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Something is going terribly wrong here...
 
ZAGUAN have two reviews,one by erik neuteboom and one by a member called symfoneut (I don't know of this is a past username of erik)
 
so,the two reviews are absolutely the same (except for the intoduction) but with a different rating!...check for yourself...
 
 
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thanks, looks like plagiarism to me, I'll wait and see if another admins has a second opinin or further insight on this.

P.S. on second thought it's obvious symfoneut is an earlier incarnation of Erik, I will delete the review.

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Can we accept a review for an album where the reviewer admits he hasn't even listened to the whole thing yet?


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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Can we accept a review for an album where the reviewer admits he hasn't even listened to the whole thing yet?



This one also, perhaps?

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=243472
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ thanks, I'll send him a PM, or maybe he will see it here and fix it.
 
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Can we accept a review for an album where the reviewer admits he hasn't even listened to the whole thing yet?

 
Should we even accept reviews of an un-released album?
 
Oh, I forgot. Yes, we do. That's why whenever we are approaching a high-profile release we have to be reporting these things and admins have to be taking actions about it.
 
It would be so easy to eliminate this problem.... Alas, it will never be done.
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^ agreed T, from now on, if an album is up on the site I'm leaving the reviews. If we don't want the reviews then take the album off, it's just too simple to even think about.

Re Jody's initial report, it seems to me he listened to most of the album. Lot of times (not always) it's easy to get the gist of an album from hearing 80%, it's a grey area, but I think that review should stay unless another admins wants to disagree.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Can we accept a review for an album where the reviewer admits he hasn't even listened to the whole thing yet?


This one also, perhaps?http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=243472



Hey Rob, thanks for the report, but it looks like he listened to a promo copy so that counts. If the album is up on the site then it's fair game to be reviewed.
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Both reviews stated they listened to promo copies,which fits the guidelines.


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ thanks, I'll send him a PM, or maybe he will see it here and fix it.
 
I don't have my memory stick with me today... I'll fix this tomorrowWink
 
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Here's another where the star rating differs from the stated rating.  Perhaps it's an error.
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Here's another where the star rating differs from the stated rating.  Perhaps it's an error.


Thanks Rob, Sealchan is really into math and has a very interesting logorithim (or is that alogorithim, I can't remember anymore, I'm probably mispelling and misusing both) by which he gets his final rating. Being a former math 'whiz' myself I found it kind of interesting, send him a PM and he will be glad to break it down for you.

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Help the victims of the russian invasion:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446
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I totally did not realize that you need to press enter twice to create a new paragraph. My beloved first review is a wall of text!Thumbs Down
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Originally posted by Qboyy007 Qboyy007 wrote:

I totally did not realize that you need to press enter twice to create a new paragraph. My beloved first review is a wall of text!Thumbs Down


Relax.  You can go back and edit it!  Thumbs Up

Just go to the album page, scroll down, click on "Edit your own reviews and ratings" (something like that), and click the icon next to the review you want to edit.  Voila!  There it is, all your lovely work prepared to be corrected!  Smile
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Hmm, there seems to be a lot of grudge and tactical voting (for what, I don't know) with these ratings:
 
 
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Kotro:
I think its pretty extreme, but he hasn't really done anything wrong.

I mean, he's got a vendetta, but unless he claims he's voting so harshly in order to throw the ratings, I don't think he can be caught out.


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^ yeah, that's a close call, but I think Joel got it right. Maybe he's an ex-member of Moonspell that got the boot under dubious circumstances, ha ha.

Please continue further discussions in the reviews discussion thread por favour.

Edit: Dean has offered a different opinion in reviews discussion, so action may be taken after all, thanks for the report.

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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Can we accept a review for an album where the reviewer admits he hasn't even listened to the whole thing yet?

Even if you legally have a promo copy, I think you have to listen to the whole thing.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Can we accept a review for an album where the reviewer admits he hasn't even listened to the whole thing yet?

Even if you legally have a promo copy, I think you have to listen to the whole thing.
 
I agree with Jody about the guy having a promo, that's OK.
 
But I agree with Henry about allowing a guy who admits not having listened the whole album posting a review...As a fact, he claims that he hasn't heard all the album but later claims having heard the first 9 tracks.....He hasn't even heard Disk 1 complete
 
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http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=9628


All that glisters is not gold.

And with that obscure statement, I turn your attention to "Lightbulb Sun", which has a fabulous production which is almost tangible, producing an album which is, overall, inoffensive - I would use the word "nice" - but not very original musically and difficult to perceive as prog. To quantify that last statement, the songs are generally in the traditional Intro, Verse-Chorus-Verse-Chorus-Bridge-Verse-Chorus format, and do not deviate far from that safety net on the whole, there is nothing new here in terms of song writing or arrangement that you wouldn't hear on "Revolver" and the overall effect is of a pop/rock album of which any track would fit in well on any FM Rock station.

Since many reviewers have taken a track-by-track approach, I will follow suit;

The title track sounds like something from Marillion's "Anoraknaphobia", with flat, uninteresting melodies and a surprisingly unstructured guitar solo that comes across as "intentional bluff". The bass lines are very Pete Trewavas, and the vocals are almost unmistakably h, although somewhat less precious, underlining the Marillion link. It's unremarkable, but nice.

"How is Your LIfe Today?" is in 3/4, but is still just a nice pop/rock song.

"Four Chords That Made A Million", of course, did not live up to the title, and is derivative of 80's indie band the Cult but with vocals that sound like Matt Bellamy from Muse. Basic 4/4 rock with a time change around 2:30 for the bridge.

"Shesmovedon" has an interesting title and is nice overall; The basic E-G riff that is used throughout is the one exception, as that is poorly executed with vertical issues (in the harmony) that cause it to sound muddy. The production is particularly noticeable, as this song as a nice, fat sound, which enhances the BJH style vocal harmonies. The 1st guitar solo is very rough and spoils it a bit, but we do get some proggy textures in the "burn-out" section at the end, albeit with a noodly and directionless 2nd guitar solo.

"Last Chance to Exit Planet Earth" has a great opportunity to do something progressive, with its Roy Harper influenced intro and fretless bass work that puts me in mind of Camel, or "Wherever I Lay My Hat" by Paul Young. The vocal harmonies are interestingly like Crosby Stills and Nash and there is a guitar sample that sounds like it was directly lifted from "Revolver". There are some interesting textural experiments, but layering textures is not a progressive way of writing music - that's been done since the 1960s! This is the most interesting track, IMO.

"The Rest Will Flow" is a nice, gentle MOR song, repetitive but tranquil. The melody lines are the real let-down, as there is no discernable answering phrasing, just repeated lines which serve no dramatic purpose. There is some orchestration, but it is over-produced and somewhat syrupy for my taste.

"Hatesong" is an 8 and a half minuter - hopefully we will find some prog here. Well, only if you consider "Anoraknaphobia" to be a prog album. The breakbeat could have been lifted from any one of a vast number of sample CDs, and is somewhat dull, but I like the bass intro (as a bassist!). The spacey guitar effects and vocals are very Radiohead, and were obviously inspired by "OK Computer" - a far more progressive album than this. Even the vocals sound a little like Thom Yorke. The two stops are a bit irritating as they break the flow, although the heavy Zeppelin-like riff is very welcome. The solos again are directionless, and the song feels about 2-3 minutes too long, especially with that long fadeout. Nice, though.

"Where Would We Be" is an unadventurous pop/rock song, rather dirge-like and directionless. The abrupt and unnecessary guitar solo spoils any ambience this song might otherwise have had. The urge to hit skip is quite strong here...

But I wanted to experience the whole album, and the 13 or so minute track which looms ahead is now daunting, rather than tantalising as it was when I began listening;

"Russia On Ice" has a great intro - superb ambient floaty textures with lots of reverb, reminding me a little of Steve Hillage's "Rainbow Dome Musick". I wish it hadn't, because the light cymbals and guitar soon intrude into the ambience after just a minute. The Pink Floyd riff, straight off the "Animals" album is well executed, but the vocals are pure h. There is a constant stop-start approach taken in this track to get to new ideas, which becomes a little wearying - especially the sudden jump to a major key BJH style, and the piece takes on the form of a patchwork quilt of ideas (many very good and interesting, but none original or consistent) which do not develop or progress in any way.

I couldn't bring myself to listen to the last track, as I'm sure I would have found myself making similar observations.

All in all, despite my focus on the negative (which is what jumps out at me when I put the music under the microscope), a nice pop/rock album, perfect for doing the dishes to - but I wouldn't give it my undivided attention!

Three Stars, and I'm being generous.


Can this be accepted? He admits not having listened to the last track, and therefore, hasn't listened to the entire album...
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