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Fantômas
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Posted: August 09 2005 at 20:36 |
The story is pretty crappy, but it's the only decent Genesis album, IMO.
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: August 09 2005 at 20:48 |
Fantômas wrote:
The story is pretty crappy, but it's the only decent Genesis album, IMO.  |
haven't seen you in a while Fantomas (my mirror image) how are you?
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AngleofRepose
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Posted: February 25 2006 at 19:31 |
The story is complicated, but if you sit down with the lyrics and the liner
notes and listen for an hour and a half, you'll understand it.
As to what it means, I've only a few partial guesses. I like what one guy
said about it being part of the timeless appeal of the lamb is that it's so
ambiguous as to it's meaning. The band members have given so little in
the way of direction towards understanding.
Greatest album of all time. My favorite anyway.
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Posted: February 25 2006 at 19:33 |
Fantômas wrote:
The story is pretty crappy, but it's the only decent Genesis album, IMO.
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my thoughts the exact opposite hahahhaha
The story is pretty decent but it's the only crappy Genesis album IMO.
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ken4musiq
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Posted: February 25 2006 at 23:54 |
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I'm sure this topic has come up before. Or maybe I'm wrong and it belongs on a literary arts forum. Anyhow, I've been listening to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway by Genesis lately. I want to know what this album is about; it seems very thick with symbolism. I've looked over the internet and have not been able to find in depth coverage of this album. Does anybody have any idea what this album is really about? I get lost after "Grand Parade." Any input would be much appreciated. |
The Lamb is a tough cookie to crack. Unlike the Beatles who could pull off something abstract like Yellow Submarine and get away with it 'cause they're The Beatles, Genesis did not have that clout so we don't have a film.
Genesis had a problem with trying to popularize their abstract, very artsy, music and I would say that the Lamb is an attempt towards that end although the second side is very surreal. The lyrics and idea are still very abstract but Gabriel uses a lot of rhyme schemes and familiar everyday (very real) images. The problem is that there is no narrative to follow and without a film to give us that narrative, we are left on our own.
The Lamb is an epic, an adventure story taken by Rael. Usually a writer will give a a clue to the meaning of a work in the names of people in the work. Rael might look like another word, for example. The Slipperman is another. Don't let the language fool you just enjoy it. If it sounds funny it is supposed to be funny. "Dock the dick" is just what you may think.
I would say that the underlying idea that you should think of is in the most popular chorus "we've got to get in to get out." There's a reason why that is the most unforgettble chorus. If it sounds important it is important. Seeing the movie Quadraphenia may also help because I hear a lot of the soundtrack and the story as well in The Lamb.
Genesis had toured supporting Lou Reed in 1973. NY was bankrupt and all the images that conjure your mind when you think of NY are in the lyrics. Prog from 1968-1973 is pretty comfortable with its romantic, escapist notions. After 1973 it becomes less comfortable with that aspect of the music. Its listeners are growing up after all. If you were 18 in '68 you are now 25 in 1975.
I hope that helps a little.
I think the lamb is Johnny Rotten. He was a Gabriel's creation anyway. 
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 26 2006 at 04:35 |
I'll repeat what I said in the "Lamb vs. Wall" thread:
interesing that many people seem to think the 2nd part of TLLDOB is
"weak". I much prefer it to the first part. it is definitely the more
experimental part. but when looking at the story it is quite fitting the
album develops like this, because the adventures of Rael just get
weirder and weirder, so I don't really complain. by far the best album
of Genesis.
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Posted: February 26 2006 at 04:42 |
I only really like half the songs alot, but there is some real cool stuff. But I gotta say Gabriels vocals are pretty mediocre on this album
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martin prog 77
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Posted: February 26 2006 at 04:48 |
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TIME AFTER TIME IAM WASTING MY TIME LIVING IN A PAST WHERE I WAS STRONG,BUT NOW IM GONE.I LEAVE NO SHADOW WHEN IM ALONE.ILL STAY FOREVER IN MY DREAMS WHERE YOU ARE NEAR.-D. Gildenlow
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Posted: February 26 2006 at 08:39 |
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Progger
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Posted: February 26 2006 at 10:22 |
One of the most overated albums of all time, even by Genesis's poor standards. As for the story? there isn't one! Tony Banks has stated that PG's insistence on writing the lyrics weakened the album and the storyline [if there is one] is weak!
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ShrinkingViolet
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Posted: February 26 2006 at 10:32 |
**Warning , Warning **
The lunatics have escaped from the asylum , some are yelling "The Lamb is crap ", some are yelling " Gabriels vocals are poor ! " , " some are even saying Genesis are crap "............after Wind and Withering they were ! but don't worry these people will be caught and dealt with ...please remain calm!
This is a message from Rael
** Do not adjust your moniters **

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Progger
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Posted: February 26 2006 at 10:59 |
Fantômas wrote:
The story is pretty crappy, but it's the only decent Genesis album, IMO.  |
You just about got it right
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Chicapah
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:05 |
Why you're at it you can tell me what Ulysses by James Joyce is about! Vagueness is an art, I guess.
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"Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain
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Winter Wine
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Posted: February 27 2006 at 12:09 |
Progger wrote:
Fantômas wrote:
The story is pretty crappy, but it's the only decent Genesis album, IMO.  |
You just about got it right
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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!! 
The album is a masterpiece and Genesis' best after 'Foxtrot'.
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 03:57 |
Here we go:
http://www.rawbw.com/~marka/music/lamb.html
http://www.genesis-music.com/
http://www.genesis-movement.co.uk/
http://www.repfoto.com/repfoto/genesis/index.htm
http://genesis-path.net/joes_lamb.html
http://www.xtcidearecords.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi? forum=36&topic=860&start=40
...Am I the only one who gave a bit of info here?..
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 05:54 |
gabriels voice on back in nyc are aweful. His voice sounds like fingernails on a black board during parts of the lamb ;)
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 05:57 |
The lamb is one of the top 3 Genesis albums...Id rate it between Foxtrot and Selling England
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Fragile
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 06:36 |
gentletull wrote:
gabriels voice on back in nyc are aweful. His voice sounds like fingernails on a black board during parts of the lamb ;) |
The sound is the intended sound to cause the greatest effect on the listener.It fits perfect with the music and as for your descrption of his voice, well, there is only one soloution, a huge syringue for those orejas of yours.
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 07:55 |
gentletull wrote:
gabriels voice on back in nyc are aweful. His voice
sounds like fingernails on a black board during parts of the lamb
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but that's the purpose! he is Rael, a 17-year old street kid. you can't
expect him to sing "oh what a beautiful morning" in a clear and rich
tenor voice. it wouldn't fit! to sing this song differently would
create a dichotomy
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Ounamahl
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Posted: February 28 2006 at 08:39 |
For me (I can't understand even half of the lyrics  ), The Lamb is about Rae'ls journey in the afterlife (or a dream).
Journey of growing up, simply put. Like Counting Out Time, it tells
about Raels first time? Or Am I Wrong, the lyrics are just so funny
there.
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