Is Punk all that bad?

Punk is actually a good style of music, or was. But modern 'punk' has lost its roots, and has inevitably become a joke to more complex music fans. Punk is actually one of the truest forms of rock music, in that it isn't really about complex lyrics, or meanings, just the pure enjoyment of the sometimes rebellious, sometimes fun music. But, what modern 'punk' bands have become is the worst transformation of any musical genre there is.

For instance, The Ramones lyrics: "I wanna be sedated"
Simple Plan lyrics: "How could this happen to me?"

Now punk is as crap as rap.

Gentle Ronnie wrote: Rashikal wrote: coheed and cambria, 3, the mars volta are examples of prog-punk. you 40 year old genesis-worshippers need to open your minds. You just made yourself look like a prick, congratulations!

As a 40 year old guy who kind of worships Genesis and has been guilty of a closed mind now and then... It's kind of chillingly accurate post when you consider it's immediately after a comment of mine.

Someone earlier mentioned Primus as prog punk!!!
Maybe prog, but deffinitly not punk! Anyway, I don't think there can be prog punk, because if it was really complex and long or anything, it would no longer be punk.

I hate punk, by the way.

Hemispheres wrote: Prog Punk Bands Pere Ubu The Cardiacs Wire Swell Maps The Stranglers The Pop Group The Fall The Birthday Party Television Nomeansno Primus Inner City Unit Butthole Surfers Listen To These Bands And Tell Me There Not Progresive

All of them a lot more interesting than anything released by Yes, Genesis or Pink Floyd after 1980.

As for prog punk - try Ruins, who blend hard core punk with prog musicianship to amazing effect.

Dick Heath wrote: ANDREW wrote: Absolutely not! Sorry but i don't agree with you. Sorry Andrew, such comments piss me off and provoke the reaction:  you haven't heard enough prog or understand what it is about!  Prog fans shouldn't be so close minded - prog musicians aren't: Live in Concert [Live]   The Stranglers & Friends  (Artist) 1. Introduction - Jet Black, The Stranglers 2. (Get A) Grip (On Yourself) - Hazel O'Connor, Robert Smith, The Stranglers 3. Hanging Around - Hazel O'Connor, Robert Smith, The Stranglers 4. Tank - Robert Fripp, Peter Hammill, The Stranglers 5. Threatened - Robert Fripp, The Stranglers 6. Toiler on the Sea - Phil Daniels, Robert Fripp, The Stranglers 7. Raven - Basil Gabbidon, Peter Hammill, The Stranglers 8. Dead Loss Angeles - Phil Daniels, Wilko Johnson, The Stranglers 9. Nice 'N' Sleazy - Basil Gabbidon, The Stranglers, Nicky Tesco, Nik Turner 10. Bring on the Nubiles - Richard Jobson, Wilko Johnson, The Stranglers 11. Peaches - Ian Dury, Wilko Johnson, Davey Payne, The Stranglers, Toyah Wilcox 12. Bear Cage - Ian Dury, Mathieu Hartley, Wilko Johnson, Davey Payne, The Stranglers, 13. Duchess - The Stranglers, Toyah Wilcox 14. No More Heroes - Richard Jobson, The Stranglers 15. Five Minutes - Richard Jobson, The Stranglers, Larry Wallis 16. Something Better Change - Steve Hillage, The Stranglers, Toyah Wilcox 17. Down in the Sewer - Jake Burns, Jake Burns & The Big Wheel, Phil Daniels, Ian Dury, Robert Fripp, Basil Gabbidon, Peter Hammill, The Stranglers

Just reminded myself that the late great Ian Drury, although dubbed 'punk pub rock' originally, continued the traditions of the British musical hall into pop and rock, very much as Genesis and many other prog bands did. He and his co-writer, were also heaviliy influenced by jazz: Sex & Drugs & Rock'n'Roll, has a bass riff directly lifted from an Ornette Coleman tune.

Further. Chris Spedding, from being in a seminal jazz rock group Nucleus, formed Sharks (rock blues with a West Indian feel) with Andy Frazer (ex. Free), is found on Roy Harper's progressist album HQ (having replaced Dave Gilmour - Bill Bruford is there too) and then his session work took him to work with the Sex Pistols. It's claimed the first single by that band released, in fact has an opening riff invented by Spedding. Spedding was attracted by punk to the extend he worked with the Vibrators and had a few hits himself, e.g Get Outta My Pagoda.

XTC appeared on the back on punk (Making Plans For Nigel was a major punk hit in the UK), and look at the praise they get on this site. The Police also appeared with the rise of punk, and look at their roots: Soft Machine, Curved Air and a NE English touring jazz  rock group - they evolved regatta d'blanc (aka 'blue eyed reggae') at the height of punk, a form of which Rush experimental with after Police folded.

And check out who is supporting John Lydon on post-punk PIL's Compact Disc.