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Not to wait until the last minute or anything, but...I just got around to pre-ordering it today, and it will be my first midnight release party for any game/console EVER! 

I might play Skyrim if it had that giant kitty in it.

I am kind of hoping Skyrim is terrible like its predecessors.  Except people will realise this is the case and not keep glorifying such an average series as something it's not.

Just sayin'.

I'm sure fans of other games will do the exact same thing, Henry.

I'm wishing ill on a game, not people.

James, I'm still convinced you never played Morrowind or Oblivion, or if you have you don't like open-ended RPGs, because those two were stellar examples of how to make them.  I find Oblivion to be more fun than any of the Baldur's Gate type games too (though I still enjoy those) and I'm expecting Skyrim to better them all.

Horizons wrote: Oblivion is AMAZING, but Fallout 3 is meh. I like the swords and spells more i guess. Skyrim is going to be GotY

In reality perhaps (though I won't know until I've played it and given it my entirely fanboy-biased opinion), but there are too many ZOMG SHOOTER GAME LOLOLOL gamers out there now, so most likely Fish: Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 will win it.

SaltyJon wrote: Horizons wrote: Oblivion is AMAZING, but Fallout 3 is meh. I like the swords and spells more i guess. Skyrim is going to be GotY In reality perhaps (though I won't know until I've played it and given it my entirely fanboy-biased opinion), but there are too many ZOMG SHOOTER GAME LOLOLOL gamers out there now, so most likely Fish: Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3 will win it.

SaltyJon wrote: James, I'm still convinced you never played Morrowind or Oblivion, or if you have you don't like open-ended RPGs, because those two were stellar examples of how to make them.  I find Oblivion to be more fun than any of the Baldur's Gate type games too (though I still enjoy those) and I'm expecting Skyrim to better them all.

I have played both (not to completion).

Morrowind is ever-so-slightly better than Oblivion.  Graphically it's terrible.  Character interaction is also pretty crap too.  I preferred the feel of the game though and I quite liked getting attacked by ridge riders (or whatever they were called).  I preferred the guild site of it too.  Killing people in Morrowind seemed to have more of a consequence.  There was a lack of an assassins-type guild in Oblivion.

Apart from some loony guy who randomly attacks you, you can walk around the Oblivion world without much happening.

My main gripes are:

1. endless fetch quests
2. endless and meaningless fights (respawning of the same enemies is not fun)
3. the terrible NPC interaction
4. the combat system (both games)
5. level-up system
6. just general open-endedness

I've not played Fallout 3 but what I've seen of it looks much better than Oblivion and I generally prefer D&D settings over futuristic/future-tech ones.

Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment, even Icewind Dale and Neverwinter Nights (which have a lot of faults) are light years ahead and were made 10 years or so before.  I think I may even slightly prefer Arena over Morrowind and Oblivion.

I happen to prefer Isometric games too.


Edited by James - November 09 2011 at 18:20

Henry Plainview wrote: James wrote: I'm wishing ill on a game, not people. But the game being poor affects people! I've never played Oblivion, but even BG1 had better design choices than Oblivion. Everything scaling up with you is the dumbest idea in the history of gaming.

Indeed.  I agree with this.

That is partly why Diablo II annoyed me a bit.  You complete the game once but then you have to play the exact same game again with your existing character, against slightly more difficult opponents.

No, sorry, that's terrible.

At least give me a new story, new maps, new enemies.


Edited by James - November 09 2011 at 18:17

James wrote: Indeed.  I agree with this. That is partly why Diablo II annoyed be a bit.  You complete the game once but then you have to play the exact same game again with your existing character, against slightly more difficult opponents. No, sorry, that's terrible. At least give me a new story, new maps, new enemies.

While Diablo 2 (and all Blizzard games) are grindingly boring for me, that's not a fair comparison because the Diablo campaign is fairly long even without replaying it. The problem with Oblivion is that everything scales up with you level, so a rat can kill you at level 20 and it's actually in your interest to slow down you levelling as much as possible...

And you do get new enemies on the harder difficulties of Diablo. They change color. ;-)