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HolyMoly

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Posted: October 15 2013 at 13:00

Now that's brainstorming. Thumbs Up

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Posted: October 15 2013 at 13:31

Once all the suggestive albums are covered up (better get on the Flarick records BTW), will we be tackling offensive band names next?

Smegma

Miranda Sex Garden

Sperm

Naked

10CC

Pussy

Suffocate for f**k Sake

3 Legged Monster

Cannabis India

Sixty-Nine

You Slut!

Master Musicians of Bukkake

Nice Beaver

Hazards of Swimming Naked

Steely Dan

Fukkeduk

Twink

Back Door

Extra Ball

Then, what about names that advocate violence or anti-authoritarian themes?

Car Bomb

Burn Down Rome

To Destroy A City

Conspiracy

The Decemberists

Control Denied

Kill For Total Peace

Cry Freedom

And Google help these impressionable young comsumers if they manage to get past the titillating images and actually listen to some of the subversive music advocated here.

"Peace is the only battle worth waging."

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Posted: October 15 2013 at 15:58

^That’s what I fear, Bob.

But to be a bit more constructive: M@x has a hell of a job here. Maybe it would be better to replace all these "offensive" covers with a gray square with the words, "NO PICTURE AVAILABLE" (or something to the same effect). That way M@x won’t have to pixilate (and thus destroy) the artwork, and people can google the albums to see the uncensored covers.

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I say nothing is nothing
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Posted: October 15 2013 at 16:46

^ M@X (or was it Dean?) said that pixelation of some album covers is only a temporary solution. A long term solution will be that album covers will only be visible when logged in, or something to that effect.

Edited by The Bearded Bard - October 15 2013 at 16:50

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Posted: October 16 2013 at 06:13

^ Once covers will be "pixelized", then we'll have to restore them.

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Dean

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Posted: October 16 2013 at 06:17

...and?

What?

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Posted: October 16 2013 at 06:36

^ Only a double work.

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Dean

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Posted: October 16 2013 at 06:56

...okay, we leave them pixelized then.

What?

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Posted: October 16 2013 at 07:21

http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/ga-alternatives/

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Posted: October 16 2013 at 12:02

Dean wrote:

The site costs money to run. Visitors to the site currently consume 4TB of data a month - that is a huge bandwidth that has to be paid for. Add to that the cost of the maintenance and storage and leasing.

Reminds me of a line from Clerks, to paraphrase: this would be a great site if it weren't for the visitors.

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 07:06

Dean wrote:

chopper wrote:

Just in case nobody's mentioned it before, if you search on Roxy Music from the PA home page, you get the non-censored version of the Country Life cover (albeit very small) on the results page.

I know I am going to regret posting this because it will only confuse things even more...

The search on the PA Home page is powered by Google - it is the same search you get if you go to www.google.com and type:

site:www.progarchives.com country life

into Google's search box, and it gives you exactly the same results.

Now, Google searches are not done on our live website, they are done on cached pages stored on the Google server, so they are searching older versions of the pages, made before Max blurred the images, which is why they show uncensored versions of those album.

Google Search and Google AdSense are not the same.

Perfectly explained Dean. I just wanted to point it out in case it caused us any trouble.

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 09:09

I'm only discivering this issue now... (scanned a few pages of this discussion

Sorry to chime in so late in the (5 days old) debate

Unless we charge for usage (yeah, right, like that's gonna work) or find a sponsor (not a good idea) then Google Ads are the only viable way of paying for it. So yes, threat of withdrawal of adverts is very serious and very valid. The violation warning notice Max received from Goolge AdSense is very real. If we lose Google Ads we lose the site - plain as.

Personally, I think Google Ads are over reacting and Max is being over-cautious, we need to balance the need for complying with Google's Terms and Conditions and being sensible about it.

Are there any alternatives to Google adds???... I know Google is pretty hard to avoid nowadays, but how did we manage before Google was such an inevitable giant??

M@X wrote:

Good morning guys,

I've seen a couple of new avatar (smartpatrol), problably in protestation and I understand , but i've been thinking about this and if we succeed in implementing something non-intrusive for covert art in the discography section, but we still show AVATAR next to reviews in album pages and collaborator page, we are not going in the right direction for avatar that are "non Google AdSense approved" .

So this left me 2 choices:

- We accept only 'approved' avatar, signature you can put whatever you want , as you as it respectable

- We remove all the places on the discography part that show avatar next to review

Any thoughts ? Ermm

Salut M@X,

long time no read

(it's my fault >> too busy )

Not that I'm very concerned about this issue (never had an avatar in PA and my sig has been empty for about a year), but unless you go to the review's permalink, you don't see the reviewer's avatar next to the reviews... and (unless I'm mistaken) the signature is only visible in the forum, therefore not linked to the reviews or database...

So yeah, I can understand that some might want their avatar next to their reviews (but it's only applicable to permalinks anyway), so it seems that from my (slanted) PoV, if avatars are not internally censored, they can be suppressed from the reviews, database etc...

And for the avatars of the collabs in the collab page, well, xould it be unreasonable to ask that Admins, SC, PR and such have politically correct avatars(as much as I can be against pilitical correctness and censorship, Idon't find this to be a maor issue.... at least not nearly as much as the album artworks being vandalized.

my 0.02p

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 09:10

This website needs more dongs

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 11:01

Trust me, we already have an ample sufficiency of those.

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 11:25

I don't know why people complain, this was caused by some of us.

I remember that M@X was very excited with "The Album of the Month"

A section created to search for alternative financing of the site, to free us from Google, some bands bought space in Prog Archives, and we promoted the album for a month and a cost.

First came Thorman Maxt, everybody complained that the album is crap and that we shouldn't sell ourselves.

Then M@X searched for a new band called Deluge Grandeur that was excellent (If I'm not wrong about the band) and people started to complain about Prog Archives promoting an ugly "retro Prog" album, some members said we shouldn't accept those albums to promote, that M@X should search for really prog albums.

After that, it all went to hell, I had at least two bands interested in being promoted for a payment, but after reading all the complains they thought that "The album of the Month" was negative advertising and told us to forget, because they wouldn't pay to be insulted by our members.

So we don't like to be censored (I don't like that either), but some of us don't like alternative solutions.

This is imposed by Google, if we want ProgArchives open, we have to accept,

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 11:42

NotAProghead wrote:

^ Only a double work.

C'mon, Eugene, we can manage!

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 11:53

When I go onto a new webpage from PA, around half of the time Google Ads shows a male targeted gaming site (won't name it just in case) where you play as half naked girls! It is by far more sexually oriented than anything you would get on PA (except that Roxy Music cover...) Double standards Google, double standards

tszirmay

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 14:12

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I don't know why people complain, this was caused by some of us.

I remember that M@X was very excited with "The Album of the Month"

A section created to search for alternative financing of the site, to free us from Google, some bands bought space in Prog Archives, and we promoted the album for a month and a cost.

First came Thorman Maxt, everybody complained that the album is crap and that we shouldn't sell ourselves.

So we don't like to be censored (I don't like that either), but some of us don't like alternative solutions.

This is imposed by Google, if we want ProgArchives open, we have to accept,

You are right,Ivan. My avatar will stay in acceptance, fine.........moving on......

I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.

Tom Ozric

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 14:22

What's wrong with the cover of 'Country Life' ?? Their 'parts' are covered anyway, and they're really not that 'hot' either. In all honesty, I don't and can't understand what's so offensive about these sorts of covers ??
Take a look at the cover to Wallenstein's 'No More Love' album - now that's more offensive to me....

Edited by Tom Ozric - October 17 2013 at 14:23

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Posted: October 17 2013 at 16:17

Tom Ozric wrote:

What's wrong with the cover of 'Country Life' ?? Their 'parts' are covered anyway, and they're really not that 'hot' either.

I think the one on the right looks like a dude.