We -need- progressive rap.

Steve Coleman considers rap a genuine, living artform. He even invited some MCs to rap on one of his albums. I loved the result - not least because these were some genuine rappers out there, not 50 cent, Ludacris or whoever.

WHAT ABOUT EMINEM ??

PROGRESSIVE RAP...... OH, MY GOD....

btw if you couldnt tell *and hopefully you did* Alby E= Albert Einstein

heyitsthatguy wrote: btw if you couldnt tell *and hopefully you did* Alby E= Albert Einstein

Of course ...this topic is a joke...right???  A May Day joke perhaps...

Edited by valravennz - April 30 2006 at 21:38

Progressive RAP? No kidding?
It's a foolish idea. I don't want someone to make it true to life.

Progressive Rap?, mmmmm, i don't think the two words would match well, but it would be intresting to see if any artist proves me that i'm wrong

Fragile wrote: This is the stupidest thread ever on here progressive rap; rap, it is an abhorrent noise.

I think it's a very progressive thread.  Haven't heard of a prog rap movement though.. Perhaps including selected rap albums at this site would be too forward-thinking/ progressive a move at this time.

It's not enough that it's progressive rap I would think (old progressive jazz -- that predates progressive rock -- isn't under the prog banner here, is it?), it would have to be rap prog rock fusion.

Rapped lyrics can be used in a prog rock song of course.  Rush, though maybe not exactly/ really prog at the time, has done a little rappin' I seem to remember.

I don't care for the rap I've heard.  What we really need here are prog boy bands like Menudo.


Edited by Logan - May 01 2006 at 18:52

Rust wrote: To have rap you just can't solo with instruments

Steve Coleman and Metrics (I think?), Dakah Hip-Hop Orchestra, Heiruspecs (apologies if I keep repeating myself, but most people are repeating everyone else...)
    

Edited by goose - May 02 2006 at 12:00

       

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Nuke wrote: Umm, someone mentioned a band with 14 minute rap songs a while back. I'll check it out. I have heard two hip-hop Cds, things falling apart by the roots and The low end theory by a tribe called quest. They were both good and proof that "underground rap"      Funny, all who call us close minded talk about one or two real Rap or Hip Hop albums, face it, that's not representative of the genre, that's an exception and probablñy a hybrid.    (just like King crimson is underground prog)   NO KING CRIMSON IS NOT UNDERGROUND PROG, every Proghead in the world knows of have heard about King Crimson so it can't be underground, you go to any chain store (even the most commercial) and you'll foind a King Crinmson colection, so it's not underground.   But not even 1% of the rap fans in the world (Which are hundreed of millions more than Progheads) have ever heard about this mysterious great Progressive rappers.   is good stuff. THe low end theory especially. It is from the heyday of real hip-hop (I use the word real instead of underground from now on) and it is about blending be-bop with rap. I lost it and only heard the CD once, but I remember it being totally mind-opening.   You like it, it's ok, but this is a Progressive Rock forum and essentially the Progressive Rock Lounge, so there's no place for rap here.   I would call it progressive in the sense of the word being an ajective, not a noun, if you know what I mean.   Well, Michael Jackson's videos were progressive as an adjective, probably a lot of mainstream bands are progressive in comparison with most of what's being played in the radios, but this is a PROGRESSIVE ROCK FORUM (AS A GENRE).   The roots one was in odd time sigs, had interesting beats, was live (organic), and unique but powerful. I lost that one too, this is a long story, but I basically lost my entire CD collection. I restored my most important albums illegally, but I forgot a bunch of them. I heard it several times, and the stuff is still in my head, I haven't forgotten how it sounds.   Good for you [IMG>height=17 alt="Thumbs Up" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" width=23 align=absMiddle>    I once heard a really great jazz saxophonist, playing live. He had a fifteen minute long jam. Well, more like he soloed for fifteen minutes. But, it was freaking amazing, he just soared higher and stronger then anyone except coltrane (cut me some slack, because I don't know much saxophonists other then him and coltrane who like to solo for 15+ minutes).   Nobody said anything about Jazz, that'sreal music IMO, even when free jazz went too far sometuimes, but that's only my taste.   The crowd was screaming for an encore, and he pulled out a hiphop song. This was a guy much more talented then your average prog artist.   I wonder why if people insist that musicians from other genres are so much more talented than Progressive Rock artists, they waste their time coming here?   The saxophonist even tried freestyle, but it wasn't very good. The drummer was going all out, just like any progressive or jazz drummer would. The keyboardist in the back was evoking all of this spooky stuff in the back, and he even had a solo. The sax guy turned to the audience and is like "yo, whats tha?, whats tha?". So, it owned mostly. The drummer, by the way, was one of the best I've seen, and was formerly a hip hop drummer.   For what I read they were not playing rap or hip hop, but some other kind of fusion of different genres, the fact that the drummer was once a hip hop musicians says nothing about his skills when playing real music.So, in conclusion, progressive hip hop already exists. Progressive rock hip-hop doesn't, most likely. Hip hop isn't bad at all. In fact, it is one of the best artforms, once you get past your predjudices.   I haven't passed my prejudices, maybe that's why I don't go to hip hop forums to talk about how great Van Der Graff Generator or Echolyn are.    You all talk about how a good singer is important to prog, and rapers are just rappers, right? Rapping is very diffucult, and I could never acheive a timbre like some rappers. I guess I am white though, so it might be some racial thing.   They speak fast, that's all!!!! At least 99.99% of the millions of rappers out there, not talking about those strange real underground rappers.   And no it's not racial, in my country you can find thousand of Peruvian rappers most of them closer to native Peruvian ethnia doing exactly the same thing that all the Gangstas I seen do, and none of them is black.   Please!!!!!! I know I'm not nice sometimes maybe even a basNOTANICEPERSONtard, but I'm here because of Prog Rock.   Iván

I'll be black and you be blue,I suppose. Please don't dissect my posts. It takes everything out of context and misses the big point.
First off, I was being sarcastic when I called KC "underground". Anyone who is actually into rap the same way we are into prog will know those two. As a matter of fact, if you go into a record store, you almost guaranteed to find those albums. More likely then finding a king crimson album (which I have trouble with in chain stores, imo. You are lucky, I have to order mine). The low end theory, apparently, is considered a "classic" the same way rock fans consider Led zepplin IV a classic. Neither album is an exception, except to today's sh*tty gangsta' rap, which has nothing to do with real rap, except as a hyperbole from real rap. Judging Hip-hop from bands like 50-cent is like judging prog from bands like pink floyd. Neither is what the genre is really like. Lets go back a little, okay? So, there is this revolution somewhat like the white punk revolution, but for blacks. So, it is real genuine music, and lots of the classics like low end theory are released. Some guys make a record about crime in the city and stuff, and it sells like mad, so the record companies encourage artists to go that route. All of a sudden, hip hop is the new thing, just like punk. And, just like punk getting compromised by bands like good charloette, rap got compromised by bands like ludacris. So, is good charloette real punk? No, it is a commercial genre. Just like gangsta rap. They are commercial genres, not real genres. People who were with hip hop from the beginning will tell you that what is on the radio now is not what they would consider hip hop. Just like you guys don't consider SOAD prog. The fact is, a few bands sell almost all of the records. So, they sell the majority of records, so you might say that the majority of hip hop is that sh*t. But, if you look in terms of artists, the majority of artists are not like that at all. So, I consider it the mojority of hip hop released is not the sh*t you call hip hop on the radio. This isn't strange or mysterious in any way. As a matter of fact, the sales rank is about the same as in the court of the crimson king. So much for being this great exception that no ones heard of.

About the prog thing. Some people think of prog as a descriptive word. THen some people think of prog as a genre. Radiohead is not really related to the prog genre, but a ton of people call them progressive. Same thing about progressive hip-hop. Some people consider artistic and innovative to be prog rock. If you are that type of person, progressive hip hop exists. If you are a genre type, then it doesn't exist. It falls on the person.

I know what I heard the jazz guy play, and it was definatly hip hop. Hip hop descended from jazz, so don't give me sh*t about how jazz is real music and hip hop isn't. Now, about "the fact that the drummer was once a hip hop musicians says nothing about his skills when playing real music." What I am implying is that he was a talented drummer at jazz, and I assume he was talented at hip-hop, since you don't change skill levels when you switch genres. that means there are talented hip-hop musicians.

Now, please don't stick me with comments like this is a prog forum, and anything else is unwelcome. I didn't start this thread, but since it is about rap, I can talk about rap if I want. And if I insist that artists from other genres like jazz can be better then prog artists, that has no impact on my appreciation of prog. I am a prog head, but I know that that great jazz artists are indeed superior to the great prog artists. I come here because I love prog. Please don't make me unwelcome merely because I like other genres.

I think I covered all bases.