Has the flame finally gone out? |
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Argonaught
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 04 2012 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 1413 |
Posted: November 10 2014 at 17:25 | |
I do occasionally get blown away, but I have also learned to settle for quiet enjoyment of beautiful things. .. drifting along with the gentle flow of the Endless River, even as I type ..
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micky
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 17:18 | |
as well as being ..ahem.. simply being more progressive and bringing in wider styles and influences rather than the same old sh*t man. Crossover has become a catch phrase of sorts for progressive rock which has made the break with the dried up, played out, stylistic norms of 70's prog rock. God bless them.... |
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JD
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
Posted: November 10 2014 at 17:05 | |
Which is a diluted form of Prog? I never really got the 'Crossover' moniker. What are they crossing over to...or from? When you cross over you move from one realm to another thereby leaving the realm you were in. I miss being really swept off my feet by music. Most of the bands that get discussed here as the 'New Wave' of prog (see what I did there) are good and I enjoy many of them. But in all honesty I personally can't say they're groundbreaking. I guess that's my problem, I want to be blown away and it just ain't happening. |
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fudgenuts64
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 17 2013 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 470 |
Posted: November 10 2014 at 16:58 | |
Would like to say Jethro Tull's output was solid throughout the rest of the decade. They started losing it after the collapse of the lineup in 1980. Good stuff here and there since but not consistent. Agreed with the other four however, except the "slippery slope" statement at 1975. Genesis and Tull particularly were keeping up the quality control. Anyway... If you're expecting anything really good from the big five, hate to break it to you but I would argue the flame went out sometime in the 80s... every band has a period of solid output and starts to fall off completely or occasionally put out something decent padded by a bunch of junk (Jethro Tull and Yes)
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Chris S
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 16:56 | |
So much good music out there, so little time......
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 16:49 | |
The flame has only gone out if you are simply one of those prog listeners who refuse to listen to anything after the early 80's, and who clutch onto only a core group of a few artists who haven't been relevant for decades now.
There's too many good modern (and after 80's) artists and albums throughout a variety of different styles offering superb progressive-related music that are carrying on the fine tradition of the genre, and there's still been plenty of enjoyable albums from `the big five' even if they're not challenging or complex anymore in the way that we would like. |
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Catcher10
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 16:27 | |
Another issue for some, could be that some of the newer bands are more crossover than say full prog as in the 70-90s.....They hit a wider sweet spot
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ghost_of_morphy
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
Posted: November 10 2014 at 16:17 | |
ALL of the legacy groups dropped the torch in the '80's. Fortunately there were bands around to pick it back up. And then most of them dropped the a decade or two later and yet other groups picked it up. The real question is how long will progressive rock survive as a genre. Some styles (symphonic would be a good example) are definitely losing the interest of listeners. Others are not yet so anemic. I would not bet on progressive rock lasting forever, although if medical science advances quickly enough you can expect to see Yes at your local casino every two or three years for the rest of your lifetime.
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20609 |
Posted: November 10 2014 at 16:17 | |
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 16:15 | |
Has the flame finally gone out? Not for Magma. I never considered Pink Floyd as part of the big 5. Yes Genesis Gentle Giant King Crimson ELP |
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yuribujuri
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 16:07 | |
Absolutely, and sadly, the flame is gone. Certainly, the "prog genre" is full of live: a lot of bands from a great variety of countries, so many albums with great sound, awesome production and enjoyable live performances. All that is true. BUT... the "flame", the kind of innovative spirit, the gorgeous attitude of the seventies' bands is definitely gone. For a years I am looking for an album that give me a full and kinda spiritual experience like Close to the Edge, Dark Side or Selling England. No way man. The genre is alive but the historical moment with creativity and experimentation on top, with never-listened-music bands is gone for me, and the signal is not necessarily the low-rating albums of the "big 5". Nothing new is coming from the prog bands of our days. Great albums, yes, but nothing deeply stunning like before, IMHO.
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Raff
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 15:53 | |
Indeed! Anyone who was there on Saturday at the Orion Studios in Baltimore was treated to a quartet of incredible bands, each very different from the other, but each one of them flying the flag of modern progressive music without the need to indulge in nostalgia trips. It is up to us to keep that flame burning by supporting the modern scene. |
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SteveG
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 15:47 | |
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lazland
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 15:41 | |
I have never felt so positive about the future of great progressive rock music. 2014 has energised me more than most previous years, and this in nearly 40 years now of listening and buying.
There is some great music out there. There is some great new music out there. Whether we like it, or not, the torch has passed to new generations, and, you know what? They are doing mighty fine, thank you very much. |
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SteveG
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 15:36 | |
^Listened to Winery Dogs today. I know it's not prog but newer bands like this keep me going! And WDs are great!
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Angelo
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 15:34 | |
You decide where your loyalty lies, that's all up to you. Mine lies with good or great (prog and non-prog) musicians, of all ages.
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Catcher10
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 15:32 | |
Everyone knew the Pink Floyd album was gonna be all instrumental, 'cept for one song. Sure I was endlessly waiting for this one to come out, any PF is good. I was not expecting another WYWH, Animals or Ummagumma..simply the continuation of Division Bell sessions and their final output as Pink Floyd. The internet has created too much hype with releases now a days.
As far as some of the other classic progressive rock bands or Big 5...the flame died a long time ago with ELP, Yes, KC, Genesis. I cannot imagine bands like this continuing to produce as they did in the 70's, as we know the relationship issues killed most of these bands and broke them up. Time for the new bands, say 2000s forward, to keep the fire burning. There are oodles of bands out there, but I fear most will not be together for 40yrs as the grandpas have been.....a few albums and they are done, as this wonderful music business world we live in now is not conducive to a long career path, without having to supplement with something else. The last behemoth, Rush, probably has a couple big tours left in them and a few more albums and then they too will retire and or concentrate on smaller projects, hopefully helping newer artists succeed in carrying the torch forward.
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20609 |
Posted: November 10 2014 at 15:30 | |
The Power to Believe is my favorite KC album, but I don't think we're going to hear something like this again, so I thought it was a great swan song from KC and personally I hope it stays that way. But if not, then good for fans looking for something new from them.
Because, I feel it's time to move on. There's a lot of great Prog metal going around now like POS . So the flame is not out. New candles have been lit.
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tboyd1802
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 15:30 | |
I agree, KC is the exception and has successfully bucked the trend. But, as mentioned above KC really isn't a band in the traditional sense but is very much an idiosyncratic entity governed by the whims of one Mr. Fripp. I was fortunate enough to see KC last month in San Francisco. Fantastic show that while featuring music from their classic era, was definitely not a greatest hits tour. Fripp has hinted that in addition to a European leg of the tour there will be a new studio offering. I for one, am looking forward to new music from this version of KC.
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Raff
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Posted: November 10 2014 at 15:14 | |
I believe I may have put it in the wrong way. When I said that many newcomers are not new any longer, I meant that they have been around for quite a long time, but their first efforts were released at a moment when interest in progressive music (unlike today) was very much at a low ebb. As to trying too hard to be progressive, it depends on your personal idea of what progressive rock should be like. If you believe that prog should sound like the Big Five and their Seventies contemporaries, then you may not have a lot of time for those new acts that try to do something different from that template. In my personal opinion, however, this is where the future of the genre lies. |
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