Drama and 90125
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Topic: Drama and 90125
Posted By: Winter Wine
Subject: Drama and 90125
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 17:36
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Over the past while i've been listening to these two albums and I love them both, they are excellent. I can't say which I like more, probably Drama. I was seriously put off from these two albums as there is so much, er, Drama surrounding them. I had always loved Owner of a Lonely Heart but I never felt the need to dig up the record and give it a good listen. I'm glad I did! All those bad reviews are SO undeserved. 90125 is not as "prog" as most Yes albums but the strength of the songs and the members of the band make that irrelevant, even the short instrumental "Cinema" is fantastic. I urge people to open their minds and give these albums fair listens. Does anyone feel the same way? ------------- My computer's broke |
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 17:41
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I've never had a problem with Drama, though it is a little odd considering the line-up. I've never liked "Owner of a Lonely Heart," and I've sampled some other stuff on that album, and I didn't like it a bit. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: troy
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 17:44
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I like 90125... so there! ------------- SUNSET IS AN ANGEL WEEPING HOLDING OUT A BLOODY SWORD NO MATTER HOW I SQUINT I CANNOT MAKE OUT WHAT IT IS POINTING TOWARD |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 17:46
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 18:37
Drama, I find 90245 a bit too poppy, but both are very good ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Thufir Hawat
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 18:59
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I do agree with you, people on this site Are so preoccupied with hating these Albums (other albums as well) that they Never Really respect them as being different. ------------- "I can't see through my eye lids" |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 19:29
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90125 is a great album. Nice to see Yes trying something new and fresh. They couldn't remake CTTE forever. Drama is also very good. I don't hate pop by prog bands as much as most, I'm happy when these bands get the commercial due they deserved (Genesis) ------------- 
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 19:38
90125 is a great album - I love it - I love Drama a bit less though  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:15
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one of the great things about Yes.... people talk about not doing album after album of say ... Close to the Edge pt. 2, 3, or 4. Yes was always changing album to album, another mark of how great a group Yes were. After TFTO, which was much like CttE. You had Relayer, GFTO, Tormato, Drama, and 90125. People talk about Relayer being an abnormality in Yes's catalog, how about the change, the evolution over the mid 70's to the mid 80's. Every one of those albums was completely different from each other, and only GFTO was a throw back of sorts to a previous album. Both Drama and 90125 are great albums, taken on their own merits. Compare them to CttE and sure they come up short, but what doesn't. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:18
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Excellent points. 90.. is a great album and Owner saved Yes from oblivion ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:20
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I don't like a single note of 90125, it's not even good POP, it's a hybrid and absolutely mediocre IMO. If I want to listen good POP I buy Fleetwood Mac, if I wanto get Prog' music I buy Yes. Sounds totally artificial, it's not the music that Yes plays better, you won't ask Duran Duran to play Gates of Delirium because it will suck. I don't ask Yes to play Owner of a Lonely Heart without Steve Howe, because that's not what they do better. On the other hand Drama is an excellent album, I don't see it like a 100% Yes album, but it's excellent, much better than Going for the One and Tormato if you ask me. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:25
You mean 90245 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:32
You mean 90210....sorry 90125, but cheesy TV show and cheesy album, so not a problem if I mix both numbers. It was a stupid lapsus, sorry, already edited my post. Iván -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 20:33
hahahhahah..... you go Ivan! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: calgary669
Date Posted: January 22 2006 at 21:36
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I do like both, although I much prefer Drama. (Although I do miss Jon) There's a few songs on 90125 that are a bit too much on the poppy side, but Cinema makes up for that! ------------- What happened to this song we once knew so well??? |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 00:42
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Drama's decent... 90125 is absolutely horrible... ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 01:07
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Drama is excellent, 90125 is absolutely horrible as you well say but Big Generator is even worst. Iván -------------
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Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 01:19
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track 6 on 90125 is awesome. everything else leaves me cold. Drama is solid. |
Posted By: ken4musiq
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 02:13
| I like 90125 and actually, when it first came out, it was refreshing to see Yes actually finding something to do after Tormato and Drama. I can admit I saw these tours. Drama was the last in the round and it was painful watching that Buggles guy, was it Trevor Rabin, trying to sing through the Yes catalogue. Actually, 90125 was a good tour. It was good to have Jon Anderson back. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 05:16
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I think they're both great albums, with Drama just coming out on top for me. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: W.Chuck
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 06:14
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I haven't heard 90125, except "Owner of a lonely heart", which is really nice, but I have Drama and I love it, especially the last track, "Tempus Fugit". This awesome bass and this cheerful "...YES..." ! ------------- 
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 07:36
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Ha I LOVE that part in Tempus Fugit I you like "Owner of a lonely heart" like I do then you may very well like 90125, great album ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 07:52
| I like Drama and have played that quite a lot since I got the remaster. I have to admit that I only occasionally listen to 90125 and then only the first 3 tracks. I prefer Big Generator! (that should generate a bucketload of abuse!). |
Posted By: snowdogx1
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 08:23
| 90125 came out at a time when I was just getting into Yes after hearing Close To The Edge and Fragile, so I still had a more open mind to the new direction of the band. A good album which saved them from oblivion with the help or Trevor Rabin. I've come to realise recently that Drama is definately in the top 5 best Yes albums. I don't think there's a weak point on the whole thing. Give a serious listen to Machine Mesiah. It's an absolute magnificent Yes epic. Sure, I missed having Jon's vocals, but Trevor Horn brought a unigue voice in his own right. I can only imagine what the follow-up to Drama would have been if that line-up had remained in tact. Please, don't dismiss Drama just because Jon and Rick aren't present. It's a classic. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 10:31
no,I find Drama just decent...not much into it... -------------
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Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 10:52
Yeah but really they're both excellent, just not your taste ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 10:55
uh...well I think taste makes me say if an album is horrible or good...  -------------
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Posted By: Genesisprog
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:06
GFTO ? Awaken ,wonderous stories ,turn of the century .Hello ??? ------------- Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity- I Love Them all ! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:39
I never liked GFTO, exceptwhen Rick uses theÉglise St. Martin’s Church Organ in Vevey Switzerland. , his choice of keiyboards is terrible, sounds like a watered version of Yes playing witha cheap Casio.Jon Anderson's voice sounds more accute than ever. And at the end, it's my taste, I believe that Machine Messiah alone is better than the whole GFTO. Iván -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:46
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Hmmm...I just can't see that Ivan. Can you give me an example of the bad keyboard use? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:51
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Going for the One for me gets ***** it has those lush, rich sounds like on "Turn of the Century" and it ROCKS "Going for the One". Also that slightly eerie, beautiful build up at the end of "Awaken" is amazing. I think that was a time of harmony in the band, and it shows on the record. But Ivan if you're gonna like Drama more ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:52
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Stonebeard wrote:
Honestly I'm not an expert in keyboard brands, but I have two ears to feel when the keyboards sound great and when sound horrible, and in this case sounds terrible IMHO. Iván -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 11:56
Well, OK. I just like that entire album and I can't see what you mean. Nut if you don't like it, then you don't like it, eh? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:13
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Something that amuses me when it comes to 90125 is when people say - "Yeah it's a good Pop/Rock album but it's a bad PROG album" and then give it a bad review Hmmmm, well Close to the Edge would be a bad "Reggae" album, because it's not supposed to be a Reggae album, so why give it a bad mark overall? Why can't people just review it for what it is?? Maybe if this was a different site it would get a better mark. Personally i'd give it ***1/2 or ****. It's pop/ Rock with touches of prog.. I can't imagine any mindless pop band getting the intro to "Changes" or "Leave it" right ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: akin
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:15
| Drama is very good. I don't like very much 90125 (it is not a bad album, but I don't like it) |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:16
Simply beacuse as the ratings go, one rates it based on good an album it is in the gnre of PROG ROCK (this is a prog rock site, after all.) EX: 90125 ratings: YES "90125" ratings (111 entries)
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Posted By: Erotomania
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:17
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i haven't heard drama, but i have 90125 and i love it...tracks such as cinema, leave it (the acapella version is incredible), owner of a lonely heart and changes (one of the band's best, incredible track, really) are amazing, and this record shows a new stage of the band, which is more experimental than other records and includes their "adventure" through pop music... ------------- Step after step, We try controlling our fate, When we finally start living it's become too late... |
Posted By: Winter Wine
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:21
I see your point, but I find it wierd the way albums are judged purely on how prog they are. And in this case, if you look at the reviews, not many people argue that point, its more "It's crap because Owner of a Lonely Heart is on it" ------------- My computer's broke |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:53
| Drama is excellent and 90125 is very good too. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 23 2006 at 12:59
| I'm not to keen on Drama, except for Tempus Fugit, but 90125 is an excellent album! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 24 2006 at 01:14
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