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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 03:10
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

And you didn't read the racist comment I received which made me also write a very awful response. Those two have been deleted. 
Your response was understandable when faced with such unacceptable provocation. 

Fortunately we see very little racism here and it is always swiftly dealt with, but that was by far the worse I can recall ever reading on this forum. While I deplore hate in all forms, I have nothing but contempt for racists.
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^Yes Dean, thanks for the understanding. And yes, I've never seen that level of extremism here in PA. Sadly tying it to the current events, that is the kind of racism that will prompt attacks on refugees and foreigners who have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^Yes Dean, thanks for the understanding. And yes, I've never seen that level of extremism here in PA. Sadly tying it to the current events, that is the kind of racism that will prompt attacks on refugees and foreigners who have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. 
The only negative about having posts removed is that is does interrupt the flow of the discussion and where it can possibly lead to.
 
As was case for us yesterday, where I had no idea of any racists remarks having been made to you, aside from the usual snarky innuendos. That does not mean that I should act differently toward you, but the truth is that we do react to acts of racism and do act differently to those that are victimized.
 
At least some of do. There are people better than me that are always consistent with their empathy, but I'm not one of them. I would like be like them and I try to be like them. At least I get it right most of the time.
 
I can see that you are truly a decent, caring and concerned person T and I wish the you the best.
 
And I'm glad we're both on the same side of fence, in the most important areas.
 
Until next time.
 
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 10:21
I wish you all the best too RayRo thanks for your words.  

In the aftermath of tragic events, all extremists (of all colors and creeds) are coming out of the woods. The level of idiocy I've read in places like Twitter or other social networks is just unbelievable. And even worse when it comes from people with large audiences. 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I wish you all the best too RayRo thanks for your words.  

In the aftermath of tragic events, all extremists (of all colors and creeds) are coming out of the woods. The level of idiocy I've read in places like Twitter or other social networks is just unbelievable. And even worse when it comes from people with large audiences. 

Thank you T. It is certainly a depressing day on social media and I feel pretty low right now. The hate machine just never seems to stop! Sheesh!
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Well it's been a long and painful conversation, glad we stuck it out.   Looks like some of the xenophobia here on the site has been largely exposed and exorcised, at least for now.
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For some stupid naive (maybe snob) reason I always thought it woild be very difficult to find a racist extremist prog rock fan. You know, all flower power and sh*t. 

Idiotic me. 
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"xenophobia"  Just another liberal buzzword!


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OK let's use the less "liberal" word: racism. 

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Originally posted by garfunkel garfunkel wrote:

"xenophobia"  Just another liberal buzzword!

Not to ignite a fresh fire, but have you perchance missed out on the earlier discussion (not that you missed anything really worth the while)?  The X word was fully applicable to some of those comments.  Colin did a nice job demonstrating to one and all that extreme conservatism beats the daylights of extreme progressivism any time.  A triple bagel, in tennis parlance.
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What's racist about not wanting thousands of migrants into my country? That sounds like common sense to me.

Am I automatically a racist if I'm a straight Christian conservative white American? 
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Points: 65381 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 21:03
It's a fear of losing one's world, and manifests itself as a sort of tribalism, or more accurately culturalism. 
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Originally posted by garfunkel garfunkel wrote:

What's racist about not wanting thousands of migrants into my country? That sounds like common sense to me.

Am I automatically a racist if I'm a straight Christian conservative white American? 

There's a contradiction right there between the first and last sentence.  But I know conservatives don't bother with history other than their own version of it, whether it's American conservatives or our own grand right wing party, the BJP.  
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Originally posted by garfunkel garfunkel wrote:

What's racist about not wanting thousands of migrants into my country? That sounds like common sense to me.

Am I automatically a racist if I'm a straight Christian conservative white American? 
Your sense of identity is so weak you fear any attack to it. 

Yes, you categorize yourself as white as if that was a badge of merit or something you achieved. I think is somewhat racist. 
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Points: 209 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 21:22
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by garfunkel garfunkel wrote:

What's racist about not wanting thousands of migrants into my country? That sounds like common sense to me.

Am I automatically a racist if I'm a straight Christian conservative white American? 
Yes, you categorize yourself as white as if that was a badge of merit or something you achieved. I think is somewhat racist. 
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I didn't include your conservativism and your christianism there because at least partially those are your own decisions (I may not agree with them but whatever). If you feel pride for that, suit yourself. 

But your "race" and your sexual orientation is just what was assigned to you at birth by nature/god/bush, whatever you want to believe. Being "proud" of being white  (or any color) is basically laughable. 
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Points: 1774 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 21:47
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by garfunkel garfunkel wrote:

What's racist about not wanting thousands of migrants into my country? That sounds like common sense to me.

Am I automatically a racist if I'm a straight Christian conservative white American? 
Your sense of identity is so weak you fear any attack to it. 

Yes, you categorize yourself as white as if that was a badge of merit or something you achieved. I think is somewhat racist. 

When did he say it was a badge of merit, he just said he's white. Saying you're white or black doesn't make you racist, all that is is stating your race.


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Originally posted by garfunkel garfunkel wrote:

What's racist about not wanting thousands of migrants into my country? That sounds like common sense to me.

Am I automatically a racist if I'm a straight Christian conservative white American? 
 
No.  The problem comes when you insist on only being surrounded by other straight Christian conservative white Americans, and keeping everyone else out.
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Oh no, put those two sentences together and see how they sound.  "As a white Christian conservative American, I don't want thousands of immigrants in my country."  Without the ideological/ethnic badge of honour,the latter statement would sound merely apprehensive/fearful.  Combined together, it's like to wanting to preserve a certain identity of America that remains predominantly white.
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Points: 2673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2015 at 22:04
Originally posted by garfunkel garfunkel wrote:

What's racist about not wanting thousands of migrants into my country? That sounds like common sense to me.

Am I automatically a racist if I'm a straight Christian conservative white American? 


This does not resonate as common sense to me.

I think that the idea doesn't inherently make you racist, but it would just depend on why you feel this way.
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