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The T

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 11:44

For these people, being "liberal" is not having a set of beliefs but just a tag they can wear

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 11:47

being from the USA myself I know what you mean. I just told Friede that people in the USA feel liberal when they say "F*** the politicians"

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 11:51

^You couldn't have said it better Clap

. And then ask them to give you one proper idea and they will just repeat "f**k the politicians"

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 11:53

BaldFriede wrote:

Blacksword wrote:

TRIGGER WARNING!! - MAY UPSET THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN DOG TRAINED TO BE OVER SENSITIVE.

Recently I watched students surround a respected professor at Yale demanding an apology from him for endorsing Halloween, and suggesting that those offended by some peoples costumes should merely turn away.

The professor calmly tried to explain his position which was essentially based in inclusivity, but this induced what can only be described as a hysterical screaming panic attack in one intense young woman, whose words of venomous condemnation evoked a round of "jazz hands" applause from the zombified crowd. Just to be clear "jazz hands" is basically clicking ones fingers instead of clapping to show appreciation, so as not to induce anxiety in others...

This is just one example of the weird and darkly ironic authoritarian behaviour of the new cult of modern liberalism being installed and encouraged in the young.

Does anyone else think there is something unsavoury and dubious going on, and that the world is essentially going mad??

Maybe I am dumb, but I don't see any liberalism in this, neither genuine nor faux. Confused

No your not dumb at all. They are not liberals at all. Their outlook is authoritarian which is the opposite. I expect THEY regard temselves as liberal. They are part of whats wrong with the world right now. IMO.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 11:58

That also happens when your universities stop being centers for discussion and thinking and become expensive hotels with a sports team attached to them.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:03

whats differs from liberal and libertarian?

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:06

Libertarians will say that freedom is absence of any restrictions and regulations thus leaving all outcomes to the free market.

Liberals in the US sense will want the government to address the bad social outcomes of capitalism.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:08

Icarium wrote:

whats differs from liberal and libertarian?

Technically no difference I guess.

In reality I guess the difference is libertarians want everything run by the free market, while liberals want some government control to mitigate what they beieve would be the negative impact of a free market running everything. Then there are pereipheral differences lke opposition to guns which seems the 'liberal' position, but not often the libertarain position.

I think..

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:19

Just a thought: What if all these seemingly dumb kids are only pretending to be offended by everything because they're getting PAID by the evil Zionists who own the media to get all sensible opinions censored and pave way for a New World ORdeR?! Shocked

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:19

one is a basterd son of the other right how are the political opinion on toll road paymentinmUS or UK

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:20

U.s. politics, ridiculous. The politicians lie, the media distorts and it all just revolves around bullsh*t. Jeb Bush would if given the opportunity to go back in time would kill baby Hitler. That is real nice Jeb but what we need to really know beforehand is if you are elected president what kind of double dealing, underhanded bullsh*t will you bring to the table. Hard as an American to be well informed when most all of government dealings are lies and smoke and mirrors.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:24

Blacksword wrote:

Icarium wrote:

whats differs from liberal and libertarian?

That is the way it is used today, but originally the word libertarian was more synonymous with socialism. IIRC, the word was coined by a French anarcho-communist.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:30

The students in the OP's post need to be told in no uncertain terms:

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:33

The modern left only exists because of freedom of speech, freedom of association, and other related Western ideals. This is why they want to abolish those rights.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:34

timothy leary wrote:

U.s. politics, ridiculous. The politicians lie, the media distorts and it all just revolves around bullsh*t. Jeb Bush would if given the opportunity to go back in time would kill baby Hitler. That is real nice Jeb but what we need to really know beforehand is if you are elected president what kind of double dealing, underhanded bullsh*t will you bring to the table. Hard as an American to be well informed when most all of government dealings are lies and smoke and mirrors.

Jeb is polling at like 5%, you have nothing to worry about

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 16:35

I read an interesting article on this event in The Atlantic called The New Intolerance of Student Activism. It talks about society developing the notion that disagreement is tantamount to disrespect. The students did not get the immediate satisfaction and subsequent shaming of a faculty member, so they allowed emotion to dictate their behavior. It's sad that liberal values are being muddled by so called "social justice warriors" who believe blowing things out of proportion and trying to shame individuals with different values is a proper way to conduct themselves.

This is the article if a anyone's interested

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new-intolerance-of-student-activism-at-yale/414810/

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 16:50

The creepy cult of modern faux liberalism? As opposed to the sanguine sect of modern pseudo-conservatives? Those that would even bash Ronald Reagan as a godless lefty?

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 18:09

The Dark Elf wrote:

The creepy cult of modern faux liberalism? As opposed to the sanguine sect of modern pseudo-conservatives? Those that would even bash Ronald Reagan as a godless lefty?

Those who clap rabidly when a GOP candidate says he would fire IRS agents if he was president? This who don't give a single f**k about people? Yes. Faux liberals are annoying as hell but disgusting pseudo-conservative are way worse.

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 18:43

The T wrote:

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The creepy cult of modern faux liberalism? As opposed to the sanguine sect of modern pseudo-conservatives? Those that would even bash Ronald Reagan as a godless lefty?

Actually, Teo, the problem with the U.S. at present is there is an embarrassingly asinine left and an grossly ignorant right, and no one supporting those in the middle, like myself, who have liberal views regarding women's right and the environment, and also believe in fiscal responsibility (fiscal responsibility not equaling failed trickle-down economics and tax cuts for corporations and the ultra-rich in this case).

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Posted: November 10 2015 at 18:45

actually, I've gotten to the stage in life where just about everyone, right, left, or center, is pissing me off. Common sense seems to have left the building entirely.

The new thing that really freaks me out is teachers having to give warnings when a subject might be a "trigger" for a student who has had trauma in their life that could be triggered by that subject. Which means anyone on any subject, so apparently professors can't teach any subject without tiptoeing around it.

I do agree that the right is worse, but I'm finding the left increasingly hard to live with as well.

Edited by emigre80 - November 10 2015 at 18:46