  >>

We can blame it on punk and disco and yes, there was a huge backlash against prog as their was against disco.  But the biggest problem with prog in the later 1970s was that the chief players became more concerned about the money.  Steve Howe joined Asia because he was dissatisfied with the fact that Yes never had a major album, like The Wall, that eveyone listened to.  Big deal; that was not what people who listened to yes were all about.  ELP started to make albums that their fans just did not want to hear with shorter poppier songs.  When they got back together in the 1990s they did the same thing and people still did not want to hear it. Pink Floyd did the Wall with that disco.  It was a far cry from Wish You Were Hear. Although later I realized that the disco was probably satircal. Genesis, well that's the legendary story. Fripp realized this back in 1975 and broke up King Crimson.  It's the difference between being a muscian and a being a rock star. Musicians do not mind playing club dates and small venues to get their music out to the public. These guys just became so spoiled, and think what the word spoiled really means.

Police = NOT punk.

They were far better songwriters, far more creative, far better musicians than any of the punk I've heard from any time period, which I admit happily, is very limited.

Just because a band plays up-tempo songs in 4/4 time does not mean they're punk.

Cygnus X-2 wrote: stonebeard wrote: Police = NOT punk. They were far better songwriters, far more creative, far better musicians than any of the punk I've heard from any time period, which I admit happily, is very limited. Just because a band plays up-tempo songs in 4/4 time does not mean they're punk. But Stewart Copeland often played polyrhythms under the 4/4.

Are you using that to try and make the case for them being punk?

stonebeard wrote: Cygnus X-2 wrote: stonebeard wrote: Police = NOT punk. They were far better songwriters, far more creative, far better musicians than any of the punk I've heard from any time period, which I admit happily, is very limited. Just because a band plays up-tempo songs in 4/4 time does not mean they're punk. But Stewart Copeland often played polyrhythms under the 4/4. Are you using that to try and make the case for them being punk?

I wrote the wrong word, I shouldn't have used "but", however, I will say that in no way shape or form are The Police punk... they're more like a reggae-ish pop/rock.

stonebeard wrote: Cygnus X-2 wrote: stonebeard wrote: Cygnus X-2 wrote: stonebeard wrote: Police = NOT punk. They were far better songwriters, far more creative, far better musicians than any of the punk I've heard from any time period, which I admit happily, is very limited. Just because a band plays up-tempo songs in 4/4 time does not mean they're punk. But Stewart Copeland often played polyrhythms under the 4/4. Are you using that to try and make the case for them being punk? I wrote the wrong word, I shouldn't have used "but", however, I will say that in no way shape or form are The Police punk... they're more like a reggae-ish pop/rock. For the most part, yes that is true. Of course, Outlandos d'Amour (sp?) is VERY close, arguably punk musically. The difference is The Police never had the punk attitude, because that's not what they really wanted to be. They were a pop/rock band with an affinity for reggae. It's just that punk was all the range in the late 70s and practically any band doing that sort of thing had a better shot at a record contract. In due time, the Police revealed their true nature, with Regatta de Blanc and so on. Listen to "Spirits in the Material World" and the rest of Ghost in the Machine and tell me the Police were a punk band! That is boarderline prog at times.

Exactly. They had a punkish flare but never went punk. And Ghost in the Machine is a great album.

I don't think punk "killed" prog.  Not at all. What I think it did is show punk bands that they could execute their vision in shorter, more concise songs (tapestries of sound).  Hell, Rush did it (SIGNALS, PERMANENT WAVES, MOVING PICTURES, etc.). So did Yes (DRAMA, 90125, etc.)

it's not really a question of hearing disco, it's more of a feel thing.  And I can definitly feel a disco-esque vibe from the song, due mainly to the rhythm section.

still not hearin any disco in the wall... sorry bud >>>

it is not a matter of hearing or debate.  Both Another Brick in the Wall and Run Like Hell have a modified disco beat in the drum part: every beat has a bass drum.