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W.Chuck 
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 Posted: January 23 2006 at 06:14 |
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I haven't heard 90125, except "Owner of a lonely heart", which is really nice, but I have Drama and I love it, especially the last track, "Tempus Fugit". This awesome bass and this cheerful "...YES..." !
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Winter Wine
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 07:36 |
 W.Chuck wrote:
I haven't heard 90125, except "Owner of a lonely heart", which is really nice, but I have Drama and I love it, especially the last track, "Tempus Fugit". This awesome bass and this cheerful "...YES..." ! |
Ha I LOVE that part in Tempus Fugit 
I you like "Owner of a lonely heart" like I do then you may very well like 90125, great album
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chopper
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 07:52 |
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I like Drama and have played that quite a lot since I got the remaster. I have to admit that I only occasionally listen to 90125 and then only the first 3 tracks. I prefer Big Generator! (that should generate a bucketload of abuse!).
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snowdogx1
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 08:23 |
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90125 came out at a time when I was just getting into Yes after hearing Close To The Edge and Fragile, so I still had a more open mind to the new direction of the band. A good album which saved them from oblivion with the help or Trevor Rabin. I've come to realise recently that Drama is definately in the top 5 best Yes albums. I don't think there's a weak point on the whole thing. Give a serious listen to Machine Mesiah. It's an absolute magnificent Yes epic. Sure, I missed having Jon's vocals, but Trevor Horn brought a unigue voice in his own right. I can only imagine what the follow-up to Drama would have been if that line-up had remained in tact. Please, don't dismiss Drama just because Jon and Rick aren't present. It's a classic.
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Ricochet
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 10:31 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Drama's decent...
90125 is absolutely horrible...
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Drama is excellent, 90125 is absolutely horrible as you well say but Big Generator is even worst. 
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no,I find Drama just decent...not much into it...
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Winter Wine
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 10:52 |
Ricochet wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Drama's decent...
90125 is absolutely horrible...
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Drama is excellent, 90125 is absolutely horrible as you well say but Big Generator is even worst.
Iván
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no,I find Drama just decent...not much into it...
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Yeah but really they're both excellent, just not your taste
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Ricochet
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 10:55 |
Winter Wine wrote:
Yeah but really they're both excellent, just not your taste |
uh...well I think taste makes me say if an album is horrible or good... 
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Genesisprog
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:06 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
I don't like a single note of 90125, it's not even good POP, it's a hybrid and absolutely mediocre IMO.
If I want to listen good POP I buy Fleetwood Mac, if I wanto get Prog' music I buy Yes. Sounds totally artificial, it's not the music that Yes plays better, you won't ask Duran Duran to play Gates of Delirium because it will suck. I don't ask Yes to play Owner of a Lonely Heart without Steve Howe, because that's not what they do better.
On the other hand Drama is an excellent album, I don't see it like a 100% Yes album, but it's excellent, much better than Going for the One and Tormato if you ask me.
Iván
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GFTO ? Awaken ,wonderous stories ,turn of the century .Hello ???
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Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all !
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:39 |
Genesisprog wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
I don't like a single note of 90125, it's not even good POP, it's a hybrid and absolutely mediocre IMO.
If I want to listen good POP I buy Fleetwood Mac, if I wanto get Prog' music I buy Yes. Sounds totally artificial, it's not the music that Yes plays better, you won't ask Duran Duran to play Gates of Delirium because it will suck. I don't ask Yes to play Owner of a Lonely Heart without Steve Howe, because that's not what they do better.
On the other hand Drama is an excellent album, I don't see it like a 100% Yes album, but it's excellent, much better than Going for the One and Tormato if you ask me.
Iván
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GFTO ? Awaken ,wonderous stories ,turn of the century .Hello ???
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I never liked GFTO, exceptwhen Rick uses theÉglise St. Martin’s Church Organ in Vevey Switzerland. , his choice of keiyboards is terrible, sounds like a watered version of Yes playing witha cheap Casio.Jon Anderson's voice sounds more accute than ever.
And at the end, it's my taste, I believe that Machine Messiah alone is better than the whole GFTO.
Iván
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stonebeard
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:46 |
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Hmmm...I just can't see that Ivan. Can you give me an example of the bad keyboard use?
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Winter Wine
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:51 |
Going for the One for me gets ***** it has those lush, rich sounds like on "Turn of the Century" and it ROCKS "Going for the One". Also that slightly eerie, beautiful build up at the end of "Awaken" is amazing. I think that was a time of harmony in the band, and it shows on the record.
But Ivan if you're gonna like Drama more cool, it deserves the recognition.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:52 |
Stonebeard wrote:
| Hmmm...I just can't see that Ivan. Can you give me an example of the bad keyboard use? |
Honestly I'm not an expert in keyboard brands, but I have two ears to feel when the keyboards sound great and when sound horrible, and in this case sounds terrible IMHO.
Iván
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stonebeard
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:56 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Stonebeard wrote:
| Hmmm...I just can't see that Ivan. Can you give me an example of the bad keyboard use? |
Honestly I'm not an expert in keyboard brands, but I have two ears to feel when the keyboards sound great and when sound horrible, and in this case sounds terrible IMHO.
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Well, OK. I just like that entire album and I can't see what you mean. Nut if you don't like it, then you don't like it, eh? 
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Winter Wine
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:13 |
Something that amuses me when it comes to 90125 is when people say - "Yeah it's a good Pop/Rock album but it's a bad PROG album" and then give it a bad review
Hmmmm, well Close to the Edge would be a bad "Reggae" album, because it's not supposed to be a Reggae album, so why give it a bad mark overall?
Why can't people just review it for what it is?? Maybe if this was a different site it would get a better mark. Personally i'd give it ***1/2 or ****. It's pop/ Rock with touches of prog.. I can't imagine any mindless pop band getting the intro to "Changes" or "Leave it" right
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akin
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:15 |
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Drama is very good. I don't like very much 90125 (it is not a bad album, but I don't like it)
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stonebeard
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:16 |
Winter Wine wrote:
Something that amuses me when it comes to 90125 is when people say - "Yeah it's a good Pop/Rock album but it's a bad PROG album" and then give it a bad review
Hmmmm, well Close to the Edge would be a bad "Reggae" album, because it's not supposed to be a Reggae album, so why give it a bad mark overall?
Why can't people just review it for what it is?? Maybe if this was a different site it would get a better mark. Personally i'd give it ***1/2 or ****. It's pop/ Rock with touches of prog.. I can't imagine any mindless pop band getting the intro to "Changes" or "Leave it" right
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Simply beacuse as the ratings go, one rates it based on good an album it is in the gnre of PROG ROCK (this is a prog rock site, after all.)
EX: 90125 ratings:
YES "90125" ratings (111 entries)
 Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music (19%) |
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 Excellent addition to any prog music collection (23%) |
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 Good, but non-essential (30%) |
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 Collectors/fans only (11%) |
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 Poor. Only for completionists (18%) |
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Erotomania
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:17 |
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i haven't heard drama, but i have 90125 and i love it...tracks such as cinema, leave it (the acapella version is incredible), owner of a lonely heart and changes (one of the band's best, incredible track, really) are amazing, and this record shows a new stage of the band, which is more experimental than other records and includes their "adventure" through pop music...
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Step after step,
We try controlling our fate,
When we finally start living
it's become too late...
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Winter Wine
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:21 |
stonebeard wrote:
Winter Wine wrote:
Something that amuses me when it comes to 90125 is when people say - "Yeah it's a good Pop/Rock album but it's a bad PROG album" and then give it a bad review
Hmmmm, well Close to the Edge would be a bad "Reggae" album, because it's not supposed to be a Reggae album, so why give it a bad mark overall?
Why can't people just review it for what it is?? Maybe if this was a different site it would get a better mark. Personally i'd give it ***1/2 or ****. It's pop/ Rock with touches of prog.. I can't imagine any mindless pop band getting the intro to "Changes" or "Leave it" right
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Simply beacuse as the ratings go, one rates it based on how good a prog rock album it is.
EX: 90125 ratings:
YES "90125" ratings (111 entries)
| Essential: a masterpiece of progressive music (19%) |
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| Excellent addition to any prog music collection (23%) |
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| Good, but non-essential (30%) |
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| Collectors/fans only (11%) |
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| Poor. Only for completionists (18%) |
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I see your point, but I find it wierd the way albums are judged purely on how prog they are. And in this case, if you look at the reviews, not many people argue that point, its more "It's crap because Owner of a Lonely Heart is on it" 
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Vompatti
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:53 |
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Drama is excellent and 90125 is very good too.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:59 |
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I'm not to keen on Drama, except for Tempus Fugit, but 90125 is an excellent album!
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