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The T
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 15:17 |
But pedophilia doesn't necessarily have to homosexual, does it?
Obviously nobody supports pedophilia but I neither support treating people with psychological problems as social pariahs if they are acting in their actual behavior as good people without acting on their sadly problematic sexual impulses.
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 15:23 |
I dunno, I guess I'm in the "Can't be too careful" camp. I'm all for giving pedophiles treatment to prevent them from acting on their urges, but I wouldn't have them babysitting.
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BaldJean
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 15:24 |
RayRo wrote:
Well, pedophilia is naturally the default "negative side" of Gay sexuality. While I know that it's used for propaganda by some, I have meet some men who were molested as young boys and these people are emotionally shattered for life. Even a very sexually liberal thinking person like myself can have negative connotations towards it. |
this just goes to show how cultural norms can alter. in ancient Greece pedophilia was quite common. a marriage between a male adult and a girl of about 13 was perhaps not the norm but not uncommon either in many countries not too long ago. Goethe's "Faust" for example is about pedophilia since Gretchen is only 13
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 16:48 |
Atavachron wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Complete reactionary hogwash. You're damn right black lives matter in regards to a white cop shooting a black man. Black-on-black violence? What about it?
This demonstrates an utter misunderstanding of human nature and how things work. Oh and don't be so calm and civil. I can feel your anger, young Jedi, so don't be bothered by or afraid of it. A lot of people have a whole lot of growing up to do, and it is a painful process that I hope all survive. |
Reactionary hogwash? Why, because I think people should take responsibility for their actions, for their lives and for the cultural indifference which leads to looking for mimetic scapegoats rather than accepting the fact that blacks as a proportion of the population account for a majority of the crimes, whether against people of other races or against that of their own? When a delusional group of people march about shrieking "black lives matter" and then set fire to their own neighborhood's businesses, and in effect drive away anyone with the resources and gumption to build the community, they should instead police their neighborhood to ensure their children can get to school without being shot up or raped, should volunteer to tutor school kids to better their grades and prepare them for college (instead of trying to get $15 per hour working at fast -food joints), and should act as surrogate parents because so many sperm donors have ditched their families so that single-parent families are the rule and not the exception. You want black lives to matter? Take responsibility, stop relying on hand outs, quit acting like helpless victims, and demand that your crime-driven youths need to be held accountable for their actions.
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Ah finally, some true colors, and plenty of anger. That's what I like to see. Your position is easy, unoriginal and dated, but at least it's real.
I'll let your post speak for itself as I couldn't do much more damage to you that it does. I mean if you really want to do the 'Oh those nutty black people are at it again with their violence and drugs and "Hey baaaby, you wanna work tonight?" pimpin' and hoein' thing, by all means, continue.
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Your reply is what is unoriginal, and blithely ignores the problem, while maintaining a smugness that doesn't equate to the intellect involved. Much like black leaders, particularly the demagogic variety, who do not point out or concentrate on what will alleviate much suffering and death in the black intercity communities of cities like Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit. Find someone else to put the blame on, remain eternal victims and wards of the welfare state, and turn to crime rather than doing what it takes to succeed: the vicious, self-perpetuating circle which you continually ignore in your pompous pronouncements. Or, like all my friends of color, get a degree, get a job, maintain a family. There are no excuses necessary when hard work is applied.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 17:22 |
Looks like you got how to be black down pat.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 17:34 |
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Looks like you got how to be black down pat. |
I was born in Detroit and have lived in the area for 50+ years. I could recount a litany of experiences that bolster what I have said.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 17:36 |
That won't be necessary
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 17:39 |
timothy leary wrote:
That won't be necessary |
But it's such a heart-warming story!
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 19:50 |
^ Yup, I'm from Detroit ... which pretty much makes me an expert on black folks. "Ax" me anything, I know it all.
Edited by js (Easy Money) - November 12 2015 at 20:26
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 20:26 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
Looks like you got how to be black down pat. |
I was born in Detroit and have lived in the area for 50+ years. I could recount a litany of experiences that bolster what I have said. |
It's no coincidence that the vast majority of left-leaning people live in gentrified neighbourhoods. There used to be a saying, "a liberal is only a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet"
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 20:32 |
Colin, I'm sorry if these scary people have offended you or scared you, maybe if you toughened up a bit and were less sensitive, maybe you would enjoy life more and not have to be afraid.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 20:37 |
poast ur lifts, wimp
no need to take out your low testosterone on everybody else
Edited by Triceratopsoil - November 12 2015 at 20:38
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 20:37 |
Yup, for a few years now been hearing about the "liberal fascism" taking over US universities, and how young liberals are, ironically, feeding into the old forces of suppression and authoritarianism. One author I saw said basically young liberals are doing the work for old fat cat conservatives for them now.
The university thing actually makes sense, I wish I could find the article but I found one that discussed the corporatization of US universities, but then we are shocked when students behave like they are in companies (taking complaints to HR, an overly sterile environment etc etc) basically saying students are simply behaving as the systems built around them would expect. Also noted how conservatives and/or Christian students have refused to do work/read books that upset their views, so I think there is credence to the "corporate university = corporate attitude" thing
As for the general...it seems to me a product of social media. That is where all these weird cult like faux liberals seem to come from. Again, I think it's a product of the system. Social media awards laziness. Easier to moan than act, and it encourages cult like, even mob mentality. Encourages groupthink. The internet and social media, in its freedom, is oddly fascist and cult like.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 20:40 |
I agree Brian, add to this that the most useless doughey underclasses are the ones who sit on their computers all day instead of contributing to society, which is why their loud voices seems over-represented. In reality most people, left or right, can't stand those whiners.
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 20:44 |
Colin: " it's no coincidence that the vast majority of left-leaning people live in gentrified neighbourhoods. There used to be a saying, "a liberal is only a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet"[
QUOTE=js (Easy Money)] Colin, I'm sorry if these scary people have offended you or scared you, maybe if you toughened up a bit and were less sensitive, maybe you would enjoy life more and not have to be afraid.[/QUOTE] You are afraid, aren't you?
Edited by js (Easy Money) - November 12 2015 at 22:44
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 21:06 |
JJLehto wrote:
Yup, for a few years now been hearing about the "liberal fascism" taking over US universities, and how young liberals are, ironically, feeding into the old forces of suppression and authoritarianism. One author I saw said basically young liberals are doing the work for old fat cat conservatives for them now.
The university thing actually makes sense, I wish I could find the article but I found one that discussed the corporatization of US universities, but then we are shocked when students behave like they are in companies (taking complaints to HR, an overly sterile environment etc etc) basically saying students are simply behaving as the systems built around them would expect. Also noted how conservatives and/or Christian students have refused to do work/read books that upset their views, so I think there is credence to the "corporate university = corporate attitude" thing
As for the general...it seems to me a product of social media. That is where all these weird cult like faux liberals seem to come from. Again, I think it's a product of the system. Social media awards laziness. Easier to moan than act, and it encourages cult like, even mob mentality. Encourages groupthink. The internet and social media, in its freedom, is oddly fascist and cult like. |
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't know how universities have become 'corporatized'. But even if we admit that this has occurred, we all (should) know that the point of a university isn't that of a concierge desk so trends which push education in that direction should be derided. And while I don't share the view that we can't blame the students, the most egregious examples in many cases come from certain departments in academia itself. I do agree with the second point with the caveat that social media grants more benefits to grassroots movements than overall negatives.
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 21:14 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
I agree Brian, add to this that the most useless doughey underclasses are the ones who sit on their computers all day instead of contributing to society, which is why their loud voices seems over-represented. In reality most people, left or right, can't stand those whiners.
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 22:11 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Yup, for a few years now been hearing about the "liberal fascism" taking over US universities, and how young liberals are, ironically, feeding into the old forces of suppression and authoritarianism. One author I saw said basically young liberals are doing the work for old fat cat conservatives for them now.
The university thing actually makes sense, I wish I could find the article but I found one that discussed the corporatization of US universities, but then we are shocked when students behave like they are in companies (taking complaints to HR, an overly sterile environment etc etc) basically saying students are simply behaving as the systems built around them would expect. Also noted how conservatives and/or Christian students have refused to do work/read books that upset their views, so I think there is credence to the "corporate university = corporate attitude" thing
As for the general...it seems to me a product of social media. That is where all these weird cult like faux liberals seem to come from. Again, I think it's a product of the system. Social media awards laziness. Easier to moan than act, and it encourages cult like, even mob mentality. Encourages groupthink. The internet and social media, in its freedom, is oddly fascist and cult like. |
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't know how universities have become 'corporatized'. But even if we admit that this has occurred, we all (should) know that the point of a university isn't that of a concierge desk so trends which push education in that direction should be derided. And while I don't share the view that we can't blame the students, the most egregious examples in many cases come from certain departments in academia itself.
I do agree with the second point with the caveat that social media grants more benefits to grassroots movements than overall negatives.
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You would have a better picture of academia of course, but the term as I used it (and is generally meant by those who also use it) is 1: How universities are becoming sterile and homogonized, crackdowns on what professors can teach and even say (of course this could be a catch 22 since it may stem from the students behavior) and the general sense it's becoming more about pushing kids through to the degree over education. And ya know, there's the belief schools are operating more like businesses, with cutting costs and paying "management" more, with more and more levels of management that many academics seem to think useless. Perhaps these latter points are debated but I do believe the sterile claim is very true, and you say it yourself departments themselves have much blame.
No doubt, the internet and social media is not a bad thing, when I said freedom I meant it, and it does indeed provide more power to the grassroots, but with that does come some disturbing mentalities. Not that it causes them, just it provides an outlet.
Edited by JJLehto - November 12 2015 at 22:12
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 22:49 |
JJLehto wrote:
You would have a better picture of academia of course, but the term as I used it (and is generally meant by those who also use it) is 1: How universities are becoming sterile and homogonized, crackdowns on what professors can teach and even say (of course this could be a catch 22 since it may stem from the students behavior) and the general sense it's becoming more about pushing kids through to the degree over education. And ya know, there's the belief schools are operating more like businesses, with cutting costs and paying "management" more, with more and more levels of management that many academics seem to think useless. Perhaps these latter points are debated but I do believe the sterile claim is very true, and you say it yourself departments themselves have much blame.
No doubt, the internet and social media is not a bad thing, when I said freedom I meant it, and it does indeed provide more power to the grassroots, but with that does come some disturbing mentalities. Not that it causes them, just it provides an outlet.
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I was more genuinely asking what was meant by the term that anything. I agree with everything you said more or less (don't think anyone wants to hear me pontificate about education), but the harassment of professors for doing their jobs has been very much a student driven enterprise reinforced by select members of the faculty.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 12 2015 at 23:00 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
^ Complete reactionary hogwash. You're damn right black lives matter in regards to a white cop shooting a black man. Black-on-black violence? What about it?
This demonstrates an utter misunderstanding of human nature and how things work. Oh and don't be so calm and civil. I can feel your anger, young Jedi, so don't be bothered by or afraid of it. A lot of people have a whole lot of growing up to do, and it is a painful process that I hope all survive. | Reactionary hogwash? Why, because I think people should take responsibility for their actions, for their lives and for the cultural indifference which leads to looking for mimetic scapegoats rather than accepting the fact that blacks as a proportion of the population account for a majority of the crimes, whether against people of other races or against that of their own? When a delusional group of people march about shrieking "black lives matter" and then set fire to their own neighborhood's businesses, and in effect drive away anyone with the resources and gumption to build the community, they should instead police their neighborhood to ensure their children can get to school without being shot up or raped, should volunteer to tutor school kids to better their grades and prepare them for college (instead of trying to get $15 per hour working at fast -food joints), and should act as surrogate parents because so many sperm donors have ditched their families so that single-parent families are the rule and not the exception. You want black lives to matter? Take responsibility, stop relying on hand outs, quit acting like helpless victims, and demand that your crime-driven youths need to be held accountable for their actions.
| Ah finally, some true colors, and plenty of anger. That's what I like to see. Your position is easy, unoriginal and dated, but at least it's real.
I'll let your post speak for itself as I couldn't do much more damage to you that it does. I mean if you really want to do the 'Oh those nutty black people are at it again with their violence and drugs and "Hey baaaby, you wanna work tonight?" pimpin' and hoein' thing, by all means, continue. |
Your reply is what is unoriginal, and blithely ignores the problem, while maintaining a smugness that doesn't equate to the intellect involved. Much like black leaders, particularly the demagogic variety, who do not point out or concentrate on what will alleviate much suffering and death in the black intercity communities of cities like Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit. Find someone else to put the blame on, remain eternal victims and wards of the welfare state, and turn to crime rather than doing what it takes to succeed: the vicious, self-perpetuating circle which you continually ignore in your pompous pronouncements. Or, like all my friends of color, get a degree, get a job, maintain a family. There are no excuses necessary when hard work is applied. |
I am absolutely loving this, the whole discussion. It has really brought out some important naked honesty which was lacking but I suspected was just under an otherwise silly campus news story. I'm ashamed to admit I once mildly believed the same, that blacks ~ or whomever was committing violent crimes for that matter ~ was lacking in all sorts of things; responsibility, decent education, hard work, goals & drives. And I'm not going to get into why I believe otherwise because most of what I would point out would be either shot at with statistics or largely ignored. But that's okay. I think the other arguments here against the kind of anemic, underexposed background and ignorance that it causes will suffice.
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